Israel to be investigated for Alleged war Crimes in Palestinian Territories

a reply to: ElGoobero

srael is a legitimate nation. It has a right to defend itself and secure itself internally. The native Palestinians have no right to complain

Are you saying that the people of Israel have the right to sovereignty but the people of Palestine do not. What in your opinion makes them sub worthy of self determinate rule?

a reply to: purplemer
Yikes.
Slippery slope.

It's a little bit confusing to me, the racial side of it all?

I'm under the assumption that Palestinian's are predominately Christian? And the persecution they endure is due to a political ideology?

I didn't verse myself well enough with Apartheid stuff, because I won't entertain racism as having any meat on the bone.

Prejudice is still prejudice whether spreading mayonnaise or mustard on it- causes a bad taste in my mouth.

Peace is the prize and it's meant to be enjoyed by everyone.

I like Max Igans take on them. He has been there and experienced their wonderful version of gods love first hand.

"The Israeli educational system turns these kids into sociopaths, where these children sign bombs "Love from Israel".




I wonder.... are there any mental consequences of teaching a secular group of people that they are better than everyone else in the world? That they are gods chosen ones?

originally posted by: loveguy
a reply to: purplemer
Yikes.
Slippery slope.

It's a little bit confusing to me, the racial side of it all?

I'm under the assumption that Palestinian's are predominately Christian? And the persecution they endure is due to a political ideology?

Palestinians are almost completely muslim. they are taught to obey their religious leaders (imams) and the imams almost always promote hatred towards Israel.
islamic persecution has almost erased Christianity from the Middle East.

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: ElGoobero

srael is a legitimate nation. It has a right to defend itself and secure itself internally. The native Palestinians have no right to complain

Are you saying that the people of Israel have the right to sovereignty but the people of Palestine do not. What in your opinion makes them sub worthy of self determinate rule?

two nations cannot share the same land, especially with such divergent philosophies, religious as well as political.

I have no problem with the Palestinians having their own country, I just don't see Israel giving up its land for said country.


I'm irritated by the hypocrisy of this topic. a bunch of gated-community European intellectuals are passing judgment on Israel, which has had to literally fight for its existence for decades? would like to see the ICC try to work on civil rights in Iran or Cuba sometime.

a reply to: ElGoobero

two nations cannot share the same land, especially with such divergent philosophies, religious as well as political.

I understand your sentiment. What I am not understanding is why you defend Isreals right to defend itsself and not the Palastilines. It is the Isrealites that are the occupying people state here. here and whos armed forces continue to dp land grabs from the people of Palastine .

Do you not think the Palastines should have the right to s to free speech , political expression, soveriginity and sercurirty or do you think these rights should only be privy to the people of Isreal?

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: ElGoobero

two nations cannot share the same land, especially with such divergent philosophies, religious as well as political.

I understand your sentiment. What I am not understanding is why you defend Isreals right to defend itsself and not the Palastilines. It is the Isrealites that are the occupying people state here. here and whos armed forces continue to dp land grabs from the people of Palastine .

Do you not think the Palastines should have the right to s to free speech , political expression, soveriginity and sercurirty or do you think these rights should only be privy to the people of Isreal?

so let the Palestinians give speeches and publish newspapers calling for violence? that's not free speech that's advocation of criminal behavior.
'sovereignty' implies an independent state. Israel is its own state.

a reply to: ElGoobero

What are other issues and challenges surrounding Palestine’s application to the United Nations? Do you support Palestinian membership in the U.N.? Why or why not?

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Am curious your position?

a reply to: ElGoobero

o let the Palestinians give speeches and publish newspapers calling for violence? that's not free speech that's advocation of criminal behavior. 'sovereignty' implies an independent state. Israel is its own state.

Thank you for your reply. I have a different perspective. From where I am standing you are choosing to defend the occupying regime over the original people. This occupation occurred in living memory.

The regime you are defending works on a Zionistic philophey of white supremacy. In which 'Arabs' are classed as third rate citizens that can be executed by the military or locked up indefinatly without trial. Resources like water and supplies are fully controlled. Water is often turned off for punishment. These people are not permited freedom of travel. They have to stay in sergrated areas. They can have their land and home taken off them by Isralies. This is something that is actually encouraged to promte further settlement.

Now they are up for war crimes with the ICC and just to remind you what the ICC does

The International Criminal Court (ICC) investigates and, where warranted, tries individuals charged with the gravest crimes of concern to the international community: genocide, war crimes, crimes against humanity and the crime of aggression.

and your telling me that the Palestinians are being violent. I wonder why there not up for war crimes against humanity then.

Supporting state produced apartheid and racism is a little limiting on yourself in my opinion.

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: Bluntone22

The Middle East is full of people and countries that refuse to acknowledge that Israel even has the right to exist.

Lets put that in perspective. It does exist yet it denies the people of Palestine the right to exist under their own state. These are in effect stateless people living within an apartheid regime.

Lets hope peace does come

:-)

The so called Palestinians are a group of people that have been shuffled around from Jordan to every neighboring country to be someone else's problem, and landed in Israel.

Look at the history of India and Pakistan to understand the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.

a reply to: Wardaddy454

The so called Palestinians are a group of people that have been shuffled around from Jordan to every neighboring country to be someone else's problem, and landed in Israel.

The Jews had that problem for thousands of years. Now however they do it to other people instead.

The so called Palestinians are the people that have and had historically lived in the area. Just because they may have been shuffled around (primary because of the occupation) Does in no way negate it from being an issue.

originally posted by: purplemer

1. Palestinians can’t live free of Israeli military presence.
2. Palestinians in Gaza can’t control the flow of goods and supplies.
3. Palestinians can’t control their access to water in the occupied territories.
4. Palestinians can’t access certain life-saving health care.
5. Palestinians can’t live or enter Israeli settlements in the occupied territories.
6. Most Palestinians can’t enjoy the rights of citizenship.
7. Palestinians don’t have the same due process and civil rights as Israelis.
8. Palestinians aren’t equally protected by labour laws.
9. Palestinians can’t travel in, out and through occupied territories without restriction.
10. Palestinians are curfewed.

Which of these 10 things is a war crime? How about the Chinese who are putting minorities by the millions in camps for reeducation? Ya I know it is whataboutism, but there seems to be bigger fish to fry when we talk human suffering. I have always wondered why the Palestinians can't go into Jordan which is 1 foot to the east of the west bank.

originally posted by: purplemer

The so called Palestinians are the people that have and had historically lived in the area. Just because they may have been shuffled around (primary because of the occupation) Does in no way negate it from being an issue.

Back in the day the so called Palestinians and other people were nomads moving at will all over that area, so why does this "Palestinian land" magically stop at the Joran and Egypt borders?

BTW there were two types of Palestinians being both Jewish and Arab. The difference is the Jews won...Just like any other war in the history of the human race

a reply to: Xtrozero

Which of these 10 things is a war crime? How about the Chinese who are putting minorities by the millions in camps for reeducation? Ya I know it is whataboutism, but there seems to be bigger fish to fry when we talk human suffering. I have always wondered why the Palestinians can't go into Jordan which is 1 foot to the east of the west bank.

Because they live and have historically lived there. That is why they dont wont to move. I find it funny that Western Nations (predominantly white) have problems with suppressive regimes like China but when its a suppressive regime run by white people its somehow ok..

Why dont you click on the link and read and then you will understand which ones might be war crimes

lol

a reply to: Xtrozero

BTW there were two types of Palestinians being both Jewish and Arab. The difference is the Jews won...Just like any other war in the history of the human race

Funny back in the day of WW2 we had relatives fighting suppressive regimes that where trying to occupy sovereign states. We put a stop to that whilst endorsing the very same thing we where fighting against on another nation.


Now here we find ourselves.. You defending the very thing our ancestors fought against. Pesonally people like Hitler are not my cup of tea I think there assholes. But each for their own.

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: purplemer

About time!

Nobody has the right to take away someone else's human rights!

That video you linked was brutal. Its a shame more will not watch it

originally posted by: purplemer
Because they live and have historically lived there. That is why they dont wont to move. I find it funny that Western Nations (predominantly white) have problems with suppressive regimes like China but when its a suppressive regime run by white people its somehow ok..

Well first you need to understand my beliefs about the middle east as a whole. I see the whole area as extreme including Israel with the differences being that Israel is on the lower end of other countries around them in the whole extreme range of the value of life and freedom, but make no bones about it, Israel can be both a giving country and a brutal country all at the same time when they feel they need to protect what they see as theirs.

When you say historically lived there I hope you mean the whole Ottoman empire as a range of land they travelled as nomads in. We can also say ALL the countries we see today are not historically crated by the people there and were ALL created by France and the Brits, so I do not really understand what you mean with the use of the word historically.

France and Brits actually split up the area we see today as Jordan and Israel as being the Arab Palestinian land and the Jewish Palestinian land. As Trans-Jordan became its own country in 1946 so did Israel in 1948. Except for the religious sites Israel got the crappier deal as Jordan is a very rich oil state.

Then we had the war in 1967 where Israel won...sorry. Here is a map of before and after, and that is what war does, it resets border lines. Israel has as much rights to reset border lines as EVERY other nation has done after a war. For them to give back that land would be like the US giving back Texas, AZ, MN and CA to Mexico....not going to happen.



Then we have the hapless refuges you call Palestinians that no one wanted, not Jordan or Egypt cared in the least and the Arabs use them as fodder against the Jews. So now they do not want to join Israel they want their own 50 by 20 mile country right in the middle of Israel. Not going to happen once again.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Then we had the war in 1967 where Israel won

Why the 'we'?


Basically you think its ok for countries with greater military to dominate over each other with impunity for the word of law.


ps did you mange to click on the link and work out which points may be war crimes. Getting back on topic do you endorse nations committing war crimes.

Good luck and take care

originally posted by: purplemer
Now here we find ourselves.. You defending the very thing our ancestors fought against. Pesonally people like Hitler are not my cup of tea I think there assholes. But each for their own.

The Ottoman empire sided with Germany during WWI...They lost....France and the Brits split up the whole empire into the countries we see today including Israel. Maybe they should have also given the Kurds and Palestinians their own countries, but it didn't happen.. End of story as border lines have been drawn a long time now.

As a side note the main reason they did not get their own countries is because they were nomads that were all over the place with no central leadership to talk to.

originally posted by: purplemer
We as in the world...

Basically you think its ok for countries with greater military to dominate over each other with impunity for the word of law.

Holy crap... the 1967 war was the third war the Arabs went after Israel. Egypt massed troops in Sinai kicking out the UN troops, Syria also massed troops on their side. Israel did pre-emptive strikes against Egypt since they had the best planes Russia could make. Isreal asked Jordan to stay out of it but both Syria and Jordan attacked them along with Egypt. They fought for their existence as those three countries were trying to wipe them off the map. It wasn't that Israel was trying to wipe those three countries off the map, so your statement above oozes a ton of bias...