Is consciousness the single fundamental thing in the universe ?

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: TzarChasm

And this information is not reverse compatible. We can sense what our cells are doing, but our cells dont know what we are doing.

Hmm not necessarily. Cells know when we're in distress, so much so that they assimilate at a wound and re-organize living tissue at the point of injury. Our cells somehow have a general blueprint of our body to the degree that they can heal damage to make it look as though no damage ever occurred. Cells also detect and destroy a part of the body that is taking more resources than necessary (cancer) with a very effect percentage. Our cells also adjust their DNA expression depending on various behaviors and environmental cues of the organism as a whole. Epigenetics is the change of genetic expression on the cellular level that is what allows organisms as a whole to adjust to various environmental variability.

Our cells are very much aware of the whole.

My cells dont know what I'm eating or what I'm reading. They know what materials they have been assigned to use and in what manner, because their department comes with fairly specific instructions handed down over countless generations of trial and error. And I can look down and see that because of interference in my biology, I have an infection. My left earlobe doesn't know my right big toe is infected. And my right buttock has no idea that my teeth are dirty and need brushing (hypothetically). But my brain can assess the whole system of my anatomy and detect all of these factors without informing each individual component how the rest of the body is faring.

a reply to: TzarChasm
Our cells are preprogrammed, that's true but our cells are also continually expanding and evolving which requires making preferential choices which requires some level of conscious ability. Also, we can connect directly with our cells and DNA to override the program in order to make improvements. New research shows that organs like the heart, gut and skin contain their own 'brains ' but really, it's just that our brain and body are directly connected. The brain and body are one

originally posted by: cherokeetroy
a reply to: TzarChasm
Our cells are preprogrammed, that's true but our cells are also continually expanding and evolving which requires making preferential choices which requires some level of conscious ability. Also, we can connect directly with our cells and DNA to override the program in order to make improvements. New research shows that organs like the heart, gut and skin contain their own 'brains ' but really, it's just that our brain and body are directly connected. The brain and body are one

What you are describing is a nervous system, meaning that corporate is able to send couriers to outlying facilities with instructions to do better or else. Naturally this has limitations such as branches being "out of touch" with each other unless in close proximity ie if you get a mosquito bite on your finger, your whole hand/lower arm itches. My point is that reverse compatibility issues are proof that the cosmos are not consciously studying and recording our world and waiting for us to send them a text authorizing them to approach.

a reply to: TzarChasm
You're not looking at this from the perspective that the cosmos is us

a reply to: TzarChasm

What you truley know exists out with the realms of scienitfic study. Science allows to an extent the study of the exoteric. But never the esoteric.

What do you really know to exist. You experience three different realities. The everyday one / your inner personal experience (your phenomenology) and the reality of subconsciouses (expressed in the reality of your dream world.

The examples you are giving are based on the belief system of science. They are always limited conjecture and not reality itself.

The only reality you know exists is the one you interact with in your head. (your own subjective experience) The philosphy of science cannot prove you are having that inward experience. The reality you exist in is a consciousness world.

The only reality you truely know exists is consciousnesss (one that science cannot prove exists.) This demonstrates the limitations of the tool people are using to understand the fabric of reality.

Science is simply another religion. The biggest difference being is this one removes the soul from man.

originally posted by: cherokeetroy
a reply to: TzarChasm
You're not looking at this from the perspective that the cosmos is us

Obviously we are the universe. How could I have missed that. Clearly there is nothing except for us, and the rest of existence is just a reflection of our own majesty for us to gaze at while we contemplate how amazing we are.

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: TzarChasm

What you truley know exists out with the realms of scienitfic study. Science allows to an extent the study of the exoteric. But never the esoteric.

What do you really know to exist. You experience three different realities. The everyday one / your inner personal experience (your phenomenology) and the reality of subconsciouses (expressed in the reality of your dream world.

The examples you are giving are based on the belief system of science. They are always limited conjecture and not reality itself.

The only reality you know exists is the one you interact with in your head. (your own subjective experience) The philosphy of science cannot prove you are having that inward experience. The reality you exist in is a consciousness world.

The only reality you truely know exists is consciousnesss (one that science cannot prove exists.) This demonstrates the limitations of the tool people are using to understand the fabric of reality.

Science is simply another religion. The biggest difference being is this one removes the soul from man.

You seem to be repeating yourself a bit.

Returning to the topic, I believe I have illustrated clearly that "consciousness is a fundamental property of the universe" is just another attempt to insert our ego as a key element in existence, as ego is wont to do.

a reply to: TzarChasm
Maybe because your eyes are closed

originally posted by: cherokeetroy
a reply to: TzarChasm
Maybe because your eyes are closed

I closed my eyes, and suddenly my IQ points returned.

How about that.

a reply to: TzarChasm

You seem to be repeating yourself a bit.

SOz i do that when I am tired. Enough for the day.

a reply to: TzarChasm

You seem to be repeating yourself a bit.

SOz i do that when I am tired. Enough for the day.

a reply to: TzarChasm
Consciousness emerges, separates (branches into a phylogenetic tree) re-emerges back into 'unity consciousness' which is the creation of one body and then separates again to expand, evolve and continue the cycle of creation

Don't be a smartass with me, I'll eat you alive

originally posted by: cherokeetroy
a reply to: TzarChasm
Consciousness emerges, separates (branches into a phylogenetic tree) re-emerges back into 'unity consciousness' which is the creation of one body and then separates again to expand, evolve and continue the cycle of creation

Don't be a smartass with me, I'll eat you alive

Please show me the taxonomic tree in detail. I would love to see how you broke down the genetic background of consciousness and traced its lineage through the evolution of inorganic ideas that reproduced and shared their metaphysical traits to produce ever more complex and immaterial tulpas. You would be the first, if my memory serves.

Oh...and challenge accepted.

Btw, did you know that eating animals alive is really unhealthy? Like, Wuhan quarantine unhealthy. Food for thought.

a reply to: TzarChasm
upon your conception (when your daddy's sperm penetrated your mommy's egg), consciousness emerged, branched out in order to create all the cells of differing functions of your human body and then re-emerged back into a unified field of consciousness which then became the wholeness of you

originally posted by: cherokeetroy
a reply to: TzarChasm
upon your conception (when your daddy's sperm penetrated your mommy's egg), consciousness emerged, branched out in order to create all the cells of differing functions of your human body and then re-emerged back into a unified field of consciousness which then became the wholeness of you

What you are describing is not consciousness. It is biology, very basic biology that controls breathing and heartbeat the same way we dont have to be awake to keep our organs functioning.

con·scious·ness
/ˈkän(t)SHəsnəs/
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noun
the state of being awake and aware of one's surroundings.

But when does the magical journey of consciousness begin? Consciousness requires a sophisticated network of highly interconnected components, nerve cells. Its physical substrate, the thalamo-cortical complex that provides consciousness with its highly elaborate content, begins to be in place between the 24th and 28th week of gestation. Roughly two months later synchrony of the electroencephalographic (EEG) rhythm across both cortical hemispheres signals the onset of global neuronal integration.

www.scientificamerican.com...

originally posted by: TzarChasm
"What you are describing is not consciousness. It is biology, very basic biology that controls breathing and heartbeat the same way we dont have to be awake to keep our organs functioning."

Whatever you say


www.scientificamerican.com...

You're describing human consciousness. Consciousness itself functions on many different levels

a reply to: TzarChasm
"Returning to the topic, I believe I have illustrated clearly that "consciousness is a fundamental property of the universe" is just another attempt to insert our ego as a key element in existence, as ego is wont to do. "

The Ego ? Oh noooo not the evil villainous EGO
(a construct of the human imagination)

Do we really think that the question of the ages is answered in a forum or a book by a scientist?

By thinking He cannot be reduced to thought, even by thinking a hundred thousand times....
Says Guru Nanak in the very first opening Stanza.

I will agree in part anyway. Yes our senses limit what we see and feel. Thus is why we build things to increase our senses. For example an electron microscope. However the universe doesnt care how we interpret it in the least. We our limited to a 3rd dimension however maybe not everything in the universe is.

So how we perceive something may not be what it truly is. But the Universe could care less if their is a consciousness or not. Its interactions occur with or without us. Case in point the universe existed long before life was created

originally posted by: pranay9
Do we really think that the question of the ages is answered in a forum or a book by a scientist?

By thinking He cannot be reduced to thought, even by thinking a hundred thousand times....
Says Guru Nanak in the very first opening Stanza.

Yes, a map will always stay a map. But we can craft more precise maps, knowing that a map will never become as precise as the territory it's supposed to represent, otherwise the map would just become the territory.

originally posted by: cherokeetroy
originally posted by: TzarChasm
"What you are describing is not consciousness. It is biology, very basic biology that controls breathing and heartbeat the same way we dont have to be awake to keep our organs functioning."

Whatever you say


www.scientificamerican.com...

You're describing human consciousness. Consciousness itself functions on many different levels

Are we talking about non human consciousness? I didn't realize you were a student in such matters. Please enlighten us.