Corona Virus Updates Part 2

Hey all,

I must say, I initially rolled my eyes at all the hoo-ha and doom porn headlines around this virus, but I suddenly can't seem to look away - it's like rubber-necking at a slow motion train crash - it's scary as hell, but you just can't look away.

Anyway - props to OP and contributors on this thread, it's nice to find some good information all in one place (in amongst the nutjobs - you know who you are).

TWO things are playing on my mind at the moment.

1. The number of people who travelled to or through Wuhan briefly and managed to contract the virus before travelling overseas.

For example, the 8 Japanese factory workers from Vietnam who travelled to train in Wuhan and then returned to Vietnam on the 17/1. At a time when there were only 41 recorded cases in Wuhan (a city of 11 million people), 4 of these 8 workers were unlucky enough to come into contact with someone who had the virus (in a city of 11 MILLION PEOPLE).

In another case (lazy reporting here, because I am operating from memory) a guy travelled through Wuhan in mid Jan and managed to pick up the virus. In a city of 11 million, when the official infection count was less than 200 people (in a city of 11 million).

What I'm left wondering is, how the hell so many people picked this up at a time when numbers say the epidemic was in its infancy - in a city of 11 million people?

This - at least to me - is an indication that the infection was MUCH wider spread at a time when official numbers were very low - I'm not even accusing China of manipulating numbers here, I'm simply stating that at around the 20th Jan (+/- a few days) it appears as many people left Wuhan carrying the virus as official numbers would indicate HAD the infection in Wuhan at the time.

Again - all conspiracy theories aside - it's not hard to imagine that the actual numbers of infection are WAY higher than is either reported or perhaps even known.

2. The general feeling that we've dodged a bullet in the wider world. I read a report about a doctor (might have been in the first part of this thread) who raised concerns with colleagues about heightened number of pneumonia around the 1st of DECEMBER. He is alleged to have been later arrested for spreading rumours. If that one is proved false, NY Times had the first case reported as 8th December, so either way - way earlier than people are giving this credit.

IF we take the 1st of December as the first infection (because I'm a pessimistic bastard - YMMV and you can use the 8th).
And IF we take the official figures (which I believe for simply logistical reasons are WAY lower than actual), then it has taken around 8 weeks for this to explode in China. 8 weeks was the 27th Jan (with 2,744 official cases) - in the 9th week, # went boom - we've jumped to 20,000+ cases in 8 days.

I know countries have shut their borders, but the fox is already in the henhouse.

At the moment, things are looking good, but I reckon the broader world is only at that 2 and a half week mark. If we get through the next 6 WEEKS without TSHTF somewhere in the world, then I'll sit back and take it easy - I think people's expectations of getting through the next week or two without any major explosions are WAY too optimistic.

And FWIW, I'm one of the guys in the 40% mortality rate camp (at the moment). Deaths vs Recoveries are sitting at ~ 40% - to me, that's all that matters - if the remaining 20,000 infected folks ALL recover, then yeah, we're sitting at 2% - but who honestly thinks that's gonna happen? To be fair, I think the rate will drop way below 40% - but it for sure as hell is gonna jump WAY above 2%.

Thanks for reading and stay safe.

Leighthall.

a reply to: Chance321

Could be something to do with the 10% daily limit

a reply to: SpartanStoic

a reply to: SpartanStoic. They are? Who is saying it's man made? You do realise that nearly every virologist in the world has viewed those genomes don't you? There are now numerous labs with live specimens to study. If it was man made it would be well known, unless you're suggesting every lab is in on some secret.

a reply to: Leighthall

If we get through the next 6 WEEKS without TSHTF somewhere in the world, then I'll sit back and take it easy - I think people's expectations of getting through the next week or two without any major explosions are WAY too optimistic.

If we go on the basis of a 14 day incubation period.. then most countries should start showing infections this weekend (+/- 2 or 3 days)

also, not all infections will be the 2 week incubation end of the spectrum , so i would have expected a couple of random infections appear already.

Its looking more and more like you need direct touch or very close interactions for a prolonged time with the infected person to get it, which is very positive

First death reported in Hong Kong:

LINK

Rev

Tokyo time 9:30 pm 2-4-2020

3700 passengers and crew of cruise liner docked at Yokohama , Japan are still being screened. If passenger to be found with virus, fever, all will be quarantine for another 10 days.
Ship was in Okinawa, people went sightseeing for 9.5 hours (now I have no news of it spreading yet in OKinawa, maybe 10 more days, remember America has some very large bases there)
Nara bus driver still in hospital, but condition "stable".
17 people in Nara are being monitored by the city health officials
All food handlers (bento box makers and so on ) MUST wear mask ( I think the sushi houses in the future may see a drop in business)
All hospital are/soon to be running out of mask (80% of mask are made in China, due to holiday, shipping to Japan will be set back for some time)

Infection rate: 1 person can infect 3 people (more people infected, more it will spread)

That's all I got for tonight. See ya all later.

a reply to: weirdguy
Think the info came from an infowars vid but don’t quote me on that, and if so then it’s questionable at best we all know what their like think it was quoted and linked in thread 1 of this

originally posted by: Adphil28
a reply to: weirdguy
Think the info came from an infowars vid but don’t quote me on that, and if so then it’s questionable at best we all know what their like think it was quoted and linked in thread 1 of this

There appear to be more scientists coming out to support the idea. Add in the report that the Chinese military MAY have suggested that this cane from the USA as a biological attack, and also factor in the Chinese response to the outbreak and logic would suggest that a lab leak is at least a viable theory. It should not be overlooked and I doubt it will be. There are some very peculiar properties of this virus and those should be considered. If we get the time of course.

#BREAKING: UK Foreign Office advises all British nationals in mainland China who are able to leave

a reply to: Adphil28. Oh yah that infowars video lol. I showed that it's wrong on page 5, by running the plasmid sequence through genbank database. If that scientist was factual, he would have submitted his findings through the official channels not on Alex Jones conspiracy site. The guy lost all credibility doing it that way.

Chinese tourists in Italy take a turn for the worse.

The conditions of the two Chinese coronavirus positive results and hospitalized at the Spallanzani Institute in Rome worsened. "In the last hours - explains the health directorate in the medical bulletin - they have had an aggravation of the clinical conditions due to a respiratory insufficiency, as reported in the cases reported so far in the literature". For this reason "respiratory support was needed in ICU".

[url=https://www.tgcom24.mediaset.it/cronaca/lazio/coronavirus-si-aggravano-condizioni-dei-cinesi-ricoverati-a-roma_14376548-202002a.shtml]source[/url ]

a reply to: ARM1968

This didn't come from the USA. The huge city's of China spawn most all the viral outbreaks for a long time due to living conditions. It should not be lost that the Wu Han research center in the middle of this is a Chinese lab and they are not noted for their cleanliness as a whole. Regimes like the Chicom are willing to sacrifice their citizens to experiment for war.

originally posted by: Agit8dChop

#BREAKING: UK Foreign Office advises all British nationals in mainland China who are able to leave

Question is... Will china just let them leave? Chartered military aircraft? Commercial airline provided by their Embassy?

From what I heard their govt. or any govt has to get involved now in taking their citizens out , but I only base this on What I've been reading .

a reply to: weirdguy

Agreed, I’m in the naturally occurring camp until compelling evidence shows otherwise.

But how this virus happened isn’t really relevant. We should be focusing on what practical steps can be done now to slow the spread and organise ourselves for the potential threats to our respective countries/neighbourhoods/societies/economies.

CCP Issues Law Prohibiting Virus-Related Speech

Feb 2. Now in China, according to ‘law’, if someone gets the coronavirus, he/she could only choose to be ‘separated’ without good treatment or to be sentenced to death. And if someone talks about the virus online unproperly, he/she could be sentenced by 15-year prison for ‘Inciting subversion of state power.’

I have come across other reports that sentences of 7 years can be applied to people talking about taboo subjects. First i heard of 15 years. I am new to the news site reporting this and it does have a strong CIA vibe to it.

So either 7 or 15 years, what is really going on here? The nation is under a significant threat and the government orders are not to talk about it? Are you #'ing serious? How is the public suppose to respond to a threat when the government bans speech about it? The big tech censors are working hard to silence all news on this topic.

Along with the slow response to the initial breakout of this virus, all these actions do demonstrate a political agenda to propagate this virus. The stock market is getting artificially propped up for the moment as 15 cities come under lock down.

I am not buying this political face saving as a justified reason to keep a lid on all the information. What if it was the US military rather than a virus that was invading and killing the nation? Would they still have the same level of information lock down? Or would they be talking and organizing on what they can do about it?

This lid on the information is going to pop sooner or later, especially as more open nations have to deal with it and get a clearer set of numbers on it. All this new money to prop up the market will need to be readjusted once the dust settles and the survivors need to get on with things.

Is it the globalist fighting back? They where not too happy with Trump fighting for the Patriots so stuff it, lets take down every nation as their hidden hand grabs hold of the rebuilding after? Event 201 has already come up, what other global preparations are there to capitalist on such a disaster?

Some of the work going on with the wuflu virus goes back 10-15 years. For those with the inside information on it, its possible that a vaccination or antidote has already been made, but only available for those in the club. With the social reaction that is spreading with this virus, it is not just the disease that will cause fatalities, but the breakdown in cities with social order, hunger, sanitation and general infrastructure.

Has Q been outplayed? Is it a part of the plan?

originally posted by: musicismagic

originally posted by: Agit8dChop

#BREAKING: UK Foreign Office advises all British nationals in mainland China who are able to leave

Question is... Will china just let them leave? Chartered military aircraft? Commercial airline provided by their Embassy?

From what I heard their govt. or any govt has to get involved now in taking their citizens out , but I only base this on What I've been reading .

I say get them.

But, they should be in straight quarantine. Consider all of them patients from the moment they leave for at least 2 weeks.

a reply to: ketsuko

I said it at the beginning of this and will say it again, The pandemic on the ground in China is NOT this novel corona virus but something else entirely. Something sinister, infectious and deadly. China probably either intentionally or accidentally released a bio-weapon from the Wuhan lab, it had devastating effects in Wuhan but will stay localized there. The corona-virus and ensuing quarantines are all 100% a cover to hope the rest of the world buys the corona virus cover story and that the WHO and UN don't look into it further.

The fact that this is basically a nasty flu to any one else but people appeared to be dropping like flies in Wuhan is a big indicator. China's actions also indicate they know something they want hidden.

originally posted by: texasgirl
I leave for a little while and there's already a second thread with 11 pages, wow...And here I thought pandemic/virus threads died out after a few pages.

I see more and more new members posting, and old members signing back on just so they can comment on this thread. I also notice how civil everyone is, even though there are different opinions as to what they think is happening in China, and it gives me hope that ATS is returning to its old ways.

Thank you, Agit, for being on top of it and giving us constant updates. You rock!

Same here. Other thread closed for some reason. Reached its limit??

anyways, at least new thread and updates still coming.

I think this virus is manufactured but the release of it is an accident. Also, the Chinese were to become the number 1 super power, maybe someone didn't want that?? who knows?

Could of been Kim Jong Sent in one guy to infiltrate the Lab and starrt this thing. Who knows? Your closest ally could also be your enemy!

Could also be a terrorist attack from a Chinese muslim who didn't like the way the Rohinga's Uigurs were being treated??? How many cases in the ME? Only ones i know about are UAE cases!

I know Chinese eat some crazy stuff but havn't they been doing that for ages... so why now a new virus from a bat or whatever and not 20, 30 year ago?

Many scenarios to think about.

a reply to: ARM1968

Of course, the Chinese military would no matter what. Given the current friction between the US and China, if either side was majorly sick like this, you can almost count on them blaming the other in one way or another.

It also equally likely that China was working on this things as a potential bioweapon and this strain was being tested as a potential vaccine strain because it targets ACE-2 if it's correct that Asian males have 5x more ACE-2 than other ethnicities, but it was nowhere near ready for primetime and it got out by accident.

Heck, it's possible that Canada, of all places was working on this strain for some reason, and they smuggled it into China and then it got out. The US could have been too for that matter and the Chinese stole it and it slipped their grasp.

Of course, that's all pre-supposing it was bio-engineered to begin with which is merely plausible at this point and not at all confirmed in any real way.