Corona Virus Updates Part 2

originally posted by: Power_Semi

originally posted by: muzzleflash
a reply to: tennisdawg

I definitely don't trust a word of your unsubstantiated info.

You're essentially fear mongering, suggesting people take actions that aren't even rational (a month isolation?) and spooking ppl out.

Prove it.

Getting paid by the government takes weeks if not months.

Sounds fishy he got the job, did it and got paid all in a 2 week period.

I am a paid consultant. I typically work on 30 and 60 day payment schedules, but this was fast-tracked. I thought I would have to wait until March to share what I know, but it was a quick turnaround.

originally posted by: MuldersMate
a reply to: muzzleflash

So we should take no precaution at all and literally continue asif disease never had the possibility to go pandemic and cause societal breakdown?

Like sure it can be accepted the figures aren't 100% correct but you are suggesting a famously competitive and prideful nation has sent itself into meltdown for no reason?

I'm sure there's a reason, but it's not what we're being told.

I never said don't take precautions, you should always be prepared for any contingency. You should have already been prepping before this.

The figures are incorrect and are being skewed purposely to exaggerate and promote FEAR.

But why?
I don't know.

a reply to: muzzleflash

It's easy to misrepresent when there is nothing solid to present from.

Everyone here has to remember that. Even the numbers of infections, deaths, recoveries *are not solid*.

The medical papers are not solid in the sense that they are working from limited data sets, so they are using their best guess.

The Lancet article with a high mortality? It's working off a sample size of 41 critical patients. That will skew your numbers, but there is valuable data to be gleaned there even so.

Sure

Go check this twitter feed all the videos are on here from Wuhan, looks like that city hasn’t long till complete collapse, now I’m just applying logic, but if this goes across the world we can be sure society will fall apart, if it gets into poorer country’s then there will be scenes the likes the world has never seen, it’s getting real and it’s getting frightening, preparing now seem like a sensible thing to do

twitter.com...

Now match what we see with what we know about Pandemics like the Spanish flu, 50 million people died, let’s assume were better equipped today, even if 1 million die it’s going to cause a Great Depression with the world being so economically fragile and integrated, this isn’t a joke anymore these possibilities are increasing by the day

originally posted by: muzzleflash

originally posted by: MuldersMate
a reply to: muzzleflash

So we should take no precaution at all and literally continue asif disease never had the possibility to go pandemic and cause societal breakdown?

Like sure it can be accepted the figures aren't 100% correct but you are suggesting a famously competitive and prideful nation has sent itself into meltdown for no reason?

I'm sure there's a reason, but it's not what we're being told.

I never said don't take precautions, you should always be prepared for any contingency. You should have already been prepping before this.

The figures are incorrect and are being skewed purposely to exaggerate and promote FEAR.

But why?
I don't know.

Oh the figures are incorrect all right. I think if you had access to the actual figures in China you might let a little lump out. Still, I hope you find what you’re looking for here.

a reply to: Trueman
Think there were rumours of people being cured early on, and that doctors said there was no guarantee that they would be immune from getting it again,
No sure on the source but here

www.google.co.uk...

originally posted by: tennisdawg

originally posted by: muzzleflash
a reply to: tennisdawg

I definitely don't trust a word of your unsubstantiated info.

You're essentially fear mongering, suggesting people take actions that aren't even rational (a month isolation?) and spooking ppl out.

Prove it.

21-28 days from the date of the last known confirmed local case is my personal suggestion. this is based on the 14 day incubation period. I respect you, and i have followed your posts for years on here.

I am just sharing what I know. I am not fear mongering.

Flattery? You went straight to that?
Hmmmm.

You were doing much more than sharing what you know, you were making some very extreme suggestions for people.

Those suggestions are not rational nor even scientifically plausible. It won't even protect them regardless.

Go to this page : www.worldometers.info...


Do a comparison between Wuhan coronavirus and seasonal flu

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427 Wuhan coronavirus deaths this year
46180 Seasonal flu deaths this year
972 Seasonal flu deaths today

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Not sure how many days i count for the 427. If this started December 1 it`s then about 2 month time .

I am terrible in math, probably the worst here , but still to me even if i would do 12x 427 it is 5124 for year......well seasonal flu is 46180 .

So just saying , that if you dont jump to roof from seasonal flu then should you jump from WuFlu .

Priced something off with U.K. reporting on the virus
At the start they were looking for some 2000 people that came back from China / Wuhan/ Hubei province
news.sky.com...

But today they saying

news.sky.com...

326 tested, 2 were positive (confirmed)
Still looking for 239
And evacuated 94
By my maths that’s 1435 short of the 2000!, that’s a whole lot of short imo!!!

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: muzzleflash

It's easy to misrepresent when there is nothing solid to present from.

Everyone here has to remember that. Even the numbers of infections, deaths, recoveries *are not solid*.

The medical papers are not solid in the sense that they are working from limited data sets, so they are using their best guess.

The Lancet article with a high mortality? It's working off a sample size of 41 critical patients. That will skew your numbers, but there is valuable data to be gleaned there even so.

Thank you for posting that.
Thank you very much.

originally posted by: Adphil28
a reply to: Trueman
Think there were rumours of people being cured early on, and that doctors said there was no guarantee that they would be immune from getting it again,
No sure on the source but here

www.google.co.uk...

If this operates like the standard corona viruses that are already circulating in the human population, then it will becomes a seasonal bug like the other colds and flus we deal with. However, it should become a variant that is less deadly because our immune systems will have an idea of how to deal with it next time. This time, they're pulling out all the stops and sort of clueless and as much a danger as the disease in their own way.

So, yeah, there is no guarantee we won't be seeing this one various forms forever now that it's out, but that's not a real big concern anymore than any other seasonal respiratory infection.

a reply to: ketsuko
Agreed, same reason there’s no vaccine for the common cold 🤷🏽‍♂️, just a case of wait an see atm tbh

a reply to: Kenzo

BUTTTTTT..... at the start of this year there were approx 27 people suspected with 'wuflu' / NcoV. Meanwhile at the start of this year, at the very same time multiple millions of people were already infected with the flu. If they each passed on the flu to 1.5 people (typical flu R0) then there are still multiple millions of people infected...

Therefore your comparison is null and void.

"You were doing much more than sharing what you know, you were making some very extreme suggestions for people."

-Muzzleflash



What some may see as extreme precautions today, can quickly turn into common sense tomorrow.

If people have an active case or outbreak in their town, the only thing you can do to help yourself is to isolate from others until the outbreak is contained. 21-28 days of isolation is extreme to you now, but it won't be if you are faced with the choice of exposure or isolation.

I have no reason to post any of what I have said, except that I feel compelled to share. Do with it what you will.

If the 10-14 day incubation holds true before symptoms present I’d say we would have a good idea about countries other than China late this week and into next week.

If it was shorter, 7 days for example we would see an explosion of cases this week already.

a reply to: ragiusnotiel

Anyone know if there is already a plan established for internet control in mass panic situations?

At this time it is more the big tech censors limiting the flow of information. Only those with a VPN have any chance of getting unfiltered information out. This is another way they do it in China.

In China, law enforcement officials are warning for internet sharing #wuhanvirus #coronavirus #china

CBS reporting this...

Chinese officials have agreed to let American experts into the country as part of a World Health Organization team in the coming days, and senior members of the Communist Party have admitted "shortcomings and deficiencies" in the country's response. President Xi Jinping declared "a people's war of prevention" against the epidemic Tuesday, threatening punishment for anyone deemed to be neglecting their duties as control efforts ramped up.

(emphasis added)

With the internal market injections from the Chinese government to the closing casinos in Macau ( which is similar to closing Las Vegas two fold) seems this is out of hand now.

mg

originally posted by: tennisdawg

"You were doing much more than sharing what you know, you were making some very extreme suggestions for people."

-Muzzleflash



What some may see as extreme precautions today, can quickly turn into common sense tomorrow.

If people have an active case or outbreak in their town, the only thing you can do to help yourself is to isolate from others until the outbreak is contained. 21-28 days of isolation is extreme to you now, but it won't be if you are faced with the choice of exposure or isolation.

I have no reason to post any of what I have said, except that I feel compelled to share. Do with it what you will."

I have checked out some of your past posts. You don't seem to make any outlandish claims that I can see.

Also put that with you have been a member for about as long as me and havnt been banned yet says something in my opinion.

While this is a public forum and we have all seen bs such as ole Bernard Schnitzel, it is best to be cautious and every single erson should take all info into account.

a reply to: TritonTaranis

I'm going to go through this again:

The closest thing we have right now to compare this to is the Spanish Flu.

Spanish Flu was scary, but it wasn't particularly deadly in the sense of high mortality. Still, it did nearly unravel society, but there were a few reasons for that.

1. Government was not forthcoming and kept trying to put a good face on things. People sensed they were being lied to and did a lot of what you see people here doing -- making up worst case scenarios and then panicking over it. That made the situation worse. You see it going on in China. People are dying who need not die because they're actually barring people inside their homes and they're starving! That happened during Spanish Flu too.

2. A lot of people are getting sick, miserable sick, all at once, but they aren't deathly ill. It's just that they're getting sick enough they cannot work. They're knocked on their butts for an extended period of time, and I'm not talking about the ones in the hospital, just generally ill. Sure most will recover given time, but in the meantime, who is holding down the fort? It puts a strain on society where people are dependent on having enough manpower to do those important jobs.

3. People did die, and they died suddenly all at once, not spread out. So it was scary. While the death toll wasn't necessarily especially high, it seemed like it because of how everyone who died died all at once because the disease swept through in a wave. Add in the fear created by reason #1, and it made it all that much worse.

That's what China is going through, and that's what our government is worried will possibly happen here. That's what other governments are worried about.

In the end, the individual odds that this things will kill are likely not terribly high, but the odds that you will get sick from it are much higher, and it may make you sick enough that you will wish you had died. Spanish Flu was a nasty, miserable illness even when it wasn't lethal. I have no idea how this one is in its milder forms on average.

But if you really want a sense of what this will be like, I suggest you study the conditions of society in and around the Spanish Flu epidemic for an idea.

I have the common cold right now. I dont know how I got that. I am not/ was not around other sick people. Other than the grocery store my husbands dirty dishes and clothes. I used hand sanitizer, wet disinfectant wipes on ATM machine, gas pumps, grocery carts, and wash hands hourly. I still got sick from a germ on something.

So here is what I think about this crisis. We probably are being lied to. Watch what the authorities do, not what they say. This virus is very contagious. But if only 2% die the world population will go from 7,630,000 to 7,000,000. So does that really warrant all the panic if they have drugs to fix this? The old and the poor will be trimmed off in all the countries this is the facts. However pneumonia strikes anyone quickly. Pneumonia can be either bacterial or virial. But still, We have never seen this quarantine a country business ever. I guess 600,000 dying is a huge number, but 7 billion still alive. Why are we bringing the USA people back in if its a two week disease, that kills 2% people off rapidly like pneumonia. Everyone is more excited about this than Ebola ever. I almost wonder if the media who is owned by the wealthy is controlling the people to get money from the stock markets. After all 3M is selling a lot of face masks, the Lysol company, hand gloves, the grocery stores are selling more products..... If we are spending money, so the stocks should be going up. It takes gasoline to run around and get supplies too. Best quarantine is to stay home and don't leave. That is who survives in the movies.