So What If The Democrats ...

originally posted by: ketsuko
Steyer just said he thinks they'll lose unless they take out Trump on the economy ...

I think he had a freudian slip and meant wreck the economy before the election.

a reply to: RazorV66

It'll kill you to know Klobuchar said the same thing and owned voting for it.

Interesting, Tom referred to the President as Mr. Trump.
Biden has been referred to as Vice-President all night.

Interesting observation ... Klobuchar accuses Trump of siding with tyrants all the time, but not one of them would have killed Suleimani. They were asked about it earlier on.

a reply to: ketsuko

Someone who decided to write history through the worst possible perspective out there. If you want to read him, he needs to be balanced out with someone who is at least as positive on the other side of the ledger.

No, he balanced out the historical perspective by telling the stories of those who have been historically oppressed, those who have not had their stories told. Additionally, the "worst possible perspective" was, in fact, a reality for a large number of people who never had theirs told.

That's what he has always said.

Personally, the idea of what racism actually is has been so skewed by academics as to become nearly meaningless in most real ways.

Untold horrors have occurred because of systematic racism, usually because of colonialism, both in the Americas and Africa, and even in Asia.

The effects of racism have also lingered in America, on both a macro and micro level. To this day.



ETA:

I don't need to watch. I know who I am voting for.

originally posted by: ketsuko
If you are a minority, having ID to vote is an attempt to keep you from voting and racist. I think you should start complaining about needing it to apply for you monthly social services as well then. Isn't it an attempt to keep you from those too?

If I do not have an ID card (cannot prove citizenship); how do I do anything? Open a bank account, apply for social services get a drivers licence, pay taxes, become employed? If I have entered this country illegally; by passing visa/green card requirements why would I expect special treatment (I am knowingly breaking Federal Law). All of those (waiting in line) going through legal proper channels be damned as I am a selfish law breaker that deserves to be rewarded for my horrible decision making; and if you are too moronic to see I am taking advantage of you its your fault.

Yang talks about making people valuable to alleviate child poverty.

Mayor Pete says your children need to be lifted out of poverty. Shouldn't they have the ability to lift themselves? IME, it means more if you do it on your own.

Warren will use her wealth tax to pay for this one too. Universal pre-K! Somehow this will stop exploiting children. Woah, don't leave this to localities and states ... be a Federal partner. I like Warren less and less.

Biden - These are all our children. They're poor, so they need preschool!

Bernie - We have child poverty because we have tax breaks. It's because people are rich!

Amy - More childcare and tax credits ...

a reply to: Liquesence

And I did not say it was unworthy, only something that needs to not be the only perspective. Their stories are not the only ones.

I recall when the critique was that minorities felt bad because they never saw their voices, but now a bunch of schools use his text as the only one, and now they see stories, but they are uniquely bad with very little positive at all. And it is a mistake to say there was no positive. And it feeds the idea that every child not of minority heritage today needs to feel uniquely guilty for being here.

In my time working with kids who were exposed to this text and no other, I've seen some kids who were profoundly scarred by it.

a reply to: ketsuko

Mayor Pete says your children need to be lifted out of poverty.

How dare we attempt to lift children out of poverty!

Universal pre-K!

How dare we!

These are all our children. They're poor, so they need preschool!

How dare we provide for preschool! They are yours, not mine!

Etc.

You would probably agree with these proposals if a democrat hadn't, in fact, proposed it. If Trump said it, you'd probably rally for it. That's the sad part.

But whatever.

a reply to: Liquesence

Actually, I think it's better for parents to stay home with their children through the early years.

If you want to hot house your kid by sending them to a pre-school, that's on you, but research shows that headstart type programs don't really make much difference and any gains made disappear by the time kids hit 3rd grade.

Parents make better teachers and it's more important for kids to learn the behavior skills necessary to facilitate learning than it is for them to have teachers try to force them to learn reading or basic math a year or two earlier. They honestly may not be ready for those skills anyways.

My son and myself are both smart and accomplished readers, but neither of us was ready to get into text decoding until after Kindergarten. Once we were, those skills took off in a big way like a door unlocked and opened, but it just simply didn't happen until about then. You could say those skills bloomed late. What good would pre-K and early reading have done us?

a reply to: ketsuko

only something that needs to not be the only perspective. Their stories are not the only ones.

No one said it was the only story. If you paid attention, the point was it's the story that is usually not historically told.

As i Said:

telling the stories of those who have been historically oppressed, those who have not had their stories told.

And it feeds the idea that every child not of minority heritage today needs to feel uniquely guilty for being here.

A false narrative fueled by the false white slight narrative. There is no white persecution.

In my time working with kids who were exposed to this text and no other, I've seen some kids who were profoundly scarred by it.

If that's all they've been exposed to, of course they have been scarred. By a BS narrative.

a reply to: Liquesence

It's what happens when they use the People's History as their classroom history text. Are you really unaware that happens?

a reply to: ketsuko

Actually, I think it's better for parents to stay home with their children through the early years.

I agree, if a parent is able to do so.

Parents make better teachers and it's more important for kids to learn the behavior skills necessary to facilitate learning

Exactly. Kids learn from home. They learn from their parents. But not all parents "teach," or are able to stay at home, which is why many children parrot the BS they see on whatever TV the parent watches or whatever BS the parents says. I've seen it first hand. Lived it first hand

a reply to: ketsuko

It's not an inaccurate history. It represents a history of those who otherwise would not have had their history recorded as generally taught. Are you really unaware of that fact?

originally posted by: pheonix358
I watched a little of it just to see what they are saying.

It is all just 'we will lose unless we blah blah blah.

They all have a defeatist attitude.

They are being palsy as well by pretending to have some love for each other.

None of these candidates have that Presidential feel about them.

P

I'm imagining they're all sitting at the debate frozen in their chairs with facial twitches.

originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: ketsuko

Exactly. Kids learn from home. They learn from their parents. But not all parents "teach," or are able to stay at home, which is why many children parrot the BS they see on whatever TV the parent watches or whatever BS the parents says. I've seen it first hand. Lived it first hand

Kids also learn BS in preschool. They're indoctrinated instead of learning. They get they're heads filled with whatever crap the PreSchool teachers push onto them, and it sticks because the parental figure is busy working or worried about their social life instead of their kids.

You're right though. Parents should be taking a larger role in teaching their children. So, how about the Democrats come up with some way to encourage a stronger family unit, bolster the economy so raising a child isn't so expensive and allow parents to feel comfortable enough not to have to work multiple jobs and have enough time for the child?

These are the problems many people face, and if the Democrats want to come across as wanting to fix that they need to realize that the solution isn't just for people to stick their children in day care, pre-school, and public school to be raised by the state in what to believe instead of the parental figures.

But, the way you speak it sounds almost as if you'd rather children be raised and indoctrinated by the state, because it seems you have a rather low opinion of Americans who don't support the same ideologies as you.

I watched a little of it.
Andrew Yang was the only person on stage with even a lick of sense. All others said whatever they had to say to top the ridiculousness of the others.

Actually, Yang is a pretty smart dude, and a forward thinker.


His problem is that he is too smart for the audience he's trying to connect with.

originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: ketsuko

It's not an inaccurate history. It represents a history of those who otherwise would not have had their history recorded as generally taught. Are you really unaware of that fact?

So you are suggesting it was a history of anecdotes, but not the general experience of the time?

I have not read the specific book. This is an honest question.

originally posted by: FlyingSquirrel

originally posted by: M5xaz
a reply to: ketsuko

DNC debate ?

On what ?

Whose DNC leader kid makes the most money from Burisma or other criminal deal ?

Which DNC leader cheated best in "fixing" the numbers in Iowa ?

Whose DNC leader spouse is best a beating criminal charges of real estate fraud ?

Which DNC leader is best at saying women enjoy rape by 3 men and write an article about it ?

Which DNC leader is most socialist AND drives an Audi R8 and owns 3 homes ?

Which DNC leader has the most indian blood and is best suited to force social media companies to cooperate in suppressing free speech ?


And Americans would like to watch such a debate because.....?

As crazy as it may seem, roughly half of Americans are interested in it, maybe more so from curiosity from the other half. Not because they'd ever vote for them, but.. yeah. Nice speech, go get 'em though.

Well, judging by attendance and ratings, more like 0.05% of Americans, not 50%....

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Liquesence
It's what happens when they use the People's History as their classroom history text. Are you really unaware that happens?

What proclamation is this? What is *the peoples history* and who is they? I am aware my education differed from some others because I actually learned to read.