Double Talk in DC

a reply to: timidgal

Nine months would have provided more than enough time for POTUS to brief Congress on this guy.

Fair enough.

Now, was this guy in a compromised position nine months ago? Was he vulnerable nine months ago? Did we know where he was nine months ago? Did we have a clear and immediate reason (the attacks on our embassy) to take him out nine months ago?

Military action is fluid. It is not static. Neither of us know the answers to those questions... but Donald Trump does. He gets briefings every day on these people as part of his job. It is not our place to second-guess every single bullet that comes out of a barrel or every missile that leaves its launch pad. Nor is it Congress' job. Their oversight is general, not intended to make a siting President ask for permission while the situation is changing rapidly, likely losing the opportunity to strike. I would expect that Trump did keep the Congress informed of this guy's existence (they all seem to know exactly who he was); he just didn't tell the strike team to wait until Congress was back in session so he could ask for permission to do something that obviously needed to be done.

Not to mention, Congress was out of session until today. Who was he supposed to ask permission of? The janitor?

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

Clearly, he needed to call Queen Nancy and ask her if he could.

a reply to: ketsuko

There are days when I wish I was in the Mud Pit... especially where Nancy Pelosi is concerned...

TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: ketsuko

There are days when I wish I was in the Mud Pit... especially where Nancy Pelosi is concerned...

TheRedneck

Hmmmm.......

That could be taken a couple different ways. Are you going to jus leave it at that?.....lol

a reply to: Mach2

Yep!



TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: timidgal

Nine months would have provided more than enough time for POTUS to brief Congress on this guy.

Fair enough.

Now, was this guy in a compromised position nine months ago? Was he vulnerable nine months ago? Did we know where he was nine months ago? Did we have a clear and immediate reason (the attacks on our embassy) to take him out nine months ago?

Military action is fluid. It is not static. Neither of us know the answers to those questions... but Donald Trump does. He gets briefings every day on these people as part of his job. It is not our place to second-guess every single bullet that comes out of a barrel or every missile that leaves its launch pad. Nor is it Congress' job. Their oversight is general, not intended to make a siting President ask for permission while the situation is changing rapidly, likely losing the opportunity to strike. I would expect that Trump did keep the Congress informed of this guy's existence (they all seem to know exactly who he was); he just didn't tell the strike team to wait until Congress was back in session so he could ask for permission to do something that obviously needed to be done.

Not to mention, Congress was out of session until today. Who was he supposed to ask permission of? The janitor?

TheRedneck

You raise valid points and state them in a concise manner. I'll give this some more thought and give him the benefit of a doubt for now. We'll wait to see what happens.

Thank you for the discussion. Have a good evening.

TG

a reply to: timidgal

I'll give this some more thought and give him the benefit of a doubt for now.

That would seem to me to be the most logical course of action.

We'll wait to see what happens.

Yes, we will. Hopefully it'll be nothing overly bad.

Thank you as well.

TheRedneck

a reply to: timidgal

Care to point out what "secret protocol which provides for checks and balances" are you talking about?... Or are you another left-winger whom has no idea of what you talk about?...

Did Obama ask permission from Congress to kill Osama Bin Laden?... NO...
POTUS Trump has 100% the right to kill a murderous bastard whom not only has already blood in his hands, but was getting ready to murder more Americans, Europeans, and others.

President Trump did not start a war with Iran since he ordered the death of Soleimani while he was in Baghdad, Iraq. Which is another country...

However, you do know whom really helped the Iranians a lot?... Obama/Biden... After all, without the 116 metric tons of uranium that Obama approved for the RUSSIANS to transfer to Iran it wouldn't have been possible for the Iranians of being so close now of having an atomic bomb... But Obama didn't just give the Iranians enough uranium just for one atomic bomb... Nooo, Obama gave them enough for 8-10 atomic bombs...

Did you complain about it?...

originally posted by: underwerks

I know what ATS as a whole is going to say. Rah-Rah strong man Trump war is good, aren’t you glad we have a strong leader BS.

I’m more of the mind that this is just regular Trump projection. He accused Obama of everything that he did because that’s what he would have done in the same situation. It seems to be the Republican Party line to assume everyone is as crooked as they are.

Believing that lets them rationalize all kinds of bad behavior.

Much better than what YOU and your troupe of clowns did with the Iranians by giving them 116 metric tons of uranium, which will allow the Iranians to have 8-10 atomic bombs...

Let's see....what's worse for the entire world...For President Trump to order the death of a Muslim extremist whom has murdered Americans, Iranians, Europeans, and others and wanted to murder more?... Or that President Obama gave the murderous regime of Iran the capability to make 8-10 atomic bombs?... Difficult choice huh?... I have got to question the sanity of left-wingers like yourself... Seriously.

Hey, according to Fox, this Iranian journalist says the people are not mourning the death of a Soleimani. Apparently it is only the religious Mullahs keeping a firm grip on the people www.foxnews.com... Xckgvk0
Oh and by the way, anti war protests going on around the US are led by radical feminist commie group Code Pink and one other group which I believe is Soros funded

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: underwerks

Ah, so now we cannot use drones for military purposes unless the public votes on it?

What military purposes? The military and its safeguards has been taken out of the loop, now it’s on the CIA.

The new authority – said to have been granted shortly after Mr Trump’s inauguration – takes drone strikes out of the sole control of the military, sparking fears about accountability.

Under the drone policy of the Obama administration, the CIA could find a suspect, but the armed forces would carry out the actual strike.

Unlike the Pentagon, the CIA does not need to disclose drone strikes — or any resulting civilian casualties.

Link

The military not being a part of it anymore is the problem. Maybe you should read the article to have an idea of what you’re talking about.

Not the first time the see eye ay was using secret aircraft for secret things, or do you not know about this?


A 12 Oxcart

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originally posted by: timidgal
According to this article , people on Twitter are quickly pointing out how Trump, in 2011, 2012 and 2013 had repeatedly claimed that President Obama was about to enter a conflict with Iran in a bid to win reelection.

In order to get elected, @BarackObama will start a war with Iran.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 29, 2011

Now that Obama’s poll numbers are in tailspin – watch for him to launch a strike in Libya or Iran. He is desperate.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 9, 2012

Polls are starting to look really bad for Obama. Looks like he'll have to start a war or major conflict to win. Don't put it past him!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 17, 2012

Don't let Obama play the Iran card in order to start a war in order to get elected--be careful Republicans!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 22, 2012

Trump continued with the claim during Obama’s second term in office:

I predict that President Obama will at some point attack Iran in order to save face!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 16, 2013

Hmm... What's not good for the goose (Obama) is good for the gander (Trump)?

Funny timing, this recent attack on Iran. Really makes you wonder, given his previous comments about starting a war to win reelection, if that's not what's going on right now.

And does anyone know, just one person, what his long term foreign policy is pertaining to Iran? Foreign policy on anything? From what I've seen over the last three years, his lack of understanding foreign policy, and the potential consequences thereof, is just crazy and SO dangerous. And we are trusting this man to make unilateral military decisions without the consent of Congress?

There's no question that Gen. Qassem Soleimani had American blood on his hands, but such a blatant disregard of proper protocol, which provides for checks and balances, is unacceptable in this situation. I'm so tired of the tit for tat that's been going on in D.C.

What say you, ATS?

Seriously, Trump doesn't need to start a war to get re-elected.

He's already re-elected for a second term, it's just not official yet..

I really can't wait for the sky screaming and total, public meltdowns..

That's some funny s#@t right there worth every moment of watching and at least another four years worth of memes..!!