AOC Whines about Her Subsidized Congressional Health Care Gold Plans (All 66 of Them)

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

It's easy to do that with other people's money. No you let people help those in need on a person to person basis. Happens all the time and it's even easier in tech advanced society where go fund me etc are available. You don't steal from everyone and give the most corrupt inept group of people control over those monies.

Jaden

a reply to: Subaeruginosa

There is absolutely no such thing as a right to health Care. You can't have a right to another person's service. That is tantamount to slavery.

Jaden

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Subaeruginosa

They dont get it dude...

Helping others with basically an annual tax of 100 some odd dollars a year to help my fellow citizens to be healthy is enough charity for me. And I also dont live in a nation where its funneled into a two party clown show, so there is that.

I struggle to understand why Americans are so " I've got mine so FU," they literally have the best buying power on the planet, yet they want more, perhaps it's just plain and simple greed.

what really baffles me is why non Americans seem to care so much about American Health care. MYOFB. When your opinions are wanted, we will ask. We aren't harping on how long it takes for a Canadian to see a proctologist, or what constitutes a dentist in the UK. We seem to be fine working on what system we want without someone elses' pudgey fingers in the pie.

a reply to: Masterjaden

Who said it's free?

You work it into your economy. It's not free. Even the basics of socialism promote nothing is free, the workers just benefit from the capital produced more then the capitalists who concentrate wealth in their favor.

My healthcare isnt free, I pay for it. But you know what, if someone needed healthcare I also chip in to help them out. No one should be put into massive amounts of debt for medical testing.

Have you ever heard of the phrase, its expensive to be poor?

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: strongfp

Our way is certainly not working great, but he UK, Canada, and all those others your are referring to have their own issues and most appear to be buckling under the weight of the work load.

Part of that comes down to doctor shortages, rather than problems with the system so much. After all there isnt much incentive for doctors to stay in canada when they can make 4x (or more) that in the states or overseas.

originally posted by: looneylupinsrevenge

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: strongfp

Our way is certainly not working great, but he UK, Canada, and all those others your are referring to have their own issues and most appear to be buckling under the weight of the work load.

Part of that comes down to doctor shortages, rather than problems with the system so much. After all there isnt much incentive for doctors to stay in canada when they can make 4x (or more) that in the states or overseas.

Now we see the incentive for you to con all the rest of us into your system ...

a reply to: Masterjaden

 You don't steal from everyone and give the most corrupt inept group of people control over those monies. 

No I don't, that is what goverment does they steal your money via taxes and then piss it up the wall, may as well get something back, you know like healthcare.

a reply to: network dude

So what you want his censorship, or possibly even control over what people talk about.

Ok master with your permission what am I allowed to have an opinion on ?

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Wardaddy454

Yea. And it's a bad idea. Look at ireland.

From what I gather, the public option hasn't panned out all too well, hence the private expansion.

Ireland has other issues going on I suspect.

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: Masterjaden

 You don't steal from everyone and give the most corrupt inept group of people control over those monies. 

No I don't, that is what goverment does they steal your money via taxes and then piss it up the wall, may as well get something back, you know like healthcare.

Ask people in the VA how well that works out.

originally posted by: Masterjaden
a reply to: Subaeruginosa

There is absolutely no such thing as a right to health Care. You can't have a right to another person's service. That is tantamount to slavery.

Jaden

Going by that irrational logic, you could say the same thing about the 2nd amendment...since its not like guns just grow on trees, ya know?

But more to the point, no doctor is forced to treat people for free in any first world country with universal healthcare that I'm aware of. Where I live at least, its totally there choice, they can be strictly 'private' or 'bulk bill', its up to them. So basically, it's not even in the same ball park to "slavery"... lol

Nice try though.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: ketsuko

When I was born, I was given health care. End of.

That's what AOC is trying to tell people, in some nations you just simply being born a natural citizen to two parents who are citizens are issued nearly full health care.

And in some countries like Venezuela that care amounts to a cardboard box or government mandated euthanasia against your parents in a place like the UK even if the parents raise the money to take you elsewhere.

Wait...what? I'm not sure I understand you correctly. In placed like Venezuela the government can mandate Euthanasia against your parents to be performed in the UK (where its illegal?)

Its not making sense, but I can't figure out what your intent is here - am I just completely misreading this?

a reply to: ketsuko

Complaining about how many choices for drastically taxpayer-subsidized health insurance. Great form, AOC. Freaking idiot.

Its disgusting that after paying more than 50% of my gross income in income tax, property tax, sales tax, excise tax, then pay about 1/4 of what's left for health insurance for the family, then I still have to pay co-pays and deductibles.

FU, AOC

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: ketsuko

Obamacare was a failure because he dared to go against the pharma machine.

He tried to implement a system that still catered to the capitalist agenda of medicine in the US.

Its probably one of the reasons trump just somehow 'forgot' to tackle the problem as well.

He got rid of the individual mandate which is pretty damn good.

a reply to: dogstar23

Venezuela guarantees health care to all its citizens which does them precisely squat. A country with nothing gives you nothing no matter what it claims your rights are.

And in the UK, the government can make health decisions over and above your own family. What was that about the little boy whose family raised the money to take him out of country for experimental treatment but the courts blocked them saying it was kinder to euthanize him/let him die?

a reply to: Subaeruginosa

The 2nd is a lot more in depth then that...

For one, health care that people advocate for is a type of 'capital', intellectual capital, knowledge isn't free, people work hard to gain such knowledge to diagnose or conduct medical procedures etc.

The capital given in health care is literally invaluable, it's preservation of life. How can you put a value on something like that? Even Warren Buffet expresses that you aren't wealthy unless you are healthy.

Now let us put such a perspective on the right to bear arms. The preservation of life can go hand in hand, and even deeper. The 2nd encompasses not only for people to own arms but to allow any citizen to grab a weapon and fight.

Let's look at it this way, what's the difference between your fists and a gun? Both are technically weapons; now think about that for a second, and this is where the debate begins.

I seem to remember Mick Jagger waxing on about the virtues of the Brit system and how the USA system was so bad. Then ol' Mick needed a heart valve fixed. There must have been a significant wait time with the NHS because of their overloaded system. Mick didn't want to check out while waiting for his turn, so he somehow forgot about the wonderfulness of the NHS and walked into an NYC hospital for a valve replacement.

a reply to: ketsuko

Venezuela has an over abundance of capital. Which is exactly their problem!

Their problem isn't their oil, natural resources etc. It's WHO wants to control it. Healthcare is the least of their problems right now.

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

originally posted by: Masterjaden
a reply to: Subaeruginosa

There is absolutely no such thing as a right to health Care. You can't have a right to another person's service. That is tantamount to slavery.

Jaden

Going by that irrational logic, you could say the same thing about the 2nd amendment...since its not like guns just grow on trees, ya know?

But more to the point, no doctor is forced to treat people for free in any first world country with universal healthcare that I'm aware of. Where I live at least, its totally there choice, they can be strictly 'private' or 'bulk bill', its up to them. So basically, it's not even in the same ball park to "slavery"... lol

Nice try though.

I wouldn't say there's a "right" to healthcare, but its something we, as a society, are better off ensuring everyone has at least the basics taken care of.

I can also say for certain that your comparison is way off base. The 2nd Amendment isn't about providing arms, its about guaranteeing the freedom to own and carry them.

a reply to: ketsuko

I got my plan from the exchange and had as many to choose from. The problem is that what plan is best generally isn't apparent until you know what care you need.