Corona Virus Updates

HHS secretary press conference going on right now...

We are banning foreigners from China now? And any US citizen who has traveled to Wuhan in the last 2 weeks will be quarantined for 2 weeks. Other US citizens who traveled to mainland China will be in self isolation for up to 2 weeks.

Not sure about the foreigners from China being temporarily banned. Can someone confirm? (I had to get on my laptop, as ATS on my phone wouldn't go through)

a reply to: Advantage

You’re right and only if they go into septic shock or develop the respiratory syndromes. The thing is, we are much better at recognizing early septic shock from viral pneumonia and we have better public health systems.

If we focus on treating inflammation we will have much lower complication rates than the Chinese.

What stinks is the primary symptom is a long lasting cough, one that makes you dizzy with no sneezing or nasal issues. Masks will be less effective and this thing will spread like wildfire, even with quarantine. I want to know how it’s spreading so easy without symptoms early on, 5-7 days to pass to people in the same cluster is fast. Kids or animals like cats or ferrets could pass it back and forth as well like with other coronavirus diseases.

a reply to: Gargoyle91

True, but few of those cases are 'mature' cases. There is a graph somewhere that depicts the stages of symptoms/severity. It isn't till after 7 days of symptoms developing that patients tend to require ICU treatment.

Additionally consider that 213 died and 222 recovered. You either live or die and it's currently sitting at 49% to 51%. The number of recent cases has only just began to climb exponentially so the fatality rate will be more telling as cases mature.

originally posted by: TheAMEDDDoc
a reply to: Advantage

You’re right and only if they go into septic shock or develop the respiratory syndromes. The thing is, we are much better at recognizing early septic shock from viral pneumonia and we have better public health systems.

If we focus on treating inflammation we will have much lower complication rates than the Chinese.

What stinks is the primary symptom is a long lasting cough, one that makes you dizzy with no sneezing or nasal issues. Masks will be less effective and this thing will spread like wildfire, even with quarantine. I want to know how it’s spreading so easy without symptoms early on, 5-7 days to pass to people in the same cluster is fast. Kids or animals like cats or ferrets could pass it back and forth as well like with other coronavirus diseases.

This isnt your average virus. This is my second debriefing in a week and we have a "telebriefing" this afternoon with a representative from the CDC. Its not just lasting cough.. its effecting multiple organs and causing long term damage.

a reply to: WeAllWait

With everything taken into consideration, I cannot wrap my head about why there are 34 OUTBOUND flights from Wuhan and Guangzhao ALONE. 34... in the air.. RIGHT NOW.

With the case building that this is an engineered virus it makes perfect sense. They gotta spread their little baby of death and destruction to save the planet. Makes about as much sense as 9/11.

originally posted by: Tukota
a reply to: jedi_hamster

Question: On the Maphub.net site when you click on the state of KS it reads "1 Suspected Case"; but when you click on the state of NV it reads "1 Unconfirmed Case". What do you make of the difference in wording?

I went back through and NV is the only yellow state that reads 1 Unconfirmed. Every other state reads 'Suspected'. It just makes me wonder if the use of the word Unconfirmed means that it is about to be confirmed, or has a higher chance than the 'suspected' cases. Thank you for the info Blackrabbit1 about maphub vs BNO and Johns Hopkins. I'll check out those sites now.

Dr fegil concludes by saying *Apparently I’m not alone thinking this paper’s conclusion is “bat-#” wild (pardon the pun). We need to replicate this study now before the world goes mad. Let’s all pause and hold our breath please 😷."

a reply to: UFO1414

Another report of the infected person appearing asymptomatic and originally tested negative.

The woman's case is different from Ontario's first two confirmed cases, health officials said, because she originally tested negative for coronavirus and was initially asymptomatic.

www.cbc.ca...

This bolsters the idea that there are many walking around infected.



And this nonsense:

Dr. David Williams, Ontario's chief medical officer of health, said she is unlikely to have passed on the virus to others. The woman wore a surgical mask during her journey from Wuhan and put herself in self-isolation after arriving in London, only leaving her home to visit the hospital.

"There's been no risk at all to Ontarians," Williams said. "Returning travellers have been very responsible."

To say it’s “unlikely” that she passed it on and then there is “no” risk to Ontarians is nonsensical. If there was no risk then you would have said she didn’t pass it on. But they don’t know for certain, so they can’t say there is no risk.

And how can they say the returning passengers have been responsible? They couldn’t even find some of them that were in close proximity to the original couple who tested positive!

Is it just me, or is this type of nonsense infuriating to others? It gives me zero faith in our system. And by zero, I mean absolutely none...

Two more BOIIIISSS!!!

Headed your way comin in hot!


TWO ORDERS OF INFECTED PLAGUE VICTIMS, TABLE 22!



files.abovetopsecret.com...



P.S. all the planes im tracking atm are outbounds from Wuhan and Guangzhou, lots of activity in austrilia?

I haven't been keeping up to date on why they have so many planes from Wuhan and Guangzhou entering.

a reply to: Alphasan

Neither proven, debunked, nor disproven at this point.
But you know how folks are...

If this WuWuFlu™ was bio-engineered: that still doesn't mean that necessarily came from the level-4 lab in Wuhan, nor Canada.

How many bio-experts from around the world visited their new lab there, since the beginning of December ?
Wuhan is a big city, with many tourists, and business folks, passing through there every day.
Some '12 Monkeys' type of scenario ?

originally posted by: Tukota
a reply to: jedi_hamster

Question: On the Maphub.net site when you click on the state of KS it reads "1 Suspected Case"; but when you click on the state of NV it reads "1 Unconfirmed Case". What do you make of the difference in wording?

I believe whoever is moderating/updating that MapHub tracker is being careful only to use language that is used in the source - several days ago when news hit about the first "possible" case in British Columbia (Canada), it was marked as a "preliminary" case, or something to that effect. When I looked into it further it was the sourced article that used that same language, when most of the other cases were either "suspected" of "confirmed" cases.

Yes it is hitting China harder. But that's because it had been spreading there for a month. It's only just reaching all countries so you need to compare us in 1 month time.

This only kills 1 in 10. So China don't care about those rates, maybe happy to lose that population. But as others point out, bioweapon is to destroy the enemies organization.

No way will Australia do as good job trying to contain this as China can. Thai land had admitted defeat yesterday saying, we can't contain this.

We are only at very beginning of international out break. Deaths occurred 14 days in. Mass infection at around 28 days. Got about 10 days to buy supplies before hysteria begins around world.

The genome sequence of 2019-CoV shows that Orf8 is intact. If it is not lost during subsequent virus circulation in humans, the outbreak could be more severe.

Realize this is the start of something that can go ham or not. We DONT KNOW. Sars burnt out because of a fortuitous change when it mutated. Not sure why this one scares some so bad that it wont mutate to a less severe controllable form. I think cause its so easily passed.

originally posted by: jedi_hamster

originally posted by: AngelsDecay

originally posted by: misfit312
a reply to: khnum

I've been seeing this too.

Can any med people chime in? I'm hearing HIV strands were found but a few are saying that's false.

Yeahh absolutely true... If it is on the net it's because it's true... Besides HIV this virus also has a percentage of Ebola, Zika and some Nepalese doctors are pretty sure it could also carry some tiphoid with it... Peace and beer

tell that to that scientist from Harvard.

twitter.com...

My dear fórum colleague Jedi.. Besides the fact Mr Eric Ding he is a respected Harvard scientist it doesn't give him the right to be the owner of science total truth... Like any other science man, doctor, engineer, etc, some agree with him, other make jokes about him and others simply ignore or call him a type of opportunist guy taking profit and fame with all of this...personally I don't fall in love sharing links because it is what it is, and I only know how to fly a plane or playing guitar, not virulogist at all...

www.theatlantic.com...

originally posted by: Gargoyle91
a reply to: jedi_hamster

I don't think you could keep a number like 10,000 secret in the US .

You also could if most cases don't reach severe levels too.

The infection chain in Germany had 5 infections known and none of them reached severe levels ... well, no one knows what happened to the Chinese lady who brought it in, but the German guy never developed severe illness ... neither did his colleagues.

If this thing has been circulating in China for longer than the press has been reporting, it well could be here already, and it's possible some have already had it without knowing it.

www.cnbc.com...

3:50 pm: Trump issues mandatory quarantine, denies foreign nationals entry
The Trump administration is issuing a mandatory quarantine for U.S. citizens who’ve visited Hubei province in the last 14 days and denying entry to foreign nationals who “pose a risk of transmitting” the virus in the U.S., administration officials said in declaring the coronavirus a public health emergency. “Any US citizen returning to the United States who has been in the Hubei province in the previous 14 days will be subject to up to 14 days of mandatory quarantine to ensure they’re provided proper medical care and health screening,” Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar said.

Day late and a dollar short, but huge, huge news none the less.

originally posted by: khnum
If someone links to the daily mail uk you will see 4 buses carrying people off to quarantine its the horseman bus lines get it 4 horsemen the poms at least have a sense of humor

If you look closely, there are 6 coaches not 4.

www.dailystar.co.uk...

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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
www.cnbc.com...

3:50 pm: Trump issues mandatory quarantine, denies foreign nationals entry
The Trump administration is issuing a mandatory quarantine for U.S. citizens who’ve visited Hubei province in the last 14 days and denying entry to foreign nationals who “pose a risk of transmitting” the virus in the U.S., administration officials said in declaring the coronavirus a public health emergency. “Any US citizen returning to the United States who has been in the Hubei province in the previous 14 days will be subject to up to 14 days of mandatory quarantine to ensure they’re provided proper medical care and health screening,” Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar said.

Day late and a dollar short, but huge, huge news none the less.

Thanks for providing link. Posted this at top of the page while press conference was ongoing.

This seems to contradict what the HHS secretary just said, particularly in spirit.
www.politico.com...

The Trump administration is planning to evacuate additional Americans next week from the region of China at the center of the Wuhan coronavirus outbreak, and officials are considering a mandatory order for all U.S. citizens there to leave, two officials told POLITICO.

LEAVE THEM THERE!!! Don't be a dumbass, dumbass.

We have pondered about possibility of this virus being bioweapon, scientist around the world are finding oddities in it.
WHO was kissing China´s behind in all conferences.
What are your thoughts, are goverments trying to keep World peace by hiding the facts and they have exact information about the virus being a bioweapon. Was WHO towards China so kind because it wanted to show to all governments by their example that for World peace.. no finger pointing towards China.