the bigfoot hoax

Got to love these post . GOOGLE earth can photo the whole planet the government has satalights which can even photo the plate on your car .
helicopters and police and PUBLIC have inferred cameras which can see heat even through trees .
HALF THE FOREST In CA has burned over the last 20 years wile 1000 s and 1000 s of men tromping through the forest of the west cost .
as for your area there are millions of people a year now go hiking camping fishing hunting in the very SAME forest you insist your bigfoot lives . Most do have goto and near every last one has cell phones .

Big foot maybe have been a animal on the verge of extinction for 1000s of years that is possible .
to say they are still around ISNOT . A viable population is not one or two or even 100 or 200 its 2000 in a fairly small area say the size of your state .
Saying big foot is a living animal is saying here in the us in which every state people say they live means a population of 10,000 minim .
Now really there is no more wild ares in the us main land no ware people cat get nore no ware people dont go and no ware that cant be filmed FROM space even .
now Grizzly's are RARE in us main but people have no trouble finding the few that remain .
saying big foot is smart enough to avoid people is saying bug foot could even hide his heat and plenty of cop shows disprove even humans can do it lol .
Ill miss mr foot and nessy along with a few others but every one grows up and our dreams of childhood are over .

BIG FOOT nessy and every local chipparaga I do understand really I do I dreamed once my self .

a reply to: midnightstar

It must be nice to have all the answers!

Since I've had encounters with Sasquatch, once, possibly twice, your absolute confidence in its non-existence is, to my mind, misplaced.

As for the millions, and millions tromping through the woods?

There are around 850 million square miles of wooded land in North America, of which around 35-40% are forest. Much of it is virtually uninhabited, and out of reach of those "millions and millions".

I've backpacked and camped in forest from Canada to the Mexican border over the past half century of my life, I've been places that perhaps no one, much less those millions, has been. There is room, and to spare, for a population of cryptids to exist quite happily and have little to no contact, save by accident, with humans.

originally posted by: Thecakeisalie
Okay before you pull out your pitchforks Chewbacca hunters, here me out.

Now I don't know what some folks have seen, but the DNA tests are in and...read it and weep

One of the two samples of DNA said to prove the existence of the Bigfoot came from a human and the other was 96 percent from an opossum, according to Curt Nelson, a scientist at the University of Minnesota who performed the DNA analysis.

but wait, it gets better.

Also present were Matthew Whitton and Rick Dyer, the two who say they discovered the Bigfoot corpse while hiking in the woods of northern Georgia. They also are co-owners of a company that offers Bigfoot merchandise.

Oh! so co-owners that sell bigfoot junk stumbled upon a dead bigfoot? what an astounding coincidence! NOT. but these are not the only snake oil salesmen

For years now, we’ve been hearing about Bigfoot believer Melba Ketchum and her supposed results on “Bigfoot DNA”. As reported elsewhere, the results were a bust: the analysis was done incompetently, her reasoning was full of holes and bad science, and she failed to account for a lot of organisms in her sample (such as the American opossum) that explained her “unknowns” that she was calling “Bigfoot.” Not only that, but her paper failed peer review, so she self-published it in a journal she secretly owned, so she gets money every time someone forks up $40 to go past the paywall and read it.

now that's bad, now we come to the real McCoy, the patteron-gimlin tape

That wildlife film company just mentioned, American National Enterprises, turns out to have been pivotal. Patterson had been driving down to Hollywood a lot, trying to sell the idea of a pseudo-documentary about Bigfoot; based on Patterson's own self-published 1966 book Do Abominable Snowmen of America Really Exist? Studios wouldn't bite, but ANE did. It was with their money that Patterson rented his camera and took some pre-production stills of his buddies allegedly on a Bigfoot hunt, but actually in Patterson's own backyard. They included Bob Gimlin costumed up as a native American guide. ANE's movie was to be titled Bigfoot: America's Abominable Snowman.

Bob Heironimus was a sturdy, hulking 26-year-old laborer who lived a few doors down from Bob Gimlin. One day Gimlin told Heironimus that Patterson would pay him $1000 for a day's work on a film set wearing a costume. Heironimus readily agreed; that was a lot of money. He met with the men once or twice to try on a gorilla suit and make some adjustments. Then one day, he drove down to Willow Creek. He spent the night at their camp, and the next day they shot the footage.

Even as a kid I knew the PG film was bogus. Now I should name names, but a certain magazine's front cover promised photos of bigfoot, and the results were-well im pretty sure bigfoot didn't have tusks...it was a effin elephant! and another website that have claimed to have recordings of bigfeet communicating and sent it to "scientists" who said that 'the sound cannot be replicated by humans'

bull effin $h!t. I can mimic a bird call so good they talk back to me, I can Tibetan throat sing, Mike Patton, that theory is out the window.

Its an affront to all us real mulders and scullys, those who seek the truth, not money-you can't sell the truth, but you can sell lies.

Star for working Mike Patton into a thread about Bigfoot! Very cool

originally posted by: underwerks
Nobody was paying anyone $1000 in 1966 to walk around in an ape suit. That’s like $8,000 today.

A person wouldn’t have made that much doing a days work at a major movie studio.

Was going to comment on that as well. I'd consider filming a Bigfoot porno for that much money.

originally posted by: JohnnyAnonymous
a reply to: Thecakeisalie



...we need to be more diligent before blindly believing everything that is presented.

How very true. Many on ATS need to realize that a little discernment goes a long way.

originally posted by: Lumenari


...trust me.

No.

Never trust anyone that says "trust me".

You can believe bigfoot exists all you want. But if you insist on convincing anyone else, then actual proof would go a long way.

a reply to: jtrenthacker

Was going to comment on that as well. I'd consider filming a Bigfoot porno for that much money.

I did film one, but it was to blurry, Patty was very rough and way to bitey and she never payed me!!

a reply to: Thecakeisalie


Looks like YOU are the hoxer here.

Years ago Bob Heironimus was proven to be a liar. His story is bogus. He, the phony suit and the man who made the phony suit are hoaxers.

When the people who made suits for a living in 1967 said it was not a suit then it was not a suit. The film is not a hoax. Bob is a hoax. And since you are supporting Bob's hoax you too are now a hoaxer, trying to get us to believe in things that are fake.

Maybe they are interdimensional space Apes secretly planting their own habitat tree by tree, bush by bush. That's why they hang around woodland.

i hope bigfoot exists. lots of bigfoots. feet.

a reply to: midnightstar

Now really there is no more wild ares in the us main land no ware people cat get nore no ware people dont go and no ware that cant be filmed FROM space even .

Seriously, you believe this? I am guessing that you have not traveled very far across this country of ours, except across town or city to city. I can't even imagine who put such a silly notion like this in your head.

Fact is the majority of populace rarely explore out of their comfort zones. A few individuals may explore deeper here and there, but in forests with new saplings sprouting, you would be lucky to see 10 feet ahead of you through the thicket.

Most of the time, you are picking out some definable point ahead with your compass and trying to make it there to take your next compass reading. If Bigfoot is real, you would easily pass by him unknowingly.

As far as government satellites...they are seeking specific known targets in a specific area. They do not just randomly scan the world. Even having a specific target, they will always confirm from the ground that it is their specific target.

This statement above shows you do not know as much as you think you do. Is Bigfoot real? I do not know and neither do you.

a reply to: midnightstar

"GOOGLE earth can photo the whole planet the government has satalights which can even photo the plate on your car ."

This means next to nothing, because it is so much easier to see a geometric shaped car on a street from on high than it is to see a creature moving through the forest.

www.youtube.com...

As you can see from the video above, unless the Bigfoot is standing in the middle of the creek, you are probably not going to see it. And even then, if the drone is not low enough, you may not even be able to tell what it is. From above it may look like a log or bush or rock.

"helicopters and police and PUBLIC have inferred cameras which can see heat even through trees ."

But no one is sending helicopters out looking for Bigfoot on a full time bases. Did you watch Expedition Bigfoot last night? If so you would know that even if they saw a heat signature from a Bigfoot they would have a hard time telling what it was they were looking at.

" HALF THE FOREST In CA has burned over the last 20 years wile 1000 s and 1000 s of men tromping through the forest of the west cost ."

Bigfoot is not going to hang out in a burning forest; they are going to move from the fire. And you do know that there are several fire fighter reports which talk about burnt Bigfoot bodies being found and destroyed to keep their identity hidden. Bigfoot would put the logging industry out of business and cause billions of dollars to be lost and a million jobs to. No one in the industry wants that to happen and most do not want Bigfoot hunted to extinction.

“ as for your area there are millions of people a year now go hiking camping fishing hunting in the very SAME forest you insist your bigfoot lives . Most do have goto and near every last one has cell phones .”

I normally spend 2 hours a day driving to work and back, at 5 days a week every week, every year. I still have never seen a Bugatti Veyron, or a Ferrari Enzo, or any Koenigsegg. Even though I live in a city environment, I have yet to see one of those new mid-engine Corvettes or ugly Supras. And those cars are not even trying to hide from me.

Sasquatch can hear you coming from far away, and they can smell you too. It is very rare for humans to sneak up on them. And even if you are close it does not mean you will see them. There are many forests where something could be 20 yards away from you and you would never see it. And we are talking about a creature that has won the All World Hide & Seek Contest every single year. They know how to hide from you while they watch you.

“ Saying big foot is a living animal is saying here in the us in which every state people say they live means a population of 10,000 minim .”

While there may be less than a hundred in most states, I would not be surprised if there were 10,000 in the United States as a whole.

“ Now really there is no more wild ares in the us main land no ware people cat get nore no ware people dont go and no ware that cant be filmed FROM space even .”

There are plenty of places humans never go and even places where humans have probably never been. When was the last time you saw a satellite photo of a bear or a mountain lion? You can film all you want from space but you are not going to see anything but a blob squacth that you cannot identify.

“ now Grizzly's are RARE in us main but people have no trouble finding the few that remain.”

This is true, but we have dozens of people a year claiming they have seen a Sasquatch. It is not like no one is seeing these creatures. It is just that you do not believe ANY of them. When people take photos of Grizzly bears they do not fear for their life like they usually are when they see the Big Guy. Bigfoot is not supposed to exist, so when people see one they are taken by surprise, shocked, startled, questioning the moment and of course many times the creature has seen them first. They do not want to take their eyes off of it unless they are walking or running away from it, which is what they are usually doing. They are not worried about taking pictures, they are worried about surviving. These people are usually in no position mentally to take a picture, and certainly not enough to hold their phone still. They are thinking about not getting crushed by some big hairy ape!

We already have several films which could show actual real life Sasquatch. But as with Patty, you are just not accepting ANY of them as possibly of showing the real thing.

“ saying big foot is smart enough to avoid people is saying bug foot could even hide his heat and plenty of cop shows disprove even humans can do it lol .”

Once again, who says you could you even be able to tell what it was if you had a heat temp image on your camera. These creatures are not out in the open, they use concealment as protection and when usually seen they are hiding behind things. They can hear and smell you before you ever know they are there. They do not want to be seen. Yet people still claim to see them all the time. Yes, I too am sure some of those people may be lying, but I feel most are not. When you hear their personal stories they sound legit.

Most people have never even been in a forest. They live in the city and watch television and they think that since there is a road that goes into the woods that there must be people everywhere that the road goes. But this is not accurate. The road does go somewhere, but usually along the length of it there is nothing but nature. Even if there are houses along that road, a hundred yards behind them in the forest there is nothing human. The roads are merely 20 foot wide lines winding through huge swaths of undisturbed nature. Human habitation in the area is very localized to the roads and not behind them, where the creatures live. Most of the time that Bigfoot is seen is when is crossing a road. That is because that is the time that it enters the human zone. You are not going out to look for it, and it has not come to you. You just happen to be at the right place at the right time while it moves along its ancestral path, one where people just happened to build a road across. And no, people driving do not have their phone out ready to take pictures of something they might see for 30 seconds.

You can hear a logging truck from miles away, snaking its way up these roads. These roads are very narrow and the Biggies know where these roads are. They are not going to hang out on the road waiting for a human to drive by and take their picture. They are not going to stand around and watch the loggers kill all their trees. These creatures are smart enough to stay away from the smaller walking creatures that make so much noise. The ones that destroy their trees and ruin their lands with homes and fences and roads. Creatures that kill their food with their loud fire sticks. To them those small creatures are like loud, smelly bugs swarming everywhere. They are an infestation on the land that the Squatch can do without.

Yes, those Squatch seem to be pretty smart. They know you exist.

Thecakeisalie & Midnightstar must have missed the "flame wars of Old" concerning bigfoot back in the 90's. So apparently everything old is new again?

The only way to convince someone of practically anything is to "Show Them".
It's time for these two, to bone up on recent sightings in their area, triangulate likelihood by time of year, terrain , for them to get out an look for themselves.

originally posted by: Sabrechucker
a reply to: Thecakeisalie

Once we've explored the remaining 80% of the worlds oceans get back to me. We have no Clue what's here on "Earth"

Exactly. And the stat I've read is that we've only explored less than 5% of our oceans. People who have never been into a deep woods expedition do not understand how massive the wilderness is. There are more square miles of inaccessible wilderness than there is accessible wilderness. I camped the various peaks of the Olympics one spring for 5 days and the Olympics are a heavily trafficked area. During that time I ran across one other camper. There are areas of wilderness so remote there are is no human occupation for a hundred miles in any direction.

Like you said so appropriately. We have no clue what's here on Earth.

As a fire fighting pilot who has spent literally thousands of hours flying over the western United States and Alaska, I can tell you there is plenty of forest out there for thousands of Bigfoot’s to hide. Places where no man has ever set foot. Thousands of square miles.

It sounds to me like your experience is from a car, Rolling down the interstate. What the hell do you expect to see from there?

reply to: midnightstar

At the end of my career, I flew an Air Attack ship for the United States forest service. The contract ran from 2007 to 2012. We installed a forward looking infrared ball FLIR in the empanage of the aircraft and had all the appropriate telemetry installed. It was an experimental program that if proven successful would be expanded To the full fleet of 16 Air Attck ships for the forest service.

It was successful and is fully in service today.
That means there are indeed and in fact aircraft flying over these remote forests with FLIR Ball technology. Now granted, we only turn the equipment on while actively engaged in ground attack, but still, I’ve never seen anything that could not be immediately identified

But you have to understand, two Garrett 331 turbines screaming at 2600 Rpm can be heard from twenty miles away. The commander salute is cover your ears. They are far from quiet
reply to: spiritualarchitect

originally posted by: FirePilotFilson
I flew an Air Attack ship for the United States forest service. Now granted, we only turn the equipment on while actively engaged in ground attack

WHAT were you attacking?

I DONT want to believe.

I WANT to laugh at my drunk uncles and cousins and disregard them.

I WANT to not think that there is a big ugly smelly primate-ish thingy in the woods I like to go in. No. All other critters.. ok. I know them and can deal with them. Wont bother me to kill them. But.. a humanoid Id have a hard time killing.. even if it was coming straight for me with a rapey gleam in its eye.

Lost Trail Refuge definitely has NO bigfeetes.

As others have said, if it was just a few cases then sure it's probably somebody running around in a gorilla suit. But in every one of the dozens if not hundreds of witness cases? Even those where the hikers or campers are really way, way out in the middle of nowhere? Or someplace where they could be easily shot by hunters? (It happens, but very rarely.)

That's some damned dedicated hoaxing!

originally posted by: Advantage
I WANT to not think that there is a big ugly smelly primate-ish thingy in the woods I like to go in. No.

That's a common response by witnesses. They're frequently terrified not just because it's a huge dangerous animal, but because it means that mom and dad and the authorities are wrong and there really are literal monsters out in the woods that they love. And it completely ruins the camping / hiking / hunting experience for them.