Luis Elizondo sat down for a deep dive interview with George Knapp day before yesterday.

originally posted by: spiritualarchitect
So now when pilots say they saw a flying "craft" no one wants to believe them. It's a wonder they can find their own plane on the flight deck.

Very disappointing.

It may be hard for you to accept, but the pilots are trained solely to identify known foreign aerial craft and rockets...fuel propulsion craft. Its a narrow, specialized focus, and a narrow specialized training. They have no training in identifying anomalous unknowns.

It is only human that they would project the characteristics of craft they know onto any observed, unknown anomalous phenomena.

I believe they are 100% honest, but also human when it comes to projecting our beliefs, mindsets and experience onto new experiences and unknowns.

a reply to: Markword

Will just say this mark.

We are on the same page..

That said: its next to impossible in changing some ones opion.

So dont burn yourself out as I am most definitely waiting for the next round of interviews!

As they couldn't be any more vague than this one right?

a reply to: The GUT

IMO, disclosure is in progress right now, for months at least.

Like every other political process it seems to happen in slow motion. Maybe especially in this case, in slow motion.

This is getting really entertaining.

I imagine TDL’s “entertainment” UFO division is delighted at their sinister influence on a topic that use to be somewhat serious.

Well it wasn't a balloon nor a bird. Now it's laser projections. Come on! Laser projection is at a infant state in development and very tiny results can be achieved on a table top in lab and under certain controlled conditions.

What about all the other reports from pilots both military and commercial who have seen UFO's? The TicTac is not an isolated incident. Even as far back as World War 2 there was foo fighters they called them. As for commercial flights for instance the disc chasing Japan Air Line flight 1628 over Eastern Alaska in 1986. en.wikipedia.org...

There is nothing but untouched remote land and Sea and North Pole out there. Suddenly there is a craft following them?? That is a significant incident.

a reply to: Willtell

I tend to have thread killing karma idk why.

Tom just posted a twiiter that shared the recent bigfoot pic.

I dont hate on that in any way. Let these TTSA fools roll, imo. We all fools here delving into (and experiencing sometimes) unknowns. I respect that in them and us. I love anyone standing to unravel life’s great unknowns and daring open-mind to delve into the farthest edges of any unknowns...consciousness, physics or otherwise...and there are many unknowns. Warriors roll in that space.

I would only stand against those fools who would falsely pose themselves as mystic priestesses, especially when they defer to GOVERNMENT ownership of “mystic priestess” status, as if government is sole owner of life’s sacred secrets. No one needs (or would want) government to own philosophy or religion or science or media... Especially when we all have the exact same and equal relationship to the Life’s great unkowns.

Let Life’s Great Mysteries belong to us all. Until the day anyone (government, scientists, mystics, etc.) PROVES any existential anomaly scientifically, the government cannot stand as “mystic priestess” over the people.

The burden is on government to prove alien life, if government (or government employees) want to posture “secret” knowledge of alien life. Otherwise, as all through human history, “alien life” belongs to us all...not government. A common human history.

Did alien life exist in human history? Unproven and unknown...Except for the fact that aliens (and their kin) have been immersed in human consciousness and the deepest regions of our shared-psyche throughout all human history. This is proven. These great unknowns belong to us all. Aliens swim in the subconscious of humanity itself, so to speak.

To be respected, TTSA must respect that simple truth, or PROVE “secret knowledge” otherwise. If not, any attempt to posture themselves as mystic priestesses must be scorned as TTSA’s profit seeking propaganda, some bizarre and needless psy-op, or literally some sort of narcissistic self-delusion.

originally posted by: celltypespecific
....you will learn more shortly...

I've been waiting shortly for several decades now. For UFO/Alien disclosure, for the NWO and a tonne of other stuff that is always 'just 'round teh corner'.

Heck been what now? 19 years since the 'Disclosure' Press conference in 2001.... We were all going to learn everything 'shortly' then too.
All I got from that is a abunch of people who can say "I know what I saw" and sweet FA else. Nothing to back up what they saw.

Sorry but disclosure aint going to happen anytime soon, that is if there is anything to disclose to begin with.
Those in the know aren't telling, and doubtful they will tell in the near future.

Tic Tac's are already out of the MSM eye.
If aliens were invading us or whatever, you would think every main stream media outlet wouldn't let it go until they got answers.

The majority of people don't care and are not interested. So government and alphabet agencies have no pressure to tell us anything one way or the other.

Until that changes I wouldn't be expecting anything 'soon'.

And if it all turns out to be 'human' black ops tech, then what? We just have another "Stealth Bomber" and bugger all else.

And if it is alien as in not of this Earth? They'll still probably try to keep it secret because the majority of 7 billion humans losing their sh*t, is not something anyone wants to deal with.
It will challenge many's faith and beliefs like nothing before it. And humans seem to love killing each other in the name of their faith.
I can imagine many who will want Alien blood because they'll label them 'demons' agents of the devil and all that kind of nonsense.
Plus imagine those who want to lynch folks over being a different race? How you think they'd be over a completely different species dropping by for dinner?

Some of us are ready and keen to embrace it, sadly many more of us are not. So yeah we won't see anything 'soon', same as we haven't seen the 'soons' promised in the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's and 2000's, Simply because many are far from ready for it.

So yeah unless people have solid proof 'soon' is a real thing that the rest of us are unaware of then by all means share it with us.
What authority do you have it 'soon' is coming?

Otherwise stop with the whole "disclosure is coming soon' thing please. Thanks.

a reply to: AtomicKangaroo

Otherwise stop with the whole "disclosure is coming soon' thing please. Thanks.

Yes please. Its not going to happen.

originally posted by: Markword

originally posted by: spiritualarchitect
So now when pilots say they saw a flying "craft" no one wants to believe them. It's a wonder they can find their own plane on the flight deck.

Very disappointing.

It may be hard for you to accept, but the pilots are trained solely to identify known foreign aerial craft and rockets...fuel propulsion craft. Its a narrow, specialized focus, and a narrow specialized training. They have no training in identifying anomalous unknowns.

No they are not. Not even close. It may be hard for you to accept, but the US military isn't run by idiots.

originally posted by: sean
Well it wasn't a balloon nor a bird. Now it's laser projections. Come on! Laser projection is at a infant state in development and very tiny results can be achieved on a table top in lab and under certain controlled conditions.

And it would've been produced in the 1990s.

originally posted by: Markword

originally posted by: spiritualarchitect
So now when pilots say they saw a flying "craft" no one wants to believe them. It's a wonder they can find their own plane on the flight deck.

Very disappointing.

It may be hard for you to accept, but the pilots are trained solely to identify known foreign aerial craft and rockets...fuel propulsion craft. Its a narrow, specialized focus, and a narrow specialized training. They have no training in identifying anomalous unknowns.

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How interesting your statement is and yet we have "experts" who've never flown a single second inside the cockpit of a fighter jet able to readily offer a precise explanation for the very same "anomalous unknowns".

You're statement literally debunks debunkers.

originally posted by: 1point92AU
How interesting your statement is and yet we have "experts" who've never flown a single second inside the cockpit of a fighter jet able to readily offer a precise explanation for the very same "anomalous unknowns". You're statement literally debunks debunkers.

OK, two examples -- my investigation suggests these pilots misinterpreted space events -- a satellite reentry, and a satellite launch -- as non-human 'craft'. Where did I go wrong?

CONTEMPORARY PILOT MISPERCEPTIONS OF MISSILE/SPACE EVENTS
web.archive.org...://www.zipworld.com.au/~psmith/pilot-ufos.html

a reply to: 1point92AU

As posted earlier in the the thread. J.Allen Hynek discovered military pilots were actually the least reliable profession for their ability at recognising unknowns.



So can you explain what relevance flying an aircraft has with an ability to identify unknown phenomena?

originally posted by: 1point92AU
...How interesting your statement is and yet we have "experts" who've never flown a single second inside the cockpit of a fighter jet able to readily offer a precise explanation for the very same "anomalous unknowns". You're statement literally debunks debunkers.

How many examples do you need of pilots misinterpreting weird sky apparitions caused by space/rocket events?

satobs.org...

www.debunker.com...


The following is on rocket firings over South America of Russian launches to Molniya orbit:
Plesetsk launches into Molniya orbits used to perform first-apogee engine restart [or upper stage ignition] half an orbit after launch, just east of Chile. For a narrow range of illumination conditions [soon after local sunset] the burn and fuel dump created a spectacular apparition moving left-to-right high in the western sky. In the 1970s and 1980s a number of sensational UFO sightings were recorded, including several from pilots.

Pilots on page 46

31 October 1981 == After 2100 - Cordoba, Argentina - Austral Pilot incident. Bright, round huge object flew through sky, witnessed by pilots of two commercial flights when landing. One round object was observed by two experienced male witnesses (Pedro Heslop). Hall: “Both observed bright round object flying at about 180 meters altitude [Alberto Paracampo, Aerolineas Argentinas] .”

A red, green, and white glowing UFO allegedly accompanied the pilot Pedro Heslop, 33 (17 years flying experience), as he piloted a DC-6 "Austral"-company flight 834 from Buenos Aires to Mar del Plata. Two pilots of the State "Aerolineas Argentinas" claimed that they had seen a huge bluish white disk "in the clear Patagonian sky".

Pedro Heslop’s 1981 sighting [Kosmos-1317] endorsed in “Weinstein List” and Leslie Kean book

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Unidentified Aerial Phenomena - Eighty Years of Pilot Sightings • www.narcap.org... •

Weinstein: “These cases are special for several reasons. Training and experience make pilots and crews much more reliable witnesses than others. They are used to unusual meteorological phenomena. …Military pilots are trained to estimate distances, shapes and speed of flying machines.” •

Page 51, he describes 1981 event as “a bright round object flying at about 180 meters altitude”. Actual altitude was above 400,000 meters. •

Both Weinstein and Kean describe the list as meeting a standard defined earlier by NASA scientist Richard Haines: it is supposed to contain ONLY reports where “the appearance and/or flight dynamics … do not suggest a logical, conventional flying object and which remains unidentified after close scrutiny of all available evidence by persons who are technically capable of making both a full technical identification as well as a commonsense identification, if one is possible.” •

Kean is enormously impressed by pilot sightings, which she describes as “a unique window into the unknown.” She writes that pilots “represent the world’s most experienced and best-trained observers of everything that flies… these unique circumstances potentially transform any jet aircraft into a specialized flying laboratory for the study of rare anomalous phenomena.”

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: 1point92AU

As posted earlier in the the thread. J.Allen Hynek discovered military pilots were actually the least reliable profession for their ability at recognising unknowns.

So can you explain what relevance flying an aircraft has with an ability to identify unknown phenomena?

J.Allen Hynek is also the jack ass who publicly stated people were seeing "swamp gas". He has zero credibility.

originally posted by: JimOberg

originally posted by: 1point92AU
How interesting your statement is and yet we have "experts" who've never flown a single second inside the cockpit of a fighter jet able to readily offer a precise explanation for the very same "anomalous unknowns". You're statement literally debunks debunkers.

OK, two examples -- my investigation suggests these pilots misinterpreted space events -- a satellite reentry, and a satellite launch -- as non-human 'craft'. Where did I go wrong?

CONTEMPORARY PILOT MISPERCEPTIONS OF MISSILE/SPACE EVENTS
web.archive.org...://www.zipworld.com.au/~psmith/pilot-ufos.html

How many hours in a fighter jet do you have?
How many years have you been flying fighter jets?
Of those years flying, how many training exercises have you flown versus live missions in real world scenarios?

You are nothing more than another arm chair quarterback.

And one who quotes jack asses like J.Allen Hynek who took public ridicule for making jack ass statements by explaining what people were witnessing was "swamp gas".

But wait...you'll state that being an active duty fighter pilot for 24 + years with thousands of hours in an F18 Hornet does not lend any credence to their ability to identify aerial phenomena as either recognizable or unknown?

Ok...gotcha.