Corona Virus Updates

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: celltypespecific

They know where it came from, it came from that lab and that's why Canada remove or arrest that lady

They just dont to admit that it came from a secret biological weapons program

If you think its a biological weapon, why are you not concerned? And only seem to be concerned about telling people they are over reacting. 🤔

Ironically I 'would' like to hear your "I told you so" post in weeks to come. Just seemed a little contradictory though.

a reply to: Nyiah

Because asians live in China?

originally posted by: FinallyAwake

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: celltypespecific

They know where it came from, it came from that lab and that's why Canada remove or arrest that lady

They just dont to admit that it came from a secret biological weapons program

If you think its a biological weapon, why are you not concerned? And only seem to be concerned about telling people they are over reacting. 🤔

Ironically I 'would' like to hear your "I told you so" post in weeks to come. Just seemed a little contradictory though.

I'm personally entertaining two origin theories. One being there are genetic changes, probably hard to detect by us, but like a wide open gate for viruses, in the Chinese population. I've wondered if this was brought about by decades/a couple generations of living in heavy pollution and poor (relatively speaking) general hygiene. Epigenetic changes at work right in front of us, in short. This is assuming the virus did hop species, as claimed, so a natural freak virus latching on to a group it finds favorable for some reason.

The other theory I've pondered is that it's a targeted bioweapon that THEY accidentally released. We know how much they love detractors, they love them so much they stuff them in "re-education camps". Or harvest their organs. Either way, they have no ethical qualms about using those people, means to and end and all. What if China was trying to develop a bioweapon, and managed to nail the genetic targeting of it? And used those people as test subjects to see it in action, evaluate it's progress, etc? I could see this happening, and it failing on them (not being targeted quite well enough, being too broad)

Until I see black Africans, Arabs, Hispanics/Latinos, Europeans, Natives dropping in droves like the Chinese, I'm MUCH more inclined to suspect it's targeting them for a reason, and maybe ONLY a specific haplogroup to boot. Thus, at the moment, I'm personally not remotely worried. If the other races of the globe begin to die at a similar rate to the Chinese, then I'll squirm a bit and eat crow. If they do not, or never do, THEN I'm coming back here and rubbing it in. Hard.

originally posted by: weirdguy
a reply to: Nyiah

Because asians live in China?

They sure do. Kind of originate from there, cool huh?

But you're missing the point. A 2 week Typhoid Mary window in this travel-lovin' era keeps being hollered about. 2 weeks from Sick Person 1 in China to Sick Person 2, 3, 4, in Canada or the US, etc.

It's been at least 4 weeks, the December origin time frame is fairly well accepted. Hell, it's postulated it goes back as far as November. That's MORE than enough time shed and to ravage other populations, but it hasn't. It stuck to just one group.

Is that a little clearer?

Japan reports new case of coronavirus in person who has no history of traveling to Wuhan - TBS

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"Japan is reporting its first case of an individual who has not been to Wuhan, China, but has contracted the novel coronavirus. The case is one of two new infections reported Tuesday," The Japan Times tweeted on Tuesday.

a reply to: Nyiah

I think what you are observing is the sheer size of the asian population in China compared to non-asians in China.
There is no evidence that this is a bioweapon, do you have any sources apart from the Israeli guy?
How do you know the ethnicity of every infected person? Or are you just having a hunch?

BREAKING: Hong Kong to restrict travel from the mainland

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China coronavirus: Hong Kong government to drastically cut down on cross-border travel with mainland by closing railways, reducing bus services and cutting flights by half
Officials stop short of ordering a total border shutdown as demanded by legislators from across the political spectrum

I think thats the first time in history thats happened..
let me double check that..

Hongkongers are urged to return from the mainland & stay at home for 14 days.

originally posted by: weirdguy
a reply to: Nyiah

I think what you are observing is the sheer size of the asian population in China compared to non-asians in China.
There is no evidence that this is a bioweapon, do you have any sources apart from the Israeli guy?
How do you know the ethnicity of every infected person? Or are you just having a hunch?

I never said it was a bioweapon for sure, just that it's one of two personal theories rolling around my noggin. Big difference, origin theories are just my personal opinion thus far.

As to the ethnicities of those sick abroad from China, I've been scouring news articles for that info, or lack thereof. Ultimately, it's a hunch because there does seem to be a drive to keep the ethnicities hush-hush. BUT I think this might be playing out like when a criminal's ethnicity is withheld from the news -- the obvious is kept quiet. Probably to avoid racism against people in this case, which is admirable, but...come on, we're adults. Why hide that? it's not like it's enough to ID someone with.

While the human cost of a pandemic (if this is what is developing) is foremost in minds at the moment, its interesting to consider the associated impact.

The world today is built on integrated supply chains, and importantly they are centred in Asia (manufacturing particularly). The impact on society could be significantly bigger than the actual illness as our integrated and consumer led economies feel the impact!

I know we are no where near that yet, but this piece was interesting.

transportgeography.org...

a reply to: Nyiah

Maybe you could look into the ethnicity of SARS victims. The majority would still be asian but there may be data to show it can happen.

a reply to: MuldersMate

Unrealistic scenario... except when it happened with spanish flu.

Spanish flu infected less than a third of the population.

I'll leave you to your opinion and come back in a week for the apology.

What would you like an apology for?

a reply to: flice

Is that estimate in total, or is he saying just in Hong Kong?

a reply to: Agit8dChop

Well... crap hell. There's one of main events a number of us were watching for to indicate how bad this would be. I guess the only possible good news would be found in knowing whether the person who gave it to them was symptomatic when the shedding happened.

Hong Kong government to drastically cut down on cross-border travel with mainland by closing railways, reducing bus services and cutting flights by half.

www.scmp.com... m=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1580202175

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: Agit8dChop

Well... crap hell. There's one of main events a number of us were watching for to indicate how bad this would be. I guess the only possible good news would be found in knowing whether the person who gave it to them was symptomatic when the shedding happened.

Apparently (according to the article) its the second instance of Human to Human outside of China, the first being Germany.
I haven't looked to confirm that.

We need to know how easily it spread human to human, were these people living together or did they go to the same gym together etc?

a reply to: Nyiah

2 weeks from Sick Person 1 in China to Sick Person 2, 3, 4, in Canada or the US, etc.

This is the most interesting thing to me. Two weeks ago is when this became pretty public news. People at that point were already infected and traveling around the US, yet we have 5 confirmed cases and none of them were people who didn't travel directly to wuhan? How is that possible.

Consider, if my friend ben, had traveled to wuhan in late december/early january. He then saw all this on the news and went to the hospital last week. I would be right behind him to get checked out. As would a number of people ben had been in contact with. Not only that, all of the people I had been in contact with should also be concerned.

Unless of course, it doesn't spread very well before symptoms, but spreads like wildfire when the symptoms hit.

a reply to: Agit8dChop

Im guessing that we will start to get those answers next week as the 2 week incubation period comes to an end.

Just found this li nk

Lots of technical info I lack the knowledge to understand.

It means the novel ZS bat-CoV was owned by Chinese military labs only. In the
papers above, they have clarified that ZS bat-CoV has potential cross-species
Pic. 3
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transmission, including human, also emphasized that it is significant for public health.
The full genome sequence of certain strains of ZS bat-CoV were released in Genbank
of NIH (accession numbers MG772844 through MG772934), provided by Nanjing

21 Jan, the first paper studied 2019 nCoV is published in a journal under Chinese
Academy of Sciences, from Beijing Institute of Pharmacology and Toxicology
(belonging to military) and Chinese Academy of Sciences (3). In that paper, they
mentioned that the natural host of 2019 nCoV may be certain bat (not directly
mentioned ZS bat-CoV). In their official Chinese introduction for this paper, they
stressed the key point of their finding as: “To be surprised”, compared with SARS
CoV, 4 of 5 amino acid changed in the receptor binding domain (RBD) of S protein in
2019 nCoV, but still maintains the core structure to support strong interaction with
human ACE2 molecules “in a very perfect way”. It means 2019 nCoV could infect
human respiratory epithelial cells in the same way as what SARS CoV did (pic. 27).

originally posted by: johnb
Just found this li nk

Lots of technical info I lack the knowledge to understand.

It means the novel ZS bat-CoV was owned by Chinese military labs only. In the
papers above, they have clarified that ZS bat-CoV has potential cross-species
Pic. 3
3
transmission, including human, also emphasized that it is significant for public health.
The full genome sequence of certain strains of ZS bat-CoV were released in Genbank
of NIH (accession numbers MG772844 through MG772934), provided by Nanjing

21 Jan, the first paper studied 2019 nCoV is published in a journal under Chinese
Academy of Sciences, from Beijing Institute of Pharmacology and Toxicology
(belonging to military) and Chinese Academy of Sciences (3). In that paper, they
mentioned that the natural host of 2019 nCoV may be certain bat (not directly
mentioned ZS bat-CoV). In their official Chinese introduction for this paper, they
stressed the key point of their finding as: “To be surprised”, compared with SARS
CoV, 4 of 5 amino acid changed in the receptor binding domain (RBD) of S protein in
2019 nCoV, but still maintains the core structure to support strong interaction with
human ACE2 molecules “in a very perfect way”. It means 2019 nCoV could infect
human respiratory epithelial cells in the same way as what SARS CoV did (pic. 27).

Great read before bed.

Japan's health minister Katsunobu Kato has announced that two more people have been confirmed infected with the new coronavirus in Japan.

Kato said on Tuesday that one of them has no record of staying in the Chinese city of Wuhan in Hubei Province, the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak. The person is the first to be confirmed infected despite having no record of staying in Wuhan.

Kato also said the person is a bus driver in Nara Prefecture who drove for tourists from Wuhan twice in January.

The number of people confirmed infected with the virus in Japan has reached six.

www3.nhk.or.jp...