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originally posted by: ManFromEurope
originally posted by: M5xaz
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: shawmanfromny
Does that mean climate change cannot exacerbate the problem?
ENOUGH!!
You and like-minded are WRONG !!
Climate taxes /carbon credits are ONLY a scheme to enrich unqualified assholes like Al Gore incapable of making money any other way.
If you want to give YOUR money to YOUR religion, go ahead.
Millions of us do not want to FORCED to participate in what is clearly a fraudulent scheme for the gullible.
This is wrong.
originally posted by: weirdguy
originally posted by: M5xaz
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: shawmanfromny
Does that mean climate change cannot exacerbate the problem?
ENOUGH!!
You and like-minded are WRONG !!
Climate taxes /carbon credits are ONLY a scheme to enrich unqualified assholes like Al Gore incapable of making money any other way.
If you want to give YOUR money to YOUR religion, go ahead.
Millions of us do not want to FORCED to participate in what is clearly a fraudulent scheme for the gullible.
ENOUGH!!
You and like-minded are WRONG !!
Al Gore has nothing to do with what is happening now FFS
originally posted by: M5xaz
originally posted by: weirdguy
originally posted by: M5xaz
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: shawmanfromny
Does that mean climate change cannot exacerbate the problem?
ENOUGH!!
You and like-minded are WRONG !!
Climate taxes /carbon credits are ONLY a scheme to enrich unqualified assholes like Al Gore incapable of making money any other way.
If you want to give YOUR money to YOUR religion, go ahead.
Millions of us do not want to FORCED to participate in what is clearly a fraudulent scheme for the gullible.
ENOUGH!!
You and like-minded are WRONG !!
Al Gore has nothing to do with what is happening now FFS
Gore promotes the fact-free drivel you so mindlessly swallow, like a good little lemming...
originally posted by: weirdguy
a reply to: Justoneman
Yes there were still 24 arsonists and those fires resulted in small grass fires, the firestorms were caused by trees falling on power lines and lightning. But thats ok, keep on believing in the proven Arson HOAX, I understand that people like you don't like fact checking.
originally posted by: Justoneman
it is NOT complete nonsense. You are willing to ignore the facts to spew what the master brainwasher wants you to believe. Carry on, live life in a bubble. I can only offer you a red pill. You have to take that next step.
24 arsonist are 24 more than Australia needed, period end of statement there. AGW did not cause this, period.
The 2015 Pinery bushfire was a catastrophic bushfire that burned from 25 November to 2 December 2015, and primarily affected the Lower Mid North and west Barossa Valley regions immediately north of Gawler in the Australian state of South Australia. At least 86,000 hectares (210,000 acres) of scrub and farmland in the council areas of Light, Wakefield, Clare and Gilbert Valleys, and Mallala were burned during its duration.
On 25 November, during the major run of the Pinery fire, two fatalities occurred; Janet Hughes, 56, perished while fleeing in a vehicle outside Hamley Bridge; Allan Tiller, 69, perished while fighting the fire on a neighbour's property in Pinery itself. A further 90 people were hospitalized as a result of the fire, with five of the victims suffering critical injuries.
The Pinery fire destroyed or rendered uninhabitable 91 houses, and completely destroyed 388 non-residential structures, 93 pieces of farm machinery and 98 other vehicles.It also caused significant damage to rural produce; 53,000 poultry and 17,500 head of livestock perished and up to A$40 million worth of fodder and unharvested grains were destroyed. Communities affected by the fire included Barabba, Daveyston, Freeling, Greenock, Hamley Bridge, Kapunda, Magdala, Mallala, Nain, Nuriootpa, Owen, Pinery, Pinkerton Plains, Redbanks, Roseworthy, Stockport, Tarlee,
originally posted by: Justoneman
a reply to: harold223
24 known arsonist and honestly there is no telling how many other a holes not caught in the act wanted to watch down under be destroyed.
One arsonist is one too many when it is so dry that small things cause them. IF it was a rain forest there it would never happen. We have to just accept that there are some people who DO want to help push the AGW lie any way they can they are so afraid of Mother Nature.
So I will conclude then that the entire amount which is known Arson in a drought crisis is to be ignored. Got it. I can't agree with that however. Carry on.
originally posted by: Chadwickus
a reply to: continuousThunder
I was hoping to ignore the chemtrail bit, at least initially.
I want to know more about these abnormal fire temperatures.
originally posted by: Justoneman
a reply to: turbonium1
OK I have to agree on the temperature observations and caution the metals and chemicals being suggested are not showing up in the data that I see.
We don't see these metals in our environmental monitors when we do the studies in America, where I can see each states data. I don't see data from China or Australia but in rare snippets but I would think China is all bets off type of scenario.
What we in this field of Science need to see are data that shows these chemicals are real in the "wild" . Then after we find something above background detection limits we will need to see some correlating flight patterns that are documented in a meaningful way. If someone qualified to collect these data and certify the authenticity did so, then environmental Scientists world wide will be on it like white on rice. Like a dog on a fresh bone.
We don't have those data right now and that makes it hard to believe. (I disagree with my colleagues on the use of "these data" and "those data" when "the data" has always worked. That is the current consensus of the Scientific community, but I digress)
But of course, whenever data is collected by the general public, as above, they will call it nonsense, for various reasons, and whether or not the data IS valid, doesn't matter, after that. When 'science' claims it is not valid, that's the end of it.
originally posted by: Justoneman
a reply to: turbonium1
But of course, whenever data is collected by the general public, as above, they will call it nonsense, for various reasons, and whether or not the data IS valid, doesn't matter, after that. When 'science' claims it is not valid, that's the end of it.
My charge is to prove the data I submit. There are standards for data collection and data analysis that must be met or peer reviewers who aid in verifying the data are instructed to identity that data and send it back to the collectors to null out the unusable portion.That challenge to the various monitors must be within what are a reasonable range of performance tests to certify the equipment needed for each parameter.
Back to the Temperature issue with the Aussie Fires. I don't imagine we are seeing abnormal temperatures we are seeing the rapid fires with winds which the wind is more energy. Heat and wind combine energy to increase temperatures. Fire tornado's should be about as hot as it gets. The area under a fire tornado is basically in a blast furnace.
originally posted by: turbonium1
originally posted by: Justoneman
a reply to: turbonium1
But of course, whenever data is collected by the general public, as above, they will call it nonsense, for various reasons, and whether or not the data IS valid, doesn't matter, after that. When 'science' claims it is not valid, that's the end of it.
My charge is to prove the data I submit. There are standards for data collection and data analysis that must be met or peer reviewers who aid in verifying the data are instructed to identity that data and send it back to the collectors to null out the unusable portion.That challenge to the various monitors must be within what are a reasonable range of performance tests to certify the equipment needed for each parameter.
Back to the Temperature issue with the Aussie Fires. I don't imagine we are seeing abnormal temperatures we are seeing the rapid fires with winds which the wind is more energy. Heat and wind combine energy to increase temperatures. Fire tornado's should be about as hot as it gets. The area under a fire tornado is basically in a blast furnace.
It's not normal temperatures, though. Much hotter than normal.
'Climate change' is nonsense, and now, it is used as a ridiculous excuse. It is made up nonsense, used to make up more nonsense.
originally posted by: Justoneman
originally posted by: turbonium1
originally posted by: Justoneman
a reply to: turbonium1
But of course, whenever data is collected by the general public, as above, they will call it nonsense, for various reasons, and whether or not the data IS valid, doesn't matter, after that. When 'science' claims it is not valid, that's the end of it.
My charge is to prove the data I submit. There are standards for data collection and data analysis that must be met or peer reviewers who aid in verifying the data are instructed to identity that data and send it back to the collectors to null out the unusable portion.That challenge to the various monitors must be within what are a reasonable range of performance tests to certify the equipment needed for each parameter.
Back to the Temperature issue with the Aussie Fires. I don't imagine we are seeing abnormal temperatures we are seeing the rapid fires with winds which the wind is more energy. Heat and wind combine energy to increase temperatures. Fire tornado's should be about as hot as it gets. The area under a fire tornado is basically in a blast furnace.
It's not normal temperatures, though. Much hotter than normal.
'Climate change' is nonsense, and now, it is used as a ridiculous excuse. It is made up nonsense, used to make up more nonsense.
I am having a very hard time with the temperature claim because of the Fire Tornado situation we have learned of recently.
It just can't be much hotter than normal when heat is about available energy that is all. Adding in vortex winds and that is Blast Furnace conditions in the wild spinning in spots much more heat than elsewhere. The normal temperatures in various conditions is certainly up for debate IMO. Is it Geo Engineering is a good question? Maybe not but it is possible.
I am seeing a lot of exaggeration of facts by the media if they can say someone is racist, or the Earth is warming blah blah blah. They are spinning the few facts they do use to make us believe lies. That requires us , no demands us, challenge them and their lies.