Freewill Is An Installed OS

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: Gothmog
Did you say 'theory'?

And , are you saying theory is the same as imagination ?
Theory is a derivative of fact
Imagination isn't
Getting old playing the gotchya game
I am scoring too many points.

a reply to: Gothmog
The only fact there is is what is actually happening.
How many are there?

I go to the store for a bag of chips. I know my wife will want a snack also so I grab her a candy bar, even if she didn't ask for it. Free will. I take the last cup of coffee at work, and no one is there to see me leave the machine cold and empty. But I refill the coffee anyway. Free will. I have a gun locked in my glove box in the car and I see Trump activists blocking the road to my street. I wait patiently for them to move instead of shooting at their feet and laughing at their torment. Free will. None of that is programming, it's called character. You tend to build that sort of thing for yourself.

a reply to: TzarChasm
Would it not be consequences that prevent you from shooting at their feet and laughing?
What would follow that behaviour where you live?

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: TzarChasm
Would it not be consequences that prevent you from shooting at their feet and laughing?
What would follow that behaviour where you live?

Probably a medal.

Still, my character feels like I shouldn't, so I don't.

Don't get all of these beliefs about having 'freewill' ?

Viagra™ rakes in billions, because good old 'freewill' can't free willy from whatever is just happening, and folks can't accept it.

Perhaps 'freewill' is just a pipe-dream... ?

Engaging in beliefs, and not accepting what just is ?

originally posted by: TzarChasm
I go to the store for a bag of chips. I know my wife will want a snack also so I grab her a candy bar, even if she didn't ask for it. Free will. I take the last cup of coffee at work, and no one is there to see me leave the machine cold and empty. But I refill the coffee anyway. Free will. I have a gun locked in my glove box in the car and I see Trump activists blocking the road to my street. I wait patiently for them to move instead of shooting at their feet and laughing at their torment. Free will. None of that is programming, it's called character. You tend to build that sort of thing for yourself.

On a day to day basis, that's just being thoughtful of others given the circumstances. But what if instead of refilling the coffee, you wanted to fly out the window and go to the Moon? Suddenly that's not an option. If reality is created or programmed by some superbeing, and you're "stuck" in it, the only options you have are those the programmer has allowed. Is that free will? Is it free will to be able to select whatever card you want from a stacked deck?

a reply to: WanderingMrM

In all honesty, I could not tell and then I realized that maybe this is what we are or could be, although we believe we are separate we are nothing more than tiny seeds of a giant ocean that record these individual experiences of each life to add to the infinite ocean of knowledge. So the reason for creation could be an infinite expression of life and collection of knowledge? Although I could be very wrong!

Yes, you are right . Does not nature teach even this ?
The rain drop, that falls into the river , becomes the river.
The river ,that flows into the ocean, becomes the ocean.
Yet also, a river falling of a cliff, dashes itself upon the
rocks below ,and becomes something even smaller
than rain drops (mist) .

But not only that. Water ,which mixes with dirt, creates mud.
However the water itself is not mud. When the water
evaporates, you have pure water again. I guess you might
say that the water was experiencing what it's like to "be" mud.

A human drinks a glass of water . The water "becomes" part
of the human: blood, sweat , tears, urine, etc.
The water has a human experience.
But when it's all "said and done: Water is Water!

Be like water....
Enjoy your experience here.

a reply to: WanderingMrM

I am standing at the end. It is the year 100 trillion and our universe is winding down like a clock with a dying battery as the last of the smallest, darkest stars winks out. We go colder and the subjective experience of the dark universe is slowed again by a factor of X.

I am standing at the beginning. It is five in the morning on the first day and I am in Eden, free among the stars in the sky and the fish in the sea. 100 trillion years of light winks at me and I am content.

I am sitting on the floor before and after I make this post. I am here now and I try to center myself in the warmth of gods presence. The light of you shines brightly but doesn't bind me. I am free in that moment and I am a drop in a river that flows forever.

All of these things are true and not true. I blink and miss entire worlds.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: Gothmog
Imagination is amazing.....
The assumption of something does not mean it actually exists.
What does actually exist?

Yes it does; if you contemplated it it POPPED into existence somewhere sometime. Thought creates.

At any one moment you only have a hand full of choices, over time these become habits, which become your destiny. instinctive action sometimes is better than that which is well considered.
Even with no choice, it's a pretty interesting roller coaster.

a reply to: WanderingMrM

Hey, I achieve the same state without all the drama and instantaneously so I am letting you know what I think. Hang on.

Free will is a part of creation, thank God or whatever, you are free to make your own path and meditate (or fantasize while meditating) into that realm of truth.

Sometime the best choice is to not choose, but that is often the hardest.

originally posted by: rom12345
Sometime the best choice is to not choose, but that is often the hardest.

I always make choices and paths given what life throws in front of me. The question is, is the choice you make best for you?

To choose to avoid double binds and false dilemmas is the meta will.

The debate over freewill vs a pre-ordained destiny has been raging for centuries.
No, free will is not an ‘OS’ anymore than java is an OS.

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: rom12345
Sometime the best choice is to not choose, but that is often the hardest.

I always make choices and paths given what life throws in front of me. The question is, is the choice you make best for you?

‘Best for you’ is subjective.
There will never be such a thing.
Only better and worse outcomes and once again, that in itself is subjective.

originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: WanderingMrM

Hey, I achieve the same state without all the drama and instantaneously so I am letting you know what I think. Hang on.

Free will is a part of creation, thank God or whatever, you are free to make your own path and meditate (or fantasize while meditating) into that realm of truth.

So those are the thoughts that appeared? Was there someone in there choosing those thoughts to arise?
It can be noticed that thoughts simply pop up......the assumption is that 'you' do them on purpose, intentionally, with 'your' freewill.

What if there isn't someone in there?
What if everything is just happening as it is?
Wouldn't that be true freedom?

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: TrustedTruth

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: TrustedTruth

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: TrustedTruth
You obviously prefer Zorin OS!!

It's quite swift and shifty, I must say. I do like how it doesnt nag you, and just acts like an OS.

AND it runs all my hardware, which I like.

So would you use a system that you feel is inferior to Zorin?

And if you stumbled across a better system would you not leave Zorin?

Wait, what? You just said I prefer Zorin.. Now I prefer an inferior OS?

Where have I lost the plot.

I am not sure where you lost it.... where did you have it last?

I think it fell behind the cushion of my chair.. Everything else does, and I can never find it again.

I lost a mouse down there recently. The Bermuda Chair, as I call it, is relentless.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: TrustedTruth
What I am saying is..... is it really a choice when you use what you prefer?

Can you choose what to prefer?
Would you ever choose what you don't prefer?

Where do preferences come from?

Well from every distro I've ever installed, they are clunky, require you to know abstract terminal commands in order to get non-standard things working, and then when something just doesn't work right I end up reverting back to M$ and for a short while, feel at home again. Zorin OS has been one of the smoothest installs, with everything detected and working right out of the box and as it's developed to emulate various operating systems that you can choose from, it's the closest to having free will in an OS as there can be, in my humble but disrespected opinion.

Much like the free will of the mind. If I install a different mindset, like change my hair style to be more edgy, or try to grow a full beard instead of my goatee, or simply wear a fancy hat, I end up looking like a twat and end up going back to my previous mindset, which, while it has developed severe issues over time, and some devices are now in-operational (ahem, no not that) it still operates in a way I know and can handle.

Otherwise, I'd a Buddhist hippy but sadly I'm trapped in a big, hairy slowly greying, drooping, incompatible neanderthal body..