CA Homeless Crisis

Over half the US homeless is in CA and it's getting worse as most know. Everything they have tried results in more failure. Nobody is even questioning Nancy Pelosi about it. How is she able to avoid such a tragedy in her state and also her own city. It is beyond any rational thought process why the elected officials are not targeted to address it or even present a viable plan. Only plan they have is keep throwing money to the homeless with no results.

To top it off, the Public Works Director in San Fran was just arrested for corruption. This is the guy who was suppose to be a star at cleaning up the city. Not only did he fail at that task but now he's going to jail, along with some of his friends for harming the city even more. Horrible. Thanks to the FBI they swept him and his goons off the street.

I don't even know what can be done at this point. They keep electing the same people and tax payers get nothing for their money but more and more homeless. I have a feeling the Federal Government is going to have to step in and take over the situation. Build a massive prison and get these people off the street or deported. I see no other solution. It's out of control.

originally posted by: Stupidsecrets
Over half the US homeless is in CA and it's getting worse as most know.

It's actually about 25% =1400&fn[]=2900&fn[]=6000&fn[]=9900&fn[]=13500&all_types=true&year=2018]25% however on a per capita basis, which accounts for population density, Washington D.C. is far worse.

*Too many brackets in first URL but link still works

So Your answer is Jail for the Homeless? Very compassionate of You.

But yes it is a solution that needs an answer.

It really saddens me to have to say this, but many politicians become drunken over power and intoxicated with liquor.
I had a business in West LA many years ago and it was a fun place to be and really never saw any homeless other then on the hill of Santa Monica. Not many really and no tents either. But now from the videos I've been seeing, only on solution will help. Build a few open door rehab "prisons" in the desert and those that want to help themselves, give them the opportunity. Those that are bums and just plan out crazy, keep them in the rehabs. Can't be having a new type of foreign plague on the streets. To tell you the truth, I see it coming.
Just look at some of the vids of India and the Philippines. And its right now on our streets. Sorry but one can't run away from it now.
As for President Trump, he seems to be pro American for all Americans other then the politicians that want him out of office.
So if anyone has the guts, he's the man.

a reply to: ATruGod

Compassion is compounding the problem. They need to be in a controlled facility. Away from drugs, deported or in a mental hospital. Maybe farming facility for those capable to earn income and get back on their feet. I don't have all the answers but I know pandering to them with compassion an permitting it is not a solution.

originally posted by: Stupidsecrets
a reply to: ATruGod

Compassion is compounding the problem. They need to be in a controlled facility. Away from drugs, deported or in a mental hospital. Maybe farming facility for those capable to earn income and get back on their feet. I don't have all the answers but I know pandering to them with compassion an permitting it is not a solution.

I agree with you. Many homeless are good people and if given housing and a bicycle to find work, they'll probably make something of themselves real soon. I think cars are really expensive these days, so maybe free bus passes can help also.

There's a saying "the more you do for a person, the less they appreciate it". I think there is a lot of truth in that.

originally posted by: Stupidsecrets
a reply to: ATruGod

Compassion is compounding the problem. They need to be in a controlled facility. Away from drugs, deported or in a mental hospital. Maybe farming facility for those capable to earn income and get back on their feet. I don't have all the answers but I know pandering to them with compassion an permitting it is not a solution.

And please, no freedom for them.
Because that is *obviously* neither the american nor the right way. At least as long as it concerns poor people.

I don't necessarily like the idea of just giving money to the homeless especially in an uncontrolled environment. How long before those free bus passes are sold or traded? The obvious answer is not to do what we have been doing which is throw tons of money at the problem and hope it goes away. I think there should also be some consistency from state to state with how the problem is addressed.

If any more money is spent on the homelessness problem it should be spent creating jobs, projects or training for these homeless people to contribute to society. Plain handouts requiring no work for them has shown to not be the answer. Maybe hire them to clean up the streets or take care of parks there are lots of things these cities have plans for and not necessarily the money or time to accomplish them. I would think some of the cities would be able to knock quite a few items off their list with a large influx of labor.

All of the homeless are not unskilled and I would guess the majority have something to offer. What can the states do to incentivize the majority of these people getting back to work and creating a life for them self rather than living off the system and creating no self worth? The next problem is what to do with the individuals who are mentally ill and cannot contribute like the others. Besides institutionalizing them and providing a safe place for them I am not sure what other route to go

a reply to: Stupidsecrets

It's not just Cali. And it's not the "what" so much as the "how."

Everyone has the absolute inalienable natural right to have a place to live... a home... and this absolute inalienable right has been turned into a privilege. Whereas we once structured our economy in order to maximize homeownership for the greatest benefit to individuals -- and therefore society as a whole -- we have now given investors and foreign buyers advantages and perks over the average citizen. Whereas our property rights once protected our continued residence -- for example, liens against deeds rather than non-judicial foreclosures -- today there are myriad ways that property rights can be denied and properties taken.

On the other hand, no one has any natural right to own investment property. That "right" is made from whole cloth by man -- not nature and not nature's God. Natural rights ALWAYS come before man-made rights... or we suffer the consequences. In this case, increasing numbers of homeless.

It is unconscionable that an unpaid tax bill for a few hundred dollars can result in the government taking your property. It is unconscionable that mortgage payments made in good conscience can be "suspended" by mortgage servicers allowing them to take your property via fraudclosure foreclosure. It is unconscionable that our government bailed out the banksters who crashed the mortgage market rather than the homeowners victimized by the banksters.

I was born and raised in So Cal. I haven't been back for more than ten years, and I've been told that I would cry if I saw what has happened to my beloved home town... which is one of the most "gentrified" places in the country. A good friend of mine became a multi-millionaire in an instant when he inherited his childhood home. (I wasn't so lucky!)

Unless and until we correct the playing field, the homeless problem will continue to increase, as a majority of people are priced out of the market -- both homeowners and renters -- in favor of a minority of investors.

It is what it is.

a reply to: Stupidsecrets

Homelessness is primarlily a mental health issue. No one will solve this generations homelessness problem, but if the U.S. was proactive and put supports in place to help vulnerable people before homelessness happened, in the future it could be at least reduced.

I lived in So Cal about 30 years ago. The writing was on the wall then. Rows and rows of expensive apartments were going up. I knew people paying their rent with credit cards like it was no big deal. I got out of there as fast as I could. Not sustainable.

It's part of the problem for sure but the main problem is homelessness is a business model for politicians and their fraud non profit friends. They don't live near the problem for one so it's not a problem on that level. It's an easy way to bilk tax payers and line their pockets. They don't want the problem solved. Do that and the flow of easy tax dollars dries up. They can use that money for all sorts of nonsense by loosely associating it to homelessness. Want more of that money then let homelessness flourish.

It's going on in almost every major city. Even in states deemed red like TX. Houston is not red. It's dark blue and guess what they have. A homeless problem! Amazing.

First you have to ask yourself who caused the problem? And it wasn't the homeless. That should have been addressed earlier before it got to this stage. But, as Boadicea puts it, the biggest problem in a nutshell is the same mercenary answers we#re getting of the majority of poster on here. If you've got the money to buy, buy, f### the rest, Even if it puts a family on the streets. "not my concern", "they're scroungers anyway", "they're druggies or mentally ill", "they can't look after their money" etc. etc.
With no empathy whatsoever, you people make me sick to my stomach and they reckon America is a great country.
You aught to be totally ashamed of yourselves, but your not are you?

originally posted by: Stupidsecrets
a reply to: ATruGod

Compassion is compounding the problem. They need to be in a controlled facility. Away from drugs, deported or in a mental hospital. Maybe farming facility for those capable to earn income and get back on their feet. I don't have all the answers but I know pandering to them with compassion an permitting it is not a solution.

So everybody thats homeless is on Drugs, Illegal or has some form of mental illness? I've seen plenty of stories of Families that just can't afford a home...so They should be put in a controlled facility with Their children, maybe one of Your "farming facilities"?

a reply to: ATruGod

The vast majority of chronic homeless are drug addicts and a small fry short of a Happy Meal.

Yes, there are cases of families or someone down in their luck. However, those are the exception and not what people are talking a out when it comes to the homeless crisis. Those families aren't the ones sh*tting on sidewalks or living in tent cities.

In some European Soviet block countries, if you were homeless and on the street you were arrested. The thinking was that you were only able to survive by theft and stealing. Logic

Not my solution, just information given from Ukrainian and Russian friends in conversation, my friends.

As for my opinion, if one is not provided work of some kind, they will take the path of least resistance. Forced work ? Something like WPA on a federal level. Of course medical problems would of been taken into consideration.
Work in graduated degrees of difficulty to accommodate ability. Everyone must go to school in the US it's....law, so why not everyone must support themselves/work.

But, it's not that simple, some will choose never to work, instead be a ward of the state.

here is southern California there is a lot (probably several square miles per city) of unused Edison land under the big power lines that's usually leased to large nurseries..if we turned that land into affordable housing / camping it would help....imagine .....ok for rv's to camp, tent camping, even tiny houses all set up in tiny neighborhoods. make the spots affordable have work programs, addiction programs and have the resources all on site like community showers, electricity, plumbing etc and have it secured like any other campsite....those who don't meet the criteria can have there own little section that's more secured

A big part of the problem for those that are mentally ill, is that all the big mental hospitals where shut down in the late 80's.
Yes, there were abuses going on. So, instead of cleaning them up, we shut them all down.

Where are any now?
We have rehabs, halfway houses, all kinds of temporary help. Where are the long term, or lifetime facilities? They are needed. But we just keep ignoring that fact.

There will always be a homeless problem as there will always be some people who simply can't function in society for a variety of reasons.

The issue is that the only "solution" to the problem means stepping on people's rights. The reality is that a large number of the homeless are mentally ill and extreme drug addicts. No amount of money, shelters, soup kitchens, tent cities, etc are going to help these people. They simply cannot function in society.

The only thing we can do is to forcibly remove them from the streets. They need to be institutionalized in facilities that can care for them by providing rehab or long term mental care.

Well said and spot on...we have a big problem here in Vegas...The politicians want to arrest the homeless because of their presence and visual affect on the tourism industry... I have a solutiin and have started a grass root effort to make a difference...assuming the politicians dont have shares in private prison corporations..a reply to: Boadicea

To house a prisoner costs an average of about 33 thousand dollars a year...times that by several thousand...who will pay that number? Those with shares in private prison corps would greatly prosper of course... There needs to be a will and a desire to help those in need but there is not because there is no money to be made..ra reply to: Edumakated