Phillipine leader terminates troop agreement with U.S.

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: [post=24937731]Gravelbone[/post

There would be No Nation of the Phillipines Today if it were not for Americans Laying Down their Lives in Order to Liberate them from the Japanese Imperial Army in 1945 . I am Sure the Phillipine People Know this Well , but it Seems their Politicians have Long Term Memory Loss . Lets see how Well they Defend their Islands from the Chinese when the time comes Without the Help of U.S. Armed Forces .................

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The history of the phillipeans and the US is far more complex than WW2... If the Philippines wants sovereignty then give it to them.

Duterte said he wants to pursue an independent foreign policy that seeks to be friends with China. He may already be working out a island agreement with China if all u.s. military leaves.

a reply to: blueman12

Democrats said get rid of Duterte or we won't help you or sell you weapons. What else did hey expect to happen?

a reply to: blueman12

they already have sovereignty, this agreement is about legal jurisdiction of American soldiers when visiting the country and allowing ships and aircraft freedom of movement through the country, the US isn't occupying the philippines nor do we have bases there or anything like that, we've had good relations for many years now and the peoples of both nations view eachother positively.
duerte just threw out all of the goodwill between us for no good reason and is making excuses, clearly he is a puppet of russia and china and has been waiting for an excuse to throw us under the bus.

this isn't about opposition to imperialism, it's about abandoning their alliance with America, destroying our close relations to kiss ass with our rivals and potential future enemies, and screwing us over in the region for no good reason. it's only a matter of time before he trashes other agreements between our countries.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

Eastern Europe frocking love us, and are begging us to build based there for the money and the added protection.

If a country doesn't want us *shrugs* duerte got paid now watch China slowly snip hits of the Philippines away.

a reply to: Gravelbone

Do you think this has anything to do with the Corona Virus or something more sinister, like they're all gearing up for War.... And they are showing they're going to be on China and Russia side? Just throwing that out there.

a reply to: namehere

Hmm.. it's probable china is asking him to kick out the Americans in return for favors. You're right, it is probably not for imperialism.

I wonder how this will effect future filipino-american relations with so many coming over to the u.s. on work visas.

a reply to: Zanti Misfit

Just because allied forces drove the Japanese out doesn't mean we can occupy their nation into perpetuity. After all, we did take control of the Philippines from the Spanish and did kill thousands of Philippines to retain control of that island nation. What do you think Douglas MacArthur was doing there? He was the military magistrate there at the outset of WW2.

originally posted by: CharlesT
a reply to: Zanti Misfit

Just because allied forces drove the Japanese out doesn't mean we can occupy their nation into perpetuity. After all, we did take control of the Philippines from the Spanish and did kill thousands of Philippines to retain control of that island nation. What do you think Douglas MacArthur was doing there? He was the military magistrate there at the outset of WW2.

the US is by no means occupying the country. in fact the only thing that even comes close to a military base, is the US embassy.

a reply to: DiddyC

Interesting angle.
Personally, I can't see how that would be a major part of this decision, as they'd be the least prepared of countries listed in your scenario to deal with the fallout from such an act.
China would do little to protect them in the event of armed conflict as they're just a pawn.
The idea of Russia and China being that cozy is convenient on the outside.
But, seeing as how they're vastly different cultures sharing a large border; one country on the slow downward spiral, the other one stagnating on thier upward. China would invade Russia in a heartbeat if it weren't for nuclear deterrent. They need space and natural resources.
Two things which Mother Russia has aplenty.
Politics makes for strange bedfellows, but I'm not sure this is the orgy we're looking for.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

It doesn't matter the reasons why. which I read in much the same way you do...mostly.

But the fact remains, if the duly elected, however corrupt, govt tells us to go. We pack up, and we go.

I don't believe this, or it is way over blown. The President there is not in bed with China, but has taken a Draconian approach to drugs and corruption that drifts into breaking international humanitarian laws, so there is that, but right now we have rather large bilateral military security activities that are doing a lot of good for PI, so I don't see that changing anytime soon.

a reply to: seagull

i'd agree if we were actually there as an occupying force but we already left in 1992, any US military presence is very limited and by invitation only. this is basically duerte abandoning his own people and handing the country over to china, screwing over his own country and global shipping, this isn't just about the philippines and will likely hurt our economy and significantly alter our relationship negatively. this isn't something small that can just be waved off like it's nothing important, like a personal choice of what shirt to put on today.

Who cares? If Duterte and his supporters want to be ruled by China, so be it. It’s a permanent Third-World mess of a country, albeit in a very strategic location for military ops against China. We should never remain where we’re not wanted.

originally posted by: namehere
a reply to: seagull

i'd agree if we were actually there as an occupying force but we already left in 1992, any US military presence is very limited and by invitation only. this is basically duerte abandoning his own people and handing the country over to china, screwing over his own country and global shipping, this isn't just about the philippines and will likely hurt our economy and significantly alter our relationship negatively. this isn't something small that can just be waved off like it's nothing important, like a personal choice of what shirt to put on today.

I’m not so sure it’ll hurt us economically. They have the 36th largest GDP in the world and their per capita GDP is either the 112th largest (nominal) or the 125th (purchasing power parity). They’re not among our Top 30 trading partners, but we’re their second leading export customer. Technically, we’re the Philippines’ leading export customer, with Hong Kong, Japan and China all close behind. But I can’t help but think of Hong Kong as a de facto part of the Chinese economy.

Just take your military out of their country. Why is that so hard?

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: [post=24937731]Gravelbone[/post

There would be No Nation of the Phillipines Today if it were not for Americans Laying Down their Lives in Order to Liberate them from the Japanese Imperial Army in 1945 . I am Sure the Phillipine People Know this Well , but it Seems their Politicians have Long Term Memory Loss . Lets see how Well they Defend their Islands from the Chinese when the time comes Without the Help of U.S. Armed Forces .................

Of course, it was all the Americans. There were no Filipinos, New Guineans, New Zealanders or Australians there at all (although, to be fair, the Aussie Army played almost no part at all).

Yes, it could have been a different outcome without the US, but there were significant other forces involved.

Also, do you think that the US forces that have practically occupied quite large bases in Indonesia, since the Pacific campaign, have been good to the Philipines?

originally posted by: generik

originally posted by: CharlesT
a reply to: Zanti Misfit

Just because allied forces drove the Japanese out doesn't mean we can occupy their nation into perpetuity. After all, we did take control of the Philippines from the Spanish and did kill thousands of Philippines to retain control of that island nation. What do you think Douglas MacArthur was doing there? He was the military magistrate there at the outset of WW2.

the US is by no means occupying the country. in fact the only thing that even comes close to a military base, is the US embassy.

Except for:

Clark Air Force Base
Crow Valley Range Complex
John Hay Air Station
U.S. Naval Radio Facility Bagobantay
Mount Santa Rita Naval Link Station
Naval Air Station Cubi Point
U.S. Naval Hospital, Subic Bay
Naval Station Sangley Point
Naval Station San Miguel
U.S. Naval Base Subic Bay
U.S. Naval Radio Station, Tarlac
Bayug Airfield
Cesar Basa Air Base
Daniel Z. Romualdez Airport
Dolores Airport
Dulag Airfield
Guiuan Airfield
Laoag International Airport
Lingayen Airport
Mangaldan Airfield
Porac Airfield
San Jose Airport (Mindoro)
San Marcelino Airfield
Sanga-Sanga Airport
Tanauan Airfield
Zamboanga International Airport
Cavite Navy Yard
Fort Hughes
San Miguel Naval Communications Station

originally posted by: chr0naut

Of course, it was all the Americans. There were no Filipinos, New Guineans, New Zealanders or Australians there at all (although, to be fair, the Aussie Army played almost no part at all).

Yes, it could have been a different outcome without the US, but there were significant other forces involved.

Also, do you think that the US forces that have practically occupied quite large bases in Indonesia, since the Pacific campaign, have been good to the Philipines?

I don't think New Zealand fought in the PI... just saying lol

Name a US base in Indonesia...

originally posted by: chr0naut

Except for:

Clark Air Force Base
Crow Valley Range Complex
John Hay Air Station
U.S. Naval Radio Facility Bagobantay
Mount Santa Rita Naval Link Station
Naval Air Station Cubi Point
U.S. Naval Hospital, Subic Bay
Naval Station Sangley Point
Naval Station San Miguel
U.S. Naval Base Subic Bay
U.S. Naval Radio Station, Tarlac
Bayug Airfield
Cesar Basa Air Base
Daniel Z. Romualdez Airport
Dolores Airport
Dulag Airfield
Guiuan Airfield
Laoag International Airport
Lingayen Airport
Mangaldan Airfield
Porac Airfield
San Jose Airport (Mindoro)
San Marcelino Airfield
Sanga-Sanga Airport
Tanauan Airfield
Zamboanga International Airport
Cavite Navy Yard
Fort Hughes
San Miguel Naval Communications Station

None are active today, I guess you didn't get the memo. Plus all that land was given to the US for freeing the PI in WWII, then Carter gave it back on a lease and when the lease ran out we left.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: chr0naut

Except for:

Clark Air Force Base
Crow Valley Range Complex
John Hay Air Station
U.S. Naval Radio Facility Bagobantay
Mount Santa Rita Naval Link Station
Naval Air Station Cubi Point
U.S. Naval Hospital, Subic Bay
Naval Station Sangley Point
Naval Station San Miguel
U.S. Naval Base Subic Bay
U.S. Naval Radio Station, Tarlac
Bayug Airfield
Cesar Basa Air Base
Daniel Z. Romualdez Airport
Dolores Airport
Dulag Airfield
Guiuan Airfield
Laoag International Airport
Lingayen Airport
Mangaldan Airfield
Porac Airfield
San Jose Airport (Mindoro)
San Marcelino Airfield
Sanga-Sanga Airport
Tanauan Airfield
Zamboanga International Airport
Cavite Navy Yard
Fort Hughes
San Miguel Naval Communications Station

None are active today, I guess you didn't get the memo. Plus all that land was given to the US for freeing the PI in WWII, then Carter gave it back on a lease and when the lease ran out we left.

All those listed are still active with US military staff present. While it is true that there was withdrawal in 1991, there was the Visiting Forces Agreement in 1999, and then the EDCA, signed in 2014, meaning that US military staff have a presence in the Philippines.

It also explains why it is a 'thing' that Duarte is ushering them away again.