12 Hours To Go And We Are OUT Of The EU.

It’s 12 hours until you lose voting satuts in the EU. The earliest the UK really leaves is DEC 31, 2020. For now the UK is a non-voting member that still pays dues and has to follow all EU laws.

Have fun with that, being the weak party in negotiations for the next year.

originally posted by: Goedhardt

originally posted by: operation mindcrime
a reply to: Goedhardt

Wilders or Baudet?

Not a snowballs chance in hell they'll ever get anything going.

Peace

Thats what they said about Boris Johnson... See what happend?

Thats also what was said about Donald Trump.. but again... See what happened

Yeah populism is just not catching on in the Netherlands. We're all sick of these politicians that keep making comprimises and everybody is agreeing that we need a strong leader but in a country where no political party has ever had an overwheming majority I don't see it happening anytime soon.

Too much opinions in our country.

Peace

originally posted by: Goedhardt

originally posted by: operation mindcrime
a reply to: KindraLaBelle

Belgium huh...yeah just like the Netherlands we a too small to matter. It was always a kind of Germany/France deal with the brits in between.

The open borders are good for our trade so I'm happy with it.

Peace

Come on, you can’t be serious... Learn some history.

The Netherland, Belgium and Luxemburg started the BeNeLux. To work together as relatively small countries. This grew in to a coal & steal union and after that bigger and bigger to what is now the EU.

The Dutch and the Belgians actually were the original founders of the project that became the EU.

no disinformation please

Yeah I know how it started...good for us..yay.

But are you seriously suggesting that Belgium, the Netherlands or Luxemburg have a lot to say these days?

It's Germany, France and the east European countries that are making the policies.

Peace

Dbl post

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

originally posted by: Metallicus
Congratulations on your newfound liberty. Have a blessed Brexit.

All we can do is hope for the best............ Remember 1991 and the disintiegration of the USSR? We just got to pray that our economies don't collapse in a similar manner. Just a six minute stop in production at our biggest car plant Nissan in Sunderland = a loss for the company, things are that tight. I just pray the container ships keep moving and the trucks don't get delayed or else we gonna see economic catastrophe similar to what happened to the USSR

The USSR was a mess before it disintegrated. The British economy is much better to begin with. There may be some rough patches along the way but I think the UK will be better off. It's times like this I wish the UK hadn't given up Hong Kong.

a reply to: ForteanOrg

I dearly hope you are correct ForteanOrg, sure the transition period can be a saviour but what if things get nasty? We are so tied in with our continental brothers it's a sad day to some of us over here and a scary one too

originally posted by: operation mindcrime

originally posted by: Goedhardt

originally posted by: operation mindcrime
a reply to: KindraLaBelle

Belgium huh...yeah just like the Netherlands we a too small to matter. It was always a kind of Germany/France deal with the brits in between.

The open borders are good for our trade so I'm happy with it.

Peace

Come on, you can’t be serious... Learn some history.

The Netherland, Belgium and Luxemburg started the BeNeLux. To work together as relatively small countries. This grew in to a coal & steal union and after that bigger and bigger to what is now the EU.

The Dutch and the Belgians actually were the original founders of the project that became the EU.

no disinformation please

Yeah I know how it started...good for us..yay.

But are you seriously suggesting that Belgium, the Netherlands or Luxemburg have a lot to say these days?

It's Germany, France and the east European countries that are making the policies.

Peace

And there you have my point. We indeed do not have a say, but they dictate what we can or cannot do in our own country. No way we can vote for a body that actually has a say in all of this.

Working together: yes
EUSSR: no

originally posted by: Pyle
It’s 12 hours until you lose voting satuts in the EU. The earliest the UK really leaves is DEC 31, 2020. For now the UK is a non-voting member that still pays dues and has to follow all EU laws.

Have fun with that, being the weak party in negotiations for the next year.

At 11.00 pm today, The UK is no longer a member of The EU. That is officially signed, sealed and delivered. And that is the most important part.

I can live with an 11 month transition period like most other "Leavers " 11 months is far better than the 2 year transition that was first muted.

Again i repeat. At 11.00 pm today THE UK IS NO LONGER A MEMBER OF THE EU.

Rejoice.

originally posted by: operation mindcrime

Yeah I know how it started...good for us..yay.

But are you seriously suggesting that Belgium, the Netherlands or Luxemburg have a lot to say these days?

It's Germany, France and the east European countries that are making the policies.

Peace

Are you seriously suggesting that the most crucial EU decisions are made inside a parliament house? You have to look behind the curtains.... Benelux has a lot of 'elite', they just aren't out there in the political public view.

a reply to: LogicalGraphitti

The British economy is better than the USSR one back then in some ways but only for some. Much of our country are alreadfy economic wastelands with the decline of heavey industry, mining, shipbuilding etc. Those regions are largely propped up by Japanese / European transplants such as Nissan etc and these are totally reliant on hassle free trade and sales with the rest of the EU. 70% os parts for out car industry come from the EU continentals and just a slight stoppage in transportation or tariffs will mean an economic catastrophe very same as dislution of the Soviets in 1991. As someone involved in industry everything we use component wise comes from Germany, Itraly, we gonna be up the creek with no paddle if thinhs hit the fan. Britain just doesn't produce the base materials for our sectors, we may assemble but it all comes from the continent. It really is fingers crossed time as the EU might decide to turn on the screws

a reply to: Goedhardt

Yeah but you forget that is really good for our wallets....ahmm...their wallets.

Assimilate and stop asking questions please. We are the EU...

Peace

originally posted by: KindraLaBelle

originally posted by: operation mindcrime

Yeah I know how it started...good for us..yay.

But are you seriously suggesting that Belgium, the Netherlands or Luxemburg have a lot to say these days?

It's Germany, France and the east European countries that are making the policies.

Peace

Are you seriously suggesting that the most crucial EU decisions are made inside a parliament house? You have to look behind the curtains.... Benelux has a lot of 'elite', they just aren't out there in the political public view.

Yeah the elites got it covered, don't worry.

The puppetshow is for us and in that show we (small countries) just don't have a whole lot to say.

Peace

Actually - that is similar to what is happening in the UK. Go talk to a Scot or Welshman, they will tell you that in the UK "Westminster" decides "everything" and takes all the benefits for itself. If you go to my country, you will no doubt hear the people say that everything is decided in The Hague, unless they live in The Hague, I guess.

In fact, neither of that is true. Nor is it true that in the EU "France and Germany" decide and "The Netherlands" does not. It's just a matter of independent elections, chosen parliaments and the decisions they make. And like the - say - SP in the Netherlands will not get its way every time, they will have a say. And often more than just that. Likewise, The Netherlands is also a well respected member of the EU and frequently has its say - and more than just that.

Additionally, I find it abhorring that some people think that the world is a tribe with 50 people that needs a strong leader. Man, think for yourself, pretty please...

We do not need a strong leader, we need strong people, with sufficient common sense to know that we have to work together to solve our mondial problems.

originally posted by: ForteanOrg
Actually - that is similar to what is happening in the UK. Go talk to a Scot or Welshman, they will tell you that in the UK "Westminster" decides "everything" and takes all the benefits for itself. If you go to my country, you will no doubt hear the people say that everything is decided in The Hague, unless they live in The Hague, I guess.

It's true sure and there will be the same all over the EU but I honestly believe we were stronger as Britain being being a component of a greater institution the EU when standing up to Russia, China, even America than a small country on our own.

Some geezer on the radio just said we have now been relegated to the world status of Canada with nuclear weapons

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
a reply to: LogicalGraphitti
alreadfy economic wastelands with the decline of heavey industry, mining, shipbuilding etc.

It's not so different in the USA. I'm always optimistic that those are industries we can get back with the right leadership. Same for the UK. Start building again. Who knows, maybe some wealthy British industrialists will buy back Jaguar, Land Rover and Mini. That would be cool!

a reply to: ForteanOrg

I'm sorry for my fellow non-dutch speaking members but I really lack any interest in translating this dry material but I would like you to consider this:

"Met het wegvallen van het Verenigd Koninkrijk verliest Nederland niet alleen een overwegend gelijkgezinde partner binnen de Unie, maar verandert de machtspolitieke balans ook in het voordeel van de overgebleven grote lidstaten. Als middelgrote lidstaat zal Nederland bijvoorbeeld in stemgewicht met een bijna halve procent groeien van 3,37% naar 3,86%. Het stemgewicht is gebaseerd op de bevolkingsomvang van de lidstaten. Dat betekent dat het stemgewicht van de grootste lidstaat, Duitsland, bijna vijf keer meer zal toenemen dan het Nederlandse, en met 2,33% punt zal groeien van 15,93% naar 18,26%. Het Franse stemgewicht zal met 1,90% oplopen tot 14,94%."

kamerstuk brexit

Peace

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
a reply to: ForteanOrg

I dearly hope you are correct ForteanOrg, sure the transition period can be a saviour but what if things get nasty? We are so tied in with our continental brothers it's a sad day to some of us over here and a scary one too

Firstly, the Island will not sail away today. It will remain firmly where it was before, connected with a tunnel and various ferry lines to the Continet. Secondly: nothing changed much, even though Boris and his clan succesfully appealed to the tribal and competitional sentiments of a small fraction of the people, it is a fact that even at this very moment almost half of the people wants to be part of the EU. They won't suddenly leave the Island. Then, it is a fact that Boris Johnson now suddenly has to take full responsibility for everything that happens in the UK. No more "it's because the EU does this or says that". In the first few months only minor damage will be done, and Boris may even claim the continuous success of being part of the EU for the next 11 months as his own. Then, much of what happens depends on the negotiations with the EU.

From what I see and hear, the EU will try to make it as easy as possible for the UK to be able to rejoin the EU again later on. This, of course, also depends on the UK attitude during these negotiations. But the general idea seems to be to creat a media charade suggesting that the UK is breaking with the Continent, so the backward thinkers are happy. In the meantime, the UK and the EU will probably remain on very good speaking terms and almost everything you are used to (after 47 years in the EU and its predecessors) will be kept in place. So, what I expect is that most of the Laws will be synchronised, free travel of people and goods will remain largely in place and there will be no physical borders. The UK will get a few bones thrown at it, for example they will be able to have more restrictions on whom they let in and whom not. And of course, the continent will then make this EU law. Stuff like that.

So, don't worry. We will remain partners, friends and coworkers. We will in fact be one big nation, like we have been for almost 50 years.

Oh, well. You won't be able to vote anymore about what we decide about you. But we won't misuse that power.

I promise

Happy BRINO Day.

I would organize a rally to dump German cars and French wine into the Thames.

(Thats a reference to the Boston Tea Party just in case)

originally posted by: operation mindcrime
a reply to: ForteanOrg

I'm sorry for my fellow non-dutch speaking members but I really lack any interest in translating this dry material but I would like you to consider this:

"Met het wegvallen van het Verenigd Koninkrijk verliest Nederland niet alleen een overwegend gelijkgezinde partner binnen de Unie, maar verandert de machtspolitieke balans ook in het voordeel van de overgebleven grote lidstaten. Als middelgrote lidstaat zal Nederland bijvoorbeeld in stemgewicht met een bijna halve procent groeien van 3,37% naar 3,86%. Het stemgewicht is gebaseerd op de bevolkingsomvang van de lidstaten. Dat betekent dat het stemgewicht van de grootste lidstaat, Duitsland, bijna vijf keer meer zal toenemen dan het Nederlandse, en met 2,33% punt zal groeien van 15,93% naar 18,26%. Het Franse stemgewicht zal met 1,90% oplopen tot 14,94%."

kamerstuk brexit

Peace

It actually says that The Netherlands will get MORE influence than it had before Brexit And of course the bigger nations have a bigger say: they have more inhabitants.

I do believe the best system is one in which each individual member of the EU votes for a truly European party, not a local party (as we do now). Likewise, the backward UK system, based on first past the post and all that old nonsense should be ditched and replaced with a system of direct election: one man, one vote, no strawmen in the middle.