Star trek Picard ....is frigging amazing!!!

So I saw it and I couldn't help but feel like it was too short for a series premiere. And while there were enough goodies in there to make me happy, it's a bit troubling that there are those same hallmarks of the kind of mediocre Trek they've been feeding us since the late 90s. It's kind of like Picard has been plopped down in some special-effects laden (but generic) sci-fi story. There was something kind of uninspired about it.

Stewart is obviously natural in the Picard role but the script is a bit off. It looks and sounds like Picard but (for example) I think he got too emotionally invested too quickly and seemed unnatural for Picard. I think TNG Picard would have been more suspicious and more careful if some stranger showed up like that.

I guess I give it a thumbs up for effort though. We need Trek more than ever now and this might be the closest we're ever gonna get.

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: RalagaNarHallas
I always found number one to be irritating. Not my favorite casting for a Star Trek role.

Unsurprising, since his role is totally ALPHA male, which you obviously detest...

I'm looking forward to watching - just wish I didn't have to subcribe to CBS...

Maybe I can wait until it comes out on blueray...

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: RalagaNarHallas

TNG will always be my Number one. I'm looking Ten Forward to seeing this movie and despite the critics & Data analyzing, I think that crying Worf is an absolute waste of time. I could never get Borg of watching Star Trek.

Not bad playing on words...

originally posted by: RalagaNarHallas
a reply to: Nyiah

just a theory but i think what ever is going on in the cube is not exactly sanctioned by what is left of the Romulen government and that this may be what is left of the tal shiar reclaiming Romulen drones from the disabled borg cube kind of how 7 got de-borgified by janeway if that makes sense

Yeah, I assumed it's probably an illicit Tal Shiar op, but since the twin is on the cube, my money is on a hinky, still illicit, Tal Shiar/Section 31 project. Probably to do with advancing the Synthetics with Borg tech, or Synth/human hybrids. The former of which, I have to sidetrack here & point out, would a very natural evolution of androids with Maddox's involvement & tech evolution, or access to better tech. He was obsessed to high holy hell and did NOT get his toy to disassemble and study (Measure of a Man) So it stands to reason that after Data's demise, he'd finally have had access to what was left of his bits and pieces to study and draw from for experimentation. Now, I don't recall Data's parts being collected after he died, but that does not mean someone didn't slink over in the shadows and scan around the area until they found every last spec they possibly could. And B4 is in Daystrom storage, which means whatever of Data was left in his Positronic net was stored quite literally steps from Maddox.

Anyway, back to the Tal Shiar & S31 project lovechild possibility -- It wouldn't be the first time they had connections on/to Romulus ( *cough * Hello, Sloan, *cough* Somebody had to have helped him there)

the only other some what mistifying thing is if you payed attention in Next gen data and lore were not the only androids even if you count Lahal or how ever its spelled there was the character who was basically Datas "mother" who for all intents and purposes was a replication of humanity that data never got to even with his emotion chip, she could cry ,emote and appeared to be well human BUT w only Captain Picard and data knowing who/what she really is she may still be out in the universe somewhere despite the ban

It's not mystifying, and Lal isn't out there, she's dead. The only part of her that remained, aside from maybe disassembled parts stored somewhere, was her memories, in Data. The Offspring was an excellent episode, you ended up really feeling for Data and Lal. The admiral that wanted to take Lal to the Daystrom facility on Galor 4 is what set off the, basically in a nutshell, android panic attack that lead to her system failures & ultimately, death. Data transferred her memories to himself. But she is definitely not just out walking around somewhere.

Edit: Sorry I misunderstood here, you mean Juliana Tainer still being out there, not Lal. You're right in that she could still be out there somewhere, even the books left her continued existence a question mark at best. Since only a handful of people knew she was an android -- Data, Picard, La Forge, Riker, and Crusher, I believe, it would stand to reason they'd keep their mouths shut after the ban. She gave them no reason in Inheritance to do otherwise.

and if you had told me maddox would ever redeem him self after what happened in measure of a man id have laughed tell i saw this episode

I don't think Maddox has redeemed himself by any means, I think he was always on the precipice of going off the deep end. His ethics were already ready & willing in Measure of a Man, and if he's not doing anything on the level for Starfleet, I have to assume this is work hes doing on the down-low for S31, and whoever they're partnered with.

I am not a hardcore fan of star trek, but I like it.

I felt the writing in this 1st episode was not very good. It felt predictable and not exciting. The visual effects like the girl jumping to the stairs was bad, and when we see Picard running from behind, you can clearly see it's not him. Wait&see but I don't hold my breath.

originally posted by: BrianFlanders

originally posted by: Nyiah
One thing that I'm liking a hell of a lot is Picard's Romulan employees -- it's not that they act human, it's that there's finally a depiction of them (outside of the Reunificationist underground Reunification 1 & 2) that isn't conniving, sneaky and backstabby. Don't get me wrong, Romulans are my favorite Trek enemy for exactly that reason, but the whole damn race can't act like their RSE Navy and Tal Shiar brethren. So for me, the softer, more approachable Romulan civilians feels like there's finally a solidified depiction balance.

The Cardassians were more true to life enemies (IMO).

The Cardassians run a close second for me, but I'm the opposite of you -- to me, they don't feel quite as authentic as a threat.

Brief fan gush -- Nobody other than Marc Alaimo could have pulled off Dukat, nobody. He took that character and friggin' owned it. Kind of like Kai Winn here -- nobody other than Louise Fletcher could have pulled WInn off. And when they had Dukat dupe Winn and they were knocking boots during the Kosst Amojan book research, it was like the best unholy alliance between obvious maniacal evil, and self-serving power-hungry evil ever.

originally posted by: Nyiah
The Cardassians were more true to life enemies (IMO).

What were those things that looked like toupees? Those were the scariest.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Nyiah
The Cardassians were more true to life enemies (IMO).

What were those things that looked like toupees? Those were the scariest.

Mm, Tribbles. I hear they're good if cooked right, and send Klingons angrily running for the hills screaming obscenities. Something about a war against the toupees.

a reply to: dfnj2015

in this case number one is a pit-bull and fabulously adorable ,we see riker next week ,sorry it took so long to get back to the thread my fish tank pumps failed so been working on that all day

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

but star trek even DS9 has always pushed boundries

original series has a black woman on the bridge crew, and had the first interracial kiss during times when interracial couples were still getting attacked

the next generation lamp shaded slavery with data fighting for his life to control his own destiny ,riker kissed a multigendred being from a species that had 3 genders male female and progenitor? ,they talked about sham trials and prejudice with drum head and the attempted rail roading of that half romulen ,hell tasha yar banged data so they even had sex bots ,and barclys general miss treatment for being awkward and weird and his holo addiction

ds9 had the first lesbian kiss between dax and her former husband/wife with how the trill worked out then kira and dax i think in the mirror universe ,and they took the federation away from the everything is utopia to what happens when a utopian society has to fight for its very existence against the dominion where they were pushed to outright genocide . quark said it best oh these humans are so enlightened but take away their holo suites deprive them of food and they will become even more viscious then the most blood thirsty klingons when the chips are down. then there was religion added in the form of the prophets and the wiping out of two colony worlds by sisko in his quest for revenge against the marquis,and in the pale moonlight when the so called uber liberal hippy space socialists wacked the romulen ambasador to bring them into a war and adding of section 31 is when things got darker

voyager again had slave race parallels with the doctor,nelixs weird relationship with kess who was like 6 in her speices years i mean i could go on but they have always pushed boundires both with fans and with sociatal issues so acting like "sjw" stuff is just now being added with disco is disingenuous at best ,im far from a hippy or sjw but ive always liked star trek and the boundaries they have pushed ,and while not Burnhams biggest fan the ensamble cast tends to round it out and at least make it tolerable

were getting at least two seasons of this,3rd season of disco, and a spin off based on section 31 who is like if the cia and nsa had a baby as far as star trek goes . its like the 80s and 90s all over again trek is back i could not be more excited

a reply to: BrianFlanders

that is true this is i THINK besides the original series the shortest pilot episode

encounter at farpoint was what 120 minutes same for the pilot for ds9 and even enterprise got a two parter. but i cant remember if both episodes of diso started out as a long mini movie

on Picard i think its more he is older now see him huffing and puffing trying to keep up with the cyborg/andriod youngster but more then any captain he has been pretty much the embodiment of what it is to be a starfleet diplomat and explorer.

kirk was fly by the seat of your pants and seduce a new lady at every port of call and represents old school star fleet

sisco legit started out angry and pissed and pretty much yelled at picard and disregarded him as almost no one else in star fleet would have done let alone a lower ranking commander (baring those idiot admirals) and turned into the best captian for starfleet when they needed a warrior not a diplomat or an explorer but he even did those pretty well

then there is janeway the first female captain we got who seemed to be a hybrid of all 4 a diplomat ,explorer,willing to throw down when the time called for it and also had shades of siscos rage and petty vengeance and even a bit of kirk in that she unlike most was actually breaking new ground

archer is kind of harder to nail down because there was not even the federation yet so he had to wear many hats and the show was semi hamstrung by the writers at the time and we did not get a real conclusion (the finalie was a frigging holodeck adventure done by riker...... ok) and was so bad it killed star trek for over a decade but archer helped FOUND the federation

im blanking on the name of Discos first captain but he was played marvelously as a war captian mixed with mad scientist (he was from mirror universe) but even then when the klingons were trying to wipe out that mining colony he showed up and cleaned their clocks in heroic federation captain fashion, then we went to Saru the first alien captian we got from star trek canon, a memeber of a prey species that has to learn to not let fear and instinct control him to protect his crew

and both georgios both mirror who we got more of and prime universe captains who probably intended are mirror images of each other

but if you ask MOST people they will still say that Picard was the best embodiment of Roddenberry's vision for what star fleet was and what humanity could accomplish if we got rid of the bulk of the issues we have with each other to go out to the stars and escape our petty differences and to boldly go where no one has gone before .

i feel it wont go the full 7 seasons like past treks but hes here to pass off the torch to the new next generation of trek actors and actresses. like bones seeing off the enterprise,Picard seeing off sisco at ds9 and the joint cross over episodes of ds9 and voyager that aired seeing them off . they are doing it backwards with disco where it goes them to spock and pike before kirk was even around so almost full circle now

a reply to: Nyiah

Dukat and garak were the ones that truly brought the cardassians to life and were pretty multifaceted ,if it had not been done in the 90s bashir and Garak were suposed to have ended up having a relationship ,as the actor described garak as omni sexual and even wrote a non canon expansion of what happened after ds9 ended but in full agrement the cardiassians got way more attention as villains then the romulens did as we just did not see as much of them or the empire as we did say the Klingons

a reply to: RalagaNarHallas

I watched it, had no issue with it. It is only recently the SJW garbage has become unbearable. I have been watching since the original, Disco is the only show that was unwatchable.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

they definitely put it more on the nose then all of the other shows combined , i had more problems with Michael being pretty much the "Rey" of star trek that magically solves every thing yet we have never heard of her. i didnt like the change of the Klingon looks either but its like the 3rd time they have done that and i tend to not like change personally

they didnt make Stammets and his bf like over done least in my opinion,but was weird seeing nudity and a frigging rape scene in star trek lol ,but the space drugs were hilarious and even though a lot of people dont like her i thought Tilly was hilarious . i am pretty excited for the Pike spin off as i love Anison mounts work and he NAILED it as pike

CBS just has this on their streaming service only?

That is so disappointing

Anyone watching it for free not on cbs streaming service? If so send me the site in a dm, my normal one doesn’t have it yet

a reply to: Quantumgamer1776

Star trek Picard watch free online.

Such a hard thing to search for. . .

Opening was good. If you are uncomfortable seeing a multi ethnic cast you might call it SJW.
From what I saw it was Star Trek. Full stop.

a reply to: randomtangentsrme

Yeah I tried that of course, the first ten are cbs links, most are trailers or reviews, the rest are useless overblog and putlocker links that try to get you to sign up.

Most videos I found started with a netflix logo followed by an hour of black screen so that it looks like a full episode when searched for.

If it’s so easy to find for you, I beg of you to share a working link

Easily the best pilot or opening to a Star Trek show. Warning spoilers ahead.
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The opening sequence struck a chord with me. I have had countless dreams over the last decade. These dreams helped me come to terms with different aspects of my life. As a Star Trek fan, I loved seeing the return of the Enterprise D at the beginning of the show.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
I watched it, had no issue with it. It is only recently the SJW garbage has become unbearable.

Really? Rodenberry was a true socialist utopia advocate and that bled through in all the series he was a part of.