The Republican Hypocrisy

Originally posted by Colonel
Dude, get a life and get over it.

Uhh, I did not start this thread................cya...

No poster would assume you were talking to me, Colonel.

Originally posted by MaskedAvatar
Campaign advice #1

To avoid offending the sensibilities of all Republican swinging voters, do not label the current administration's lies as "Republican hypocrisy".

These lies do not belong to all Republicans.

They belong only to the Bush administration.

I understand that it might appear hypocritical that there is insufficient outrage at the clearly criminal and corrupt activity of Bush and his cronies, but you need to isolate the Bush administration - line them up - and shoot them down.

In this case, negative campaigning about Bush will oust him from office, without having to wait for an election. Otherwise, you end up in the trap of "who is a better candidate?"

Obviously, anyone is a better candidate than the unworthy, lying, treasonous Bush and his version of "dignity in the White House".

Get rid of the sucker. And give the war profits back to their rightful owners.

Yeah, but, the representatives like Tom DeLay are still backing Bush---not even remotely questioning him.

Originally posted by MaskedAvatar
No poster would assume you were talking to me, Colonel.

I wasn't. Sorry about that.

Colonel.

Right now, only Dean has a modicum of face value in the polling, who is going to arise and take the Democratic mantle?

Colonel

Stay focused....

Mission... eliminate corrupt, lying Bush administration

Replace later.

Bush showed a precedent in Iraq, but the US will not be subject to looting and violent backlash amongst its own when the Bush regime is toppled...

Originally posted by Tyriffic
Colonel.

Right now, only Dean has a modicum of face value in the polling, who is going to arise and take the Democratic mantle?

I like Dean and he should be an easy cinch to win if this LIE builds up.

People don't care about clinton's sexcapades, they care about his hiddeous betrayal of America.

We've given you the evidence, you refuse to look at it...that's enough said.

Originally posted by Colonel

Originally posted by Tyriffic
Colonel.

Right now, only Dean has a modicum of face value in the polling, who is going to arise and take the Democratic mantle?

I like Dean and he should be an easy cinch to win if this LIE builds up.

I wish I had DR's flyin pig right now.

Personally gentlemen,

The American people are concerned with the WMD issue, along with the situation and handling of Iraq. Lies, untruth, whatever....the stuff is like crying over spilled milk. BUT, maybe not.....but I will ascertain that if Bush doesn't get re-elected, it won't be because of the "lies, and untruths."

The average american is concerned about one thing: the economy. The economy relates to his/her own job and jobs of countless others. The jobless rate is higher than it has been in 9 years, people's saving are virtually nilche'. Many are far from worrying over Bush's "lies and untruths" verses putting clothes on their children's backs, feeding the household, trying to find a job for which they got layed off 9 months ago....etc!

Be assurd that if Bush doesn't get re-elected, it won't be because of the "lies and untruths"......more like the economic situation that virtually every family in America is dealing with.

"Can Bush get re-elected?"
www.boston.com...

regards
seekerof

Seekerof

What you are stating, in black and white, is that the American populace stands for and supports dishonesty in government.

The heinous campaign of lies, to bring about an illegal war in support of the Bush-PNAC agenda, is the most criminal act in a US administration's history.

The rest of the world doesn't operate that way.

I don't believe the US does either.

Yes indeed, it is the economy and the light wallets of voters that will take him out of office, and only that it seems........

Originally posted by MaskedAvatar
Seekerof

What you are stating, in black and white, is that the American populace stands for and supports dishonesty in government.

The heinous campaign of lies, to bring about an illegal war in support of the Bush-PNAC agenda, is the most criminal act in a US administration's history.

The rest of the world doesn't operate that way.

I don't believe the US does either.

Your facts are ...?

You probably never shouted out at Clinton?

Of course.



[Edited on 10-7-2003 by Tyriffic]

Ok....


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...please put it down.

Originally posted by MaskedAvatar
Seekerof

What you are stating, in black and white, is that the American populace stands for and supports dishonesty in government.

The heinous campaign of lies, to bring about an illegal war in support of the Bush-PNAC agenda, is the most criminal act in a US administration's history.

The rest of the world doesn't operate that way.

I don't believe the US does either.

MA, I am not saying that at all............I said that the American people see what is obvious, but despite what is obvious, the American people are more concerned with their obtaining the next meals, their jobs, no jobs, etc. And thats in black and white. I gave you the article that shows what the American people are concerned with...I reckon the polls do not back this up either?

I will say it again, I will go further and predict it.....if Bush doesn't get re-elected it will not be because of his handling of Iraq--- reegardless of the supposed "lies and untruths"----- no matter......if he doesn't get re-elected it will be because of the economy.

regards
seekerof

won't be a problem since clinton made it clear you can lie in office, and it's not a problem.

besides what's the big deal?

lmao hahahahahahahaaaaa

Tyriffic

Some facts to entertain you.

Your mission, should you choose to accept it:

1. Find a more impeachable and criminal offence amongst this lot than the campaign of lies by Bush to orchestrate an illegal war without Congressional approval and contrary to the resolution already adopted by the U.N.

2. For any more severe offence that you find (but you won't, if you look objectively), show that Bush hasn't already fallen into the same criminal behaviour. You may omit, of course, the nationally important issue of lying about an extra-marital affair. If you believe Bush is guilty of that.

3. Go back to your work-a-day world, do nothing, and vote for Bush again in the next election.

Impeachment Histories

Hamilton was charged with corruption in selecting William Duer as his Under Secretary of the Treasury. Duer soon resigned owing the government $200,000. His later speculation lead to the first financial panic of the new nation in 1792. Hamilton was subject to lengthy intensive investigation by the House of Representatives for this and other conduct.

Jefferson, among other acts, was charged with using government funds to finance Philip Freneau when Freneau started the National Gazette, a pro Jefferson newspaper.

Both Jefferson and Hamilton were accused of accepting bribes from foreign governments.

Edmund Randolph who served Washington as both Attorney General and Secretary of State was accused of treason and accepting bribes from the French government and corruption for agreeing to foment civil strife in the Whisky Rebellion in 1794 on the basis of French documents captured by the British and irregularities in State Department financial accounts.

President Washington was personally accused after signing the Jay Treaty with England of participation in a British- Federalist conspiracy to destroy republican government in the U.S. He refused to deliver papers relating to the negotiation of the Treaty to the House of Representatives which was investigating conduct which led to the Treaty.

President Andrew Johnson after the assassination of Lincoln, as the nation entered the difficult post Civil War period of reconstruction was accused of the many crimes, even conspiring in the assassination of Lincoln. He was most aggressively charged with frustrating the implementation and execution of Congressional acts and effectively nullifying some laws dealing with reconstruction. The charge for which he was finally impeached and tried in the Senate was violation of the Tenure of Office Act by removal of Secretary of War Stanton whose role in enforcing reconstruction legislation in the former Confederacy was critical.

Historians still debate whether President Johnson was the victim of radical Republican political anger, or had seriously acted to frustrate the enforcement of reconstruction laws and to "take care that the Laws be faithfully executed" in a matter of great consequence to the nation.

Two of the last seven Presidents have faced impeachment crises. Nixon was forced to resign in the face of the threat of impeachment. Had there been no impeachment power in the Congress, he surely would not have resigned. C. Van Woodward, in his Introduction, The Conscience of the White House says of the charges against President Nixon, "Heretofore, no president has been accused of extensively subverting and secretly using established government agencies to defame or discredit political opponents and critics, to obstruct justice, to conceal misconduct and protect criminals, or to deprive citizens of their rights and liberties."

President Bill Clinton was impeached in December 1998 on three Articles of Impeachment by votes ranging from 229-205 to 221-212. The votes were highly partisan with only five Democrats voting for impeachment. The charges were for perjury, false and misleading testimony and obstruction of justice, all committed in legal proceedings involving allegations of extra-marital sexual conduct.

The Constitutional impeachment power of the Congress has been a conscious presence in the conduct of the Presidency. It has surfaced frequently in public statements and accusations addressing controversial acts of the President and his principal civil officers. It has acted as a powerful deterrent to usurpation and abuse of power by the President. While impeachment has resulted in a completed trial in the Senate in only one case involving the President, it has affected Presidential conduct constantly and led to resignations of many officials and one President.

Seekerof

Like I said, you believe the US populace stands for and supports dishonesty in government.

The economy is stuffed. Look at any set of indicators, and don't even be concerned about the economic cycle or whether Bush was on the brink of a downturn when he was appointed. This administration couldn't manage a corner drugstore without screwing up, and yet the administration is still defended.

Now it is defended on the grounds that "Supposed lies and untruths are OK, we stand firm that we will only be ousted because of our economic mismanagement".

What great policy!

It is obvious. If this administration is not removed, all things considered, then the US populace must stand for and support dishonesty in government, like you said.

* I just changed my 'truths' to 'untruths' in that sentence to agree with what Seekerof said. I won't be changing truths to untruths again. *

[Edited on 10-7-2003 by MaskedAvatar]

It may be very possible that Bush may get brought up for impeachment, but it will ultimately be decided on by the people through the election process. If Bush gets re-elected, then we might see something different, but as its looking now......the elections will be the tool to remove him.

My opinion and two cents.

regards
seekerof

Seekerof

Glad you liked my dubyaspeak.