My new idea on Shanksville

a reply to: AlexandrosTheGreat

Fascinating, isn't it, that the manifests on that day did not contain the names of the mythical hijackers?

When that fact was noted, the authorities scrambled quickly to 'edit' the manifests so that they might support the official fantasy.

a reply to: Salander

Again

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Salander

If that were true, why did Wallace Miller the county coroner tell the media they found nothing suggesting an airliner had crashed there? No bodies, no baggage, no airline parts?

If you speak truth, by all means provide the quote and cite the source?

You

UA93 was still reporting in on the ACARS system somewhere in Illinois, 30 minutes after it supposedly crashed in Pennsylvania.

As usual, your backwards. ACARS was trying to communicate with flight 93. Please post evidence that UA93 actually transmitted a message.

All you have is false claims.

Your making claims that you cannot back up with actual facts.

Link to evidence flight 93 was broadcasting after it crashed.

All you have is false claims.

Unless you can cite actual proof?

originally posted by: AlexandrosTheGreat
Everyone is asking where the bodies are...people should look into the manifests of the flights and the strange circumstances surrounding them. I personally am more or less of the opinion that maybe 15-20 people, if any, died in the four flights on 911. Yea it sounds crazy, but what a better way to pull off what was needed than actually killong hundreds of people.

No planes is a diversion. Planes were hijacked on 9/11. The evidence though shows some elite Saudis were committed to helping the 9/11 hijackers and set up their network inside the United States to achieve the mission. The FBI followed numerous people across the world and was called Operation Encore. Many FBI agents pursued, real leads, but the suspects refused to talk to them and denied everything and Saudi Government protested and they were let go. There was well known divide in the FBI about the Saudis role in 9/11. The CIA even hindered operations after 9/11 to entrap 9/11 suspects. FBI agents believed the Saudis were often tipped off about ongoing investigations. 
The evidence shows the CIA was playing some sort of double game.

a reply to: Hulseyreport

Neither you nor the 911 Commission can prove that planes were hijacked that day.

They and you can repeat the official narrative, but that doesn't prove it to be true. They can repeat the official narrative that Saddam had WMD time and again, but that does not prove it.

Mere repetition of a falsehood does not make it suddenly come true.

a reply to: Salander

Then where did the jets go that flew out of the airports? Tracked by radar. Why did loved ones not end up at their destinations? How did their DNA and remains end up at the crash sites? With the hijackers remains and DNA? What did radar track to the crash sites? What caused the damage at the crash sites? Who flew the jets to the crash sites? How did the wreckage end up at the crash sites?

a reply to: Salander

Again

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Salander

If that were true, why did Wallace Miller the county coroner tell the media they found nothing suggesting an airliner had crashed there? No bodies, no baggage, no airline parts?

If you speak truth, by all means provide the quote and cite the source?

You

UA93 was still reporting in on the ACARS system somewhere in Illinois, 30 minutes after it supposedly crashed in Pennsylvania.

As usual, your backwards. ACARS was trying to communicate with flight 93. Please post evidence that UA93 actually transmitted a message.

All you have is false claims.

Your making claims that you cannot back up with actual facts.

Link to evidence flight 93 was broadcasting after it crashed.

All you have is false claims.

Unless you can cite actual proof?

I guess you do not speak truth, and you make false claims.

The Government story on 9/11 is the Conspiracy. Anybody who could be punished would be charged on CONSPIRACY to commit terrorist attacks.

a reply to: penroc3
The exercises over the atlantic were in concert with live terror attack scenario over land.
Fly 4 planes loaded with people over the atlantic into live exercise where they're shot down,
fly 4 empty planes from over the atlantic to take their place at desired locations.

Boston crap was a live exercise right across the street for crying out loud.
Nobody is going to cop-to taking part in such a heinous act, especially if getting money in return.

Maybe connect dots of background of suicides? By then another live exercise like event 201 will have unfolded and hoodwink us again?

Being able to read the writing on the wall is DS strategy, I guess.

It's right there for the world to contemplate over a plate of mashed potatoes. No need to add starch.

Yup. Just an opinion I read somewhere on the internet.

a reply to: Zaphod58


how do you have a large scatted debris field of thing that were inside the aircraft with out it starting to fall apart in the air.


the question is what made it start to break up?

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: Hulseyreport

Neither you nor the 911 Commission can prove that planes were hijacked that day.

They and you can repeat the official narrative, but that doesn't prove it to be true. They can repeat the official narrative that Saddam had WMD time and again, but that does not prove it.

Mere repetition of a falsehood does not make it suddenly come true.

Well, look - another mindless Luddite.

I know for a *fact* where 2 of them went.

Into the WTC.

I know it for a fact because I was there and saw it with my own eyes.

Did your mother have any kids that lived?

a reply to: Riffrafter

Yes, you saw 2 airplanes strike the towers, but likely the full and complete truth is that you saw 1, but did not see 2. Likely you saw the second plane strike, but were not looking in the right place at the right time when the first plane struck.

Quite a few people DID see the first plane strike, and they called NYPD with their report, as good citizens do. And almost to a man, they reported that the airplane they saw strike the north tower was a smaller plane, perhaps a commuter or corporate type aircraft.

But it doesn't matter which plane(s) you saw with your own eyes. The planes you did see were NOT AA11 and UA175. You and the government cannot prove which airplanes struck the towers, but you accept at face value what your gubmint told you.

I am skeptical of what the gubmint tells me. The craft that struck the towers were not the craft the gubmint said they were.

What does all that have to do with Shanksville?

a reply to: Salander

Same old BS. New day. Other than tracked by radar to the towers. The wreckage and DNA of the Crews, Passengers, and hijackers found with the WTC victims. And you have no explanation for the radar data, where the passengers and crews of the flights ended up. And why they didn’t return to their loved ones.

a reply to: neutronflux

Your awkward appeal to emotion falls on deaf ears NF. You spam these 911 threads with your goofy pictures that prove nothing, then come up with this latest.

The radar was spoofed, as Michael Ruppert covered in his book "Crossing the Rubicon" many years ago. Did you know that radar can be spoofed?

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: neutronflux

Your awkward appeal to emotion falls on deaf ears NF. You spam these 911 threads with your goofy pictures that prove nothing, then come up with this latest.

The radar was spoofed, as Michael Ruppert covered in his book "Crossing the Rubicon" many years ago. Did you know that radar can be spoofed?

Really. I am referring to actual evidence. Your the one grasping for straws. How’s was the radar “spoofed”?

a reply to: Salander

Your not saying the radar was spoofed. Your saying air craft in mid air (four in all for your WTC fantasy) swapped places on the radar data. Your saying two plans materialize out of thin air, swapped places in mid air with two jets tracked from take off. With no explanation where the original jets flew to. With no explanation where the passengers and crew went. With no explanation how the right jet wreckage, right passenger/crew DNA, and how the right personal effects ended up at the WTC. Even if you ignore passports. With no explanations why the passengers and crews that boarded flight’s 11 and 175 did not return home to their loved ones. But the coroner provide remains.

a reply to: neutronflux

there is nothing that can convince me that shanksville wasn't shot down or had a bomb go off on it.

THIS is the EXACT event that could result in a shoot down of a US civilian airliner by US forces, at that point when the aircraft went down the US was at war....and im sure the order to shoot down non compliant aircraft went out.

i think once the hijackers(if there were any still alive on the aircraft) when they saw the tracer fire or the fighter break off to attack the aircraft they just nosed dived and maybe eve set off a small device that opened the aircraft up so stuff like papers and light stuff got sucked out the small hole.

the 30 degree inverted dive with the throttles to balls to the wall makes no sense to me, i tried it a few times in my simulator and every time it broke up well before ground level.

as the american people are we not entitled to see the evidence in the trial, like the wreckage at iron mountain? at least in pictures now that it has been returned to the owners.

it would also be interesting to see that days total US Air Force ordinance count and the count at the end of the day, or at least matnicance reports and unloading reports to see if any of the intercept jets came home a little light.

a reply to: penroc3

What aircraft shot down the jet? Or where was the missile launched from?

a reply to: neutronflux

i have no idea.

are you saying that its impossible

a reply to: penroc3

Typical "truther logic ………

If the plane was destroyed by a bomb in flight, then debris would have been scattered for miles

METROJET 9268

en.wikipedia.org...

Reuters quoted an unnamed security officer as saying that the aircraft had been completely destroyed.[46] Wreckage was scattered over 20 square kilometres (8 sq mi; 6 sq nmi), with the forward section about 5 kilometres (3.1 mi; 2.7 nmi) from the tail, indicating that the aircraft had broken up during flight.[47] Aerial images of the wreckage broadcast on RT indicated that the wings were intact until impact.[48] The debris pattern, combined with an initial interpretation of the aircraft's abrupt changes in altitude and airspeed, reinforced the presumption that the aircraft's tail separated during flight and fell separately

At Shanksville the wreckage was concentrated - except for some scraps of paper and foil which were carried on wind.
the debris was found in small area,. A piece of jet engine rolled several hundred feet down hill was the furthest piece

Same for shootdown - debris would have been found for considerable distances

Malaysia MH 17

en.wikipedia.org...

The majority of debris landed near Hrabove, a village located north of Torez in eastern Ukraine's Donetsk Oblast. The debris spread over a 50 square kilometres (19 sq mi) area to the southwest of Hrabove.[7]:53 The fireball on impact is believed to have been captured on video.[64] Photographs from the site of the crash show scattered pieces of broken fuselage and engine parts, bodies, and passports.[65] Some of the wreckage fell close to houses.[66] Dozens of bodies fell into crop fields, and some fell into houses.[67]

a reply to: firerescue

first of all i am not a truther im just asking questions that i dont know the answers to

sharing knowledge should be done humbly




i was thinking that if they people who took over the aircraft knew they were about to hit the ground in a few seconds anyway might have blown up a device if they had one.