San Francisco’s ‘poor street conditions’ a factor in city’s loss of Oracle tech conference

I live in Vegas...what are you talking abouut?a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: Bigburgh

I bought 400 acres with two artesian wells and a 1/2 mile of riverfront for 1/3 of that price.

Crazy!

"You got Mail"

a reply to: underwerks

That's fine. If medieval diseases don't phase you, then that's what federalism is for. California created a rat infested,filth ridden, pestilence plagued Mecca for you. Move there and enjoy it. Most of us would prefer not to dodge used needles, feces, and risk typhus because the rats come up in basements of our workplaces and leave their plague fleas behind.

Different strokes though.

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: Krakatoa

has driven this once golden city into a gold covered turd of a city.

I guess that’s why rent is so cheap there.

Keep it up Scat Francisco LOL, heard rumors Atlanta might get another former San Fecalisco convention. LOL could be worse though they could be Peattle LOL.



SF streets filthier than world's poorest slums, says Berkeley ...
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Feb 19, 2018NBC Bay Area published an analysis of the filthy conditions of 153 downtown San Francisco blocks on Sunday and discovered conditions that compare unfavorably to some of the poorest slums in the world.

San Francisco's filthy, dangerous streets now hurting tourism ...
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San Francisco's filthy, dangerous streets now hurting tourism industry San Francisco's tourism industry is being hurt by its homelessness and littering problems. A major medical association decided to move its annual convention to another city over safety concerns.

Yep. That’s all completely true. I understand that most of you would probably let these people die before having to deal with dirty sidewalks. That’s kind of a right wing thing.

I can’t agree with that. I’ll gladly give up a little temporary comfort if it means the city can give these people a chance to get back on their feet. And that’s not because of any political ideology, it’s because it’s the right thing to do.

Not saying let them suffer and die but letting them crap everywhere without cleaning it up doesn't help their situation either, put porta-potties everywhere. There are better ways to try and take care of these people and yes I know a certain percentage won't ever leave the streets they now live in even if they had somewhere safe to go. Had an uncle we couldn't get off the streets. Its obviously going to take money and the government needs the dollars from conventions so devaluing the city doesn't help. If they don't have enough funds into helping the less fortunate they need to try and centralize locations for homeless shelters, with proper facilities with basic needs.

Even that is a catch 22 because with some with mental issues it can cause them problems being around too many people so they end up isolated devalued dehumanized and defeated, sadly some are so far gone that constant care is the only way for them to survive. Even reaching out with help can make them run further away.

You got that right!

Here is what the liberal leadership is doing:

They offer the homeless in SF 50 bucks if they will take a fare paid bus trip 80 miles east to the outskirts of my city to be dropped off. They take the money and the bus ride, then walk into my city. Its about 5 miles from where they drop them off.

This allows them to cover up some of their failed progressive leadership, and dump their results on my city.

This is why California is one trillion$ in debt
Liberal progressive policies work in my state just like they do in the home when you are raising your children. And these are how these people were raised, Its a liberal cover up. Make the mess, dump it elsewhere and point the finger at those who raised their children correctly. People who defend this type are either confused, Out of touch with reality, totally biased, or just down right liars. Or maybe a combination of all of the above.

Either way, good job progressives. Keep up the good work. Soon you will have the whole nation in this same quagmire of a mess, call for martial law , and do away with that troubling Constitution

originally posted by: RalagaNarHallas
a reply to: underwerks

then why do they ship their homless to hawaii ? or bus them out the city www.sfchronicle.com...

www.nytimes.com...

www.sfexaminer.com...

Add to that stepped up police enforcement with a specialized neighborhood crime unit and a ban of encampments on sidewalks with authority to remove them within 24 hours after offering shelter — two measures that are expected to go before voters in November — and those bus tickets could start looking a lot more appealing to San Francisco’s homeless. Critics, however, say such efforts are sure to make life without a home more challenging, despite the much-praised caring spirit of a city named after the patron saint of the poor, St. Francis. Homeless residents and their advocates appreciate the Greyhound service but are critical when city leaders call it a solution to homelessness. They also consider it misleading, if not outright lying, to count homeless people bused out of town as housed — which The City does. It may also come as a surprise to some that Homeward Bound is considered a primary homeless program for San Francisco; there’s even a city goal to house about half the homeless The City serves and to bus away the other half.

and i visited sf a lot in my youth (i grew up in the bay in santa clara county) its worse now then it was in the 90's and early 2000's the pee smell was always there mixed with the salt air but thats any major city but i never saw any poo on the sidewalks tell the latter 2000's ,the odd drug needle near the tenderloin/Haight-ashbury but back then if i was seeing drugs it was the stoners and hippies visiting from berkley and your big city wineos that come with any homeless population in a big city brown bagging it . the homeless encampments have always been there but apparently getting much worse (no where near LA skiddrow levels mind you) and i spent a lot of time there from 2006-2012 when i worked as a cash drop off man for the CC's (odd how they set them up near the PD station initially lol) and to pretend its not worse then it was in the old days is semi disingenuous

www.sfchronicle.com... on the problems

www.theguardian.com... the real problem is the NIMBY's that tolerate them as long as they "know their place" and stay out of the ritzy areas

When residents from one of San Francisco’s most desirable neighborhoods launched a crowdfunding appeal to block a new homeless shelter, the controversial tactic drew an angry response from the city’s mayor. Their campaign on GoFundMe, best known as a site that hosts fundraisers for medical expenses or victims of natural disasters, has raised around $70,000 from hedge fund managers, executives and authors, which will be used to pay for an attorney. But it also spurred supporters of the shelter to try to beat them at their own game. Since launching on Thursday, a rival GoFundMe has amassed over $73,000. And it had drawn hefty contributions of $10,000 each from the Salesforce CEO Marc Benioff, the Twilio CEO Jeff Lawson and from the company GoFundMe itself. The San Francisco resident who created it, William Fitzgerald, said that the dollars rolling in on the other side shocked him into action. “They clearly don’t like people who don’t have the same amount of money in their bank account as they do, they clearly don’t like people who look different, who sleep outside at night.”

then there are the constant overwhelming hoops you have to jump through to build high capacity housing due to over regulation in ca en.wikipedia.org...

Causes Since the 1960s, San Francisco and the surrounding Bay Area have enacted strict zoning regulations.[6] Among other restrictions, San Francisco does not allow buildings over 40 feet tall in most of the city, and has passed laws making it easier for neighbors to block developments.[7] Partly as a result of these codes, from 2007 to 2014, the Bay Area issued building permits for only half the number of needed houses, based on the area's population growth.[8] At the same time, there has been rapid economic growth of the high tech industry in San Francisco and nearby Silicon Valley, which has created hundreds of thousands of new jobs. The resultant high demand for housing, combined with the lack of supply, (caused by severe restrictions on the building of new housing units[9]) have caused dramatic increases in rents and extremely high housing prices.[10][11][12] For example, from 2012 to 2016, the San Francisco metropolitan area added 373,000 new jobs, but permitted only 58,000 new housing units.[13]

www.vox.com... and now its effecting O town and what is Oklands solution to their homeless issue they want to put them on cruse ships in the bay ,you know out of sight and out of mind . but yeah its those evil republicans doing this right? last time i checked the dems pretty much own all offices of note in the bay area

originally posted by: Bigburgh

originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: Bigburgh

I bought 400 acres with two artesian wells and a 1/2 mile of riverfront for 1/3 of that price.

Crazy!

"You got Mail"

Hey!

That's my girl

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: Bigburgh

That's ridiculous... This house costs half of that and is in a crime free neighborhood located in a violent crime free city (ran by Conservative leaders).

Bwahahahahahahaha

Wow there really is a crime free area in Louisiana?

Cause based on the stats It seems that living in a car in Beirut or Damascus is safer seriously that in the Bayou (where is Steven Segal. Lawman when you need him)

Louisiana experienced the highest per capita murder rate (11.4 per 100,000) among all U.S. states in 2018 for the 30th consecutive year (1989–2018)

Way to go your only ranked 47 for safety

Louisiana dead last for 3rd straight year in 'Best States' list

They spent $551 million to get 64 million convention.
They could have used that money to help people AND clean up the area for the event.
But they just probably update fancy buildings that didn't even need it.
And they think that the rest of the country should be like them.
When they fix San Francisco, Chicago,Detroit and Baltimore maybe we can let them sit at the grown up table.

California..... you have any solution to your crisis ? What about 20 years in the future ?

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: Bigburgh

That's ridiculous... This house costs half of that and is in a crime free neighborhood located in a violent crime free city (ran by Conservative leaders).

Apologies are in order as I besmirched the Federal Tax dollar dependent (3rd out of 50) state of Louisiana and failed to look at the crime free conservative paradise of Bossier City

Its safer than only 4% of US Cities

and

Crime in Zip 71111 (Bossier City, LA)

Crime is ranked on a scale of 1 (low crime) to 100 (high crime)
Bossier City (zip 71111) violent crime is 44.0. (The US average is 22.7)
Bossier City (zip 71111) property crime is 53.2. (The US average is 35.4) www.bestplaces.net...

a reply to: JHumm

One of the biggest problems they have in Cali is that no one really knows the scope of the problem or even how much money is delegated to it through various sources (funding increases to EMTs are mainly to deal with homeless but they aren't tracked as such, for example) and non-profits who's using what services where and how often, etc.

It's great if your livelihood is homeless services, but it does nothing to fix anything.

Other major metros like OKC and Salt Lake ... even NYC do a far better job tracking all this, and have smaller homeless problems as a result.

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: underwerks

I can’t agree with that. I’ll gladly give up a little temporary comfort if it means the city can give these people a chance to get back on their feet. And that’s not because of any political ideology, it’s because it’s the right thing to do.

So give these people free needles to do their drugs with and let them crap on the streets...

Because it's the humane and right thing to do.

Your ideology is sickening and totally demeaning to humanity at large.

What’s sickening and demeaning to humanity at large is how you see other people as being less deserving of the things you have

This is legit retarded thinking. Are you not less deserving of the things others might have? I know I am. No one deserves anything material in this life. We earn it, are graced with it, or we go without.

a reply to: Bigburgh

That house 8 minutes away from me. Most of SF isn't gross. Just the downtown areas and a few other spots but mostly it's very nice. I love it here and I mostly lean right.

a reply to: underwerks

Like this right winger, the LA Times?

San Francisco Homeless Count Goes From Bad to Worse

New York Times and other left wing outlets talk about how bad it is, too. Their descriptions mirror what evil human hating right wingers say.

If you really went into SF as an undercover hobo and saw their struggles firsthand then why would you insist on keeping them down instead of getting them up on their feet without the constant need for help from others?

originally posted by: RalagaNarHallas
a reply to: underwerks

then why do they ship their homless to hawaii ? or bus them out the city www.sfchronicle.com...

But I thought letting the homeless camp, defecate and do drugs in the streets is the humane thing to do? Obviously San Fran is doing so much to help them! That's why there's still so many there. Who would of thought their solution to the homeless problem is let them do whatever they want in the streets and bus them out of the city when you can! So humane.

a reply to: Lumenari

Must be terrible having almost everything paid off, lol... When I was in the process of looking for a house, I drove by one I'd been eyeballing for several years and the owner was hammering a For Sale sign down in front of it. It's on the outskirts of the small town I grew up in and 5 houses down from my parents. He was in the middle of remodeling it but had to move because his wife had shared custody of the kid that belonged to her and her ex so the couple had to relocate to the same district. Since the house was in the remodel stage, I was able to buy it (4 bed, 2900 sq ft) and the 3.5 acres it sat on for $60K. All this thing had were walls and plywood floors throughout. I have 7 years left before it's paid off though. Funny thing is, the same year I pay my house off is the same year my youngest from my ex turns 18. It'll be like a $1,500 a month raise. THEN I'll be in your shoes, PRAISE THE GOOD LAWD!

a reply to: ketsuko

If those don't phase him???? Hell he went in as an undercover hobo so he could live in that!!

I think he watched "Life Stinks" one too many times.

The loss of OpenWorld, which has been held in San Francisco for about 20 years, is raising new concerns about whether the city’s struggles with homelessness, open drug use and street violence may be scaring off tourism and other business, the San Francisco Chronicle reported

Hey now!

Progressive utopias rock!

a reply to: FredT

Uhhhhh, yes? There are lots of crime free neighborhoods in Louisiana. I don't lock my truck doors or my house at night, haven't since the 80's. Sometimes I don't even shut my door so it's just an unlocked storm door keeping stray animals and bugs out.

Almost all of those murder rates link directly to Shreveport or New Orleans, the two most liberal cities in Louisiana. Those two cities bring this state down. Just like Chicago brings Illinois down and Baltimore brings Maryland down.

a reply to: LSU2018

That's the thingwith a lot of major metros. They have their no-go zones where all the people know the real trouble is and everyone does their best to get out of them if they can, and the rest is relatively OK, even if it's dirt poor.