Anti-passion of the christ movie

I found out about a movie coming out in June of 2006 that is causing some serious hype among the christian community. Its call the beast and its plot line is that Jesus never existed. You can watch the trailer at www.thebeastmovie.com

Sounds pretty lame to me.....but I will check out the trailer I suppose. I think that a good movie is one that is original, not just a retalitory act.

If you get a chance, read the posts in the movies community.

The thing that makes me mad is that the christians are gonna bitch an moan about this movie and how its a disaster and sad and immoral. I am not christian and I never said a word when everyone was talking about the passion. I accepted it and just never went to see it.

If I'm not mistaken, the Passion was originally a performance piece, a sort of play performed during the middle ages. They made most of that junk up, only to incite people agaisnt the jews, who were being driven out of Europe for a whole host of reasons (mostly made up, some true).

Do you think if more Christians knew the truth about their favorite fairy tale they would be more reasonable?

I personally think that alot of people who have a set religion and are not going to accept other peoples views is because thats what they were raised on. That peace of mind is alot better and easier than sitting down a really studying it. Thats why alot of people post things that are ridiculous, because they have'nt down a hour of research and they hear only what they want to hear.

I am perfectly aware that there are people out there who are christian and have studied it. Its just a matter of what makes sense to you personally.

I wonder what would happen if they made a Muhamed didnt exist or Buddha didnt exhist movie. They would probably call those movies racist and such.

The reported concept is a little misleading by their own efforts to stir controversy, as it's not that "anti-Christian" a premise at all.

It's anti-religious extremism of which Christianty is not immune to harboring it's own theo-terrorists.

I'm intrigued. They're building a community, recruiting soldiers, and apparently not one bit scared of letting angry Pastors from around the globe join the discussion and yell at them.

My favorite exchange so far was between the members BOYCOTTTHISFILM and GOD.

It seems BOYCOTTTHISFILM is a little preoccupied with the atheists' agenda when (as all-knowing God points out) he should be more concerned with his obsessive manipulation of his own genitalia.

I can't stop laughing.

[edit on 8-3-2005 by RANT]

Originally posted by WyrdeOne
If I'm not mistaken, the Passion was originally a performance piece, a sort of play performed during the middle ages. They made most of that junk up, only to incite people agaisnt the jews, who were being driven out of Europe for a whole host of reasons (mostly made up, some true).

Do you think if more Christians knew the truth about their favorite fairy tale they would be more reasonable?

I think they still perform these plays, but at Catholic churches. In my knowledge of protestant churces, I have never seen the play performed. Sorry, it's just that when I think of Chrisianity, I usually split it into two different types, Catholic and the rest.

The movie is about someone questioning their own spirituality after their father found out the secret that Jesus never lived? It actually doesn't seem so demonic to me. I was expecting more.

Did anyone actually go through that site?

If so, how can you say anti-passion movie? It isn't anti passion. It is anti religion. For the love of god, those are some powerful points just in that 20 second trailer.

Christian or not, it is documented that your christian ancestors murdered, and tortured for money just as that trailer points out. I get sick and tired of hypocritical christians forgetting there wonderful heritage. Get off your high horse. Hopefully this is the beginning of the end of christian nonsense.

Originally posted by Seapeople
Did anyone actually go through that site?

If so, how can you say anti-passion movie? It isn't anti passion. It is anti religion. For the love of god, those are some powerful points just in that 20 second trailer.

Christian or not, it is documented that your christian ancestors murdered, and tortured for money just as that trailer points out. I get sick and tired of hypocritical christians forgetting there wonderful heritage. Get off your high horse. Hopefully this is the beginning of the end of christian nonsense.

Oh, How Right You Are and we know it's Coming..... Thanks !!!!!!!!!!!!

I didnt mean it as its against The Passion. I just ment its like the flip side, you have the christians with the passion and then the non christians for this movie. And yes I went all through the site.

Originally posted by zeidz


The thing that makes me mad is that the christians are gonna bitch an moan about this movie and how its a disaster and sad and immoral.

Why would that make you mad? Do you have things that you believe in strongly? Should people get angry at you for the beliefs you hold? Why do you care how the "Christians" would respond to an opposing movie. Does it really matter to you if others think something is "sad or immoral"?

I'm just curious.

I'm a Christian, though I keep my faith to myself (as I think any person of any faith should), and I saw the movie and thought it was ok. I would certainly respect the right of anyone to react according to their individual beliefs. What you (or anyone else) thinks of a particular movie is really none of my business.

The only reason I get upset about those things is that when The Passion came out I heard about how great it is for months and how I have to see it and it will convert me back and this and that. Now that there is a movie saying my side (sort of) I am gonna have to hear how I am wrong and going to hell. I am very quiet about what I believe until someone tells me that I am without a doubt wrong. I completely agree that no one should care what the opposers of this movie say, but when they get in your face about it you will understand. I hold my beliefs as sacared as any christian and I would never say to a christians face they are 100% wrong because it takes a stab at that persons deepest beliefs, the things they hold sacred.

Originally posted by zeidz
The only reason I get upset about those things is that when The Passion came out I heard about how great it is for months and how I have to see it and it will convert me back and this and that. Now that there is a movie saying my side (sort of) I am gonna have to hear how I am wrong and going to hell. I am very quiet about what I believe until someone tells me that I am without a doubt wrong. I completely agree that no one should care what the opposers of this movie say, but when they get in your face about it you will understand. I hold my beliefs as sacared as any christian and I would never say to a christians face they are 100% wrong because it takes a stab at that persons deepest beliefs, the things they hold sacred.

There are "extremists" in every religion. No doubt it gets old to have someone preaching to you about everything you're doing "wrong". I certainly agree with that!

Just thought you were hopping on the Christian "slam wagon". As you know, no one likes to be stereotyped.

Wow, as many in here now, i think, i am a christian. And i say for this movie. These people aren't sitting there, at least it doesn't seem, and saying Jesus didn't exist because of A,B,C and so on, instead they are going at it with the anti-religion angle. It actually seems like it could be an interesting movie about a girl being chased by these extremist christians, which doesn't make sense if you know JC didnt exist why keep it a secret, someone at some point would reveal it, and trying to save her life while dealing with the internal confusion of who she really is and what life now means to her.

As for the Passion it was a good movie, however, in terms of preaching Jesus as The Christ i think it FAILED misserably. The movie is about Jesus dying and that is all. It never shows his true love for humanity, it doesn't show his miracles and who he really is. Instead it showed Jesus as a Rude man, when he is talking to Pontius Polite(sp?) about him being crucifed, and it showed an innocent man being killed, but doesn't show how he knew and what he did for us. Although it was still an excellent movie in terms of captivating an audience, and sad too. Two thumbs up for Mel Gibson being brave enough to make a movie such as that, but please, next passion get the real message of Jesus out, not the message of him dying!

Originally posted by Ryanp5555
but please, next passion get the real message of Jesus out, not the message of him dying!

I disagree Ryan - I think that was the whole point.

The Passion wasn't supposed to be about Christ's teachings.
It was about graphically showing you exactly what Jesus went through, so that you might go to Heaven.


As for this movie, The Beast - the teaser sure is cheesy.

I'd rather see Good Omens turned into a movie.

Originally posted by Partyof1
I'm a Christian, though I keep my faith to myself (as I think any person of any faith should),

Oops, hope I don't offend. I talk about faith a lot but only in contexts of a conversation, as in when we're both doing the talking. Sometimes Q & A or debate, but only if the initiator is interested. I think that's why I've had so many friends of diverse religious background. Even though we disagreed (sometimes a lot), there was at least some kind of understanding. Both of us gets and education though, that's for sure.

Originally posted by Partyof1
and I saw the movie and thought it was ok.

The Passion was pretty good, but I wouldn't call it epic (like the original). I like the play on suspense in the beginning. Kinda wished they carried it through.

Though I missed the beginning, I did get the chance to see The Last Temptation of Christ, which I thought was facinating. Here was a movie people smeared and blasted before, during and after release. I think it did a good job of showing that yes, Jesus was tempted as written in the gospels and Hebrews (4:15) as well as why it was so important that he made the right decision. As long as it was viewed as a FICTIONAL piece, I think it was a pretty good flick to think about. I haven't seen what happen in it to pop up as a 'conspriacy' here so I doubt people take it literally as a possibility. Kind of like a 'what if' scenario. Most argue that he absolutely could not have made the wrong decision therefore the topic is moot. I can see that too *shrug*. I think us Christians tend to forget though, he went through the same temptations we did. Kinda kicks out the complaint in praying, "but God, you don't know what it's like (sob sob)". Well, guess what. He does.

On this The Beast movie. I'm certain I'll hear about it and read about it. The only power us Americans have is economic. If I feel it's a work I don't want to put money into, then I'll pick up some Cowboy Bebop on DVD instead. Sorry, born an anime freak, will die an anime freak .

Also, do you think Disney will sue for this new movie using their co-star from Beauty and the Beast?


[edit on 9-3-2005 by saint4God]

Yeah.....this has been posted on here before. Personally, I want to see it, but it will be awhile, as I always wait for DVD.....I don't go to the movie.

In my opinion as Ryanp5555 wrote, “It never shows his true love for humanity” Every drop of blood Jesus lost it was God’s love for all humanity. “It doesn't show his miracles and who he really is.” The miracle was saving us from satin and sin through his death we are forgiven, if only we ask with a pure sorrow for our sins that keep us from God.

The PASSION PLAY that has been referenced here is a play that
takes place in Germany. It's a tradition in a little town there.
The people said they'd do it to give thanks to God for saving
them from the Plague. No one in that town died from it when
the big outbreak happened back in the 1600's. It was considered
a miracle. (and considering that 1/3 of Europe died ... they are
probably right)

www.passion-play.com...

Short excerpt - more at the site -

The Passion Play, based on the life of Christ, dates from the 17th Century. It was first performed in 1634, following a vow taken by the people of Oberammergau during an outbreak of bubonic plague, which killed 15,000 nearby Munich residents in 1634 – 1635 alone.

The frightened population of Oberammergau prayed to be spared, taking a vow to be fulfilled not by a few but by the whole community. They vowed to do something in which everyone, rich and poor alike, would have a part: a Passion Play, the most sacred of all stories. They would present the story of Christ to the world every 10 years forevermore if the Lord would remove the plague from their people. The town was spared, and a tradition was born.

The play is now performed at the start of each decade. Since 1860 the German text has remained virtually unchanged. The production is done in native German, but an English translation is available.






[edit on 3/9/2005 by FlyersFan]