Pentagon says Neither AATIP or AAWSAP were UAP related.

Hello ATS,

I read an interesting article this morning that apparently the Pentagon has sent John Greenwald of the Black Vault, an email
wanting to clear somethings up.

"Pentagon spokesperson Susan Gough wrote that “Neither AATIP nor AAWSAP were UAP related.”
and that "the actual purpose of AATIP was to investigate foreign aerospace weapons systems."

A thought that came to mind immediately is actually addressed in the article.
IF the Pentagon is saying they were not actively studying UAP's then why does Luis Elizondo say they were?!

To my surprise, that very question is actually mentioned in the write-up.

Excerpt:
"The Pentagon’s new stance conflicts with former Department of Defense (DOD) employee, Luis Elizondo. According to Elizondo, he was the director of AATIP, and since coming forward in October of 2017, he’s consistently maintained AATIP did research UFOs / UAPs."

Have a look at the read and tell me what you think.

Is this another Roswell type scenario - The initial admittance of something then taking it back.

Or has this been one giant mix up from the get-go?

The full article can be read at the link below.

Link to Article

a reply to: Macenroe82

Sounds like more smoke and mirrors, doesn't it?

ETA. Interesting it took them this long to issue this "correction". Did it take this long for the various players in the government to agree on a way forward, which included this statement to the Black Vault?

Cheers

a reply to: Macenroe82

The AAWSAP contract mentions nothing about UFOs or UAPs.

You can view the terms of it here : ADVANCED AEROSPACE WEAPON SYSTEM APPLICATIONS PROGRAM - Solicitation

So the Pentagon are technically correct.

However if you believe Elizondo. Then he was Director of AATIP investigating UFOs. Even his own immediate boss didn't know about it. He tried to report things to higher ranks and no one did anything about it. There is no documented proof he was in charge of AATIP that has been produced to date. The Pentagon has claimed he had no responsibilities with the program.

Harry Reid has recently claimed (through George Knapp).



However Harry Reid does not appear to have contacted the Pentagon with this information and made public the necessary references and documentation to get this corrected. If it was his program then he should have that information easily available shouldn't he?

Someone's not telling the full truth here.

a reply to: mirageman

I agree.

It would be interesting is some proof that Elizondo actually worked as part of AATIP came forth.

Then at least that issue could be put to rest.

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

exactly!!! Lets murky things up a little shall we???

originally posted by: Macenroe82
Is this another Roswell type scenario - The initial admittance of something then taking it back.

Well, sort of...

Roswell, as reported in July 1947, was 100% unrelated to ET, such a hypothesis still months away (buoyed by Project Sign in January 1948). Indeed, the only subject on people's minds during Roswell was, to paraphrase Susan Gough in 2019, "foreign aerospace weapons/spy systems" that looked like 'flying saucers' (coined after Ken Arnold's June sighting; Ken similarly suspected foreign spy vehicles). The USAF's hasty boast of retrieving a foreign 'flying saucer/disc' was quickly overturned by their Weather Officer who immediately recognised the balloon wreckage... but not before the print presses began clunking.

So if Gough is correct, the link between AATIP and Roswell is that UFOs/UAPs had nothing to do with either.

I see you are still Confused by this Mirage, Arbit. Because we just went over some of this a few weeks back.

There were 2 interviews before Brazel was in military custody. First when Brazel was in Wilcox’s office, Joyce called and interviewed Brazel. Second was when Brazel was picked up from his ranch and driven to Whitmore’s house, the owner of the local radio station, where a wire interview was recorded. Before these could be played on air the military police took Brazel and his recordings into custody. The FCC warned the station that if any info of his interview got out that they would lose their license.

Escorted by military officers, Brazel showed up later at the radio station and changed his original story to the story version you mentioned. Now that he was in the custody of the military police he claimed that he did not find the debris on July 5th, but instead had found it weeks before in June. He changed the story to fit what the military wanted. Though he did remain defiant enough to say it was not a weather balloon. Obviously they had to control Brazel if they wanted their story to stick. Multiple witnesses saw Brazel during this time and say he was surrounded by military men everywhere he went. Those that tried to talk to him claimed he was a changed man who wanted nothing to do with them.

Before that Brazel was excited over his find. He had told everyone that the wreckage was strewn across the ground so thick and long that the sheep had refused to cross the debris field to get to their water and that he had to take them a mile all the way around it for them to drink. This was why he wanted the debris removed.

This is why we know it would not fit on a table, why it took truck loads to move it, why the military sent hundreds of men to the ranch to retrieve it, why it was not a weather balloon and why it was not even a Mogul balloon train.

The July 9th story was not the truth, it was the military cover-up story. It was not Brazels story, it was the story he was forced to tell.

But if you have read any books on Roswell then you already know all this don’t you.

You know that Brazel only collected a small amount out of the vast amount of material that was spread across the ground. He put it in a box and delivered it to the Chaves County sheriff. They notified the military about this material that could not be cut, burnt or folded. They sent two senior officers to the site, the head intelligence officer of the 509th Bomb Group and the officer in charge of the Counterintelligence Corps unit at Roswell. These men were with the only atomic bomber group in the world. They knew what weather balloon material looked like.
You know that they would not send those two officers all the way out to the ranch over dime store material meant for a weather balloon. You know that the neoprene balloons and paper-backed aluminum foil used in Mogul were not top secret. You know that Brazel’s collection of "rubber", "tinfoil", "tape" and "sticks" that you could buy in a dime store were not enough to warrant a Lt.Col. to announce to the world that the Army had a flying disk. They did not warrant the military to canvas the area and pick up every piece of it no matter how small and remove it. To confiscate the material that the civilians already had and to threaten those civilians with death. You know that Mogul was far from large enough to account for the amount wreckage strewn across the ground, or for the burn scar that was found with it.

Unless you have never read one of the many books on Roswell, you already know all this.

First they claimed it was just a weather balloon. When that lie did not work they claimed it was a secret Mogul test balloon. And then they added to the lie saying they were crash test dummies! Human looking 6 foot dummies that they want us to believe the witnesses confused for 4 foot Grey type living and dead aliens.

Three lies that are so in your face stupid that once you read the details you must be more than Confused to believe in them. Yet you want us to believe in the same lies that you keep believing.

Roswell was 100% ET related. The military is not going to tell you the truth, they are going to lie to you to cover it up.

Unless you are getting paid to post here, do the rest of us a favor and stop promoting the cover-up.

a reply to: spiritualarchitect

I see you are still Confused by this Mirage, Arbit. Because we just went over some of this a few weeks back.

You are losing it.

Where did I even mention Roswell in this thread?

a reply to: spiritualarchitect

I see you are still Confused by this Mirage, Arbit. Because we just went over some of this a few weeks back.

a reply to: celltypespecific

originally posted by: spiritualarchitect
I see you are still Confused by this Mirage, Arbit. Because we just went over some of this a few weeks back.

And I still challenge you to give me one shred of evidence from that period of time (not stories that were spread after Friedman met with Marcel in the late-70s) that proves anybody involved in the Roswell case AT THE TIME believed this had anything to do with an extraterrestrial hypothesis.

But if you have read any books on Roswell then you already know all this don’t you.

One was enough.

You know that Brazel only collected a small amount out of the vast amount of material that was spread across the ground.

He swept it under a brush on 14th June and didn't give it any attention until the Arnold sighting two weeks later and the sudden national obsession with 'flying saucers' as Cold War vehicles, and subsequent reward money - THAT was my point. ET was not on the cards.

You know that they would not send those two officers all the way out to the ranch over dime store material meant for a weather balloon. You know that the neoprene balloons and paper-backed aluminum foil used in Mogul were not top secret. You know that Brazel’s collection of "rubber", "tinfoil", "tape" and "sticks" that you could buy in a dime store were not enough to warrant a Lt.Col. to announce to the world that the Army had a flying disk. They did not warrant the military to canvas the area and pick up every piece of it no matter how small and remove it. To confiscate the material that the civilians already had and to threaten those civilians with death. You know that Mogul was far from large enough to account for the amount wreckage strewn across the ground, or for the burn scar that was found with it.

When was an ET hypothesis ever evoked AT THE TIME? Show me evidence of that and I'll bow down, but I won't bow down to stories told over 30 years later. Stick to my point.

First they claimed it was just a weather balloon. When that lie did not work they claimed it was a secret Mogul test balloon. And then they added to the lie saying they were crash test dummies! Human looking 6 foot dummies that they want us to believe the witnesses confused for 4 foot Grey type living and dead aliens.

The Test Dummies explanation (in the USAF's SECOND report in the late 90s after the initial 1994 report didn't calm the geeks) referred to other incidents that were directly dummy-related, not Roswell, indicating that witnesses coming forward were most likely confusing the dates they'd witnessed 'bodies'. Hell, even Jesse Marcel couldn't remember the date of the Roswell incident in the 1970s.

Three lies that are so in your face stupid that once you read the details you must be more than Confused to believe in them. Yet you want us to believe in the same lies that you keep believing. Roswell was 100% ET related.

I repeat: Show me ONE piece of evidence that ET was a topic of discussion at the time.

The military is not going to tell you the truth, they are going to lie to you to cover it up.

That is a cliched cul-de-sac that is unfalisifiable nonsense - which naturally I cannot prove otherwise, nor can you do so in its favour.

Unless you are getting paid to post here, do the rest of us a favor and stop promoting the cover-up.

God, I wish I was being paid to post here!

You're the third person to suggest this. I'm flattered (and slightly confused) that you think my opinions count for anything, though. UFOs themselves account for about 30 minutes of my attention on any given day, if that.

UFOs themselves account for about 30 minutes of my attention on any given day, if that.

I would say more like several hours

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2
a reply to: Macenroe82

Sounds like more smoke and mirrors, doesn't it?

ETA. Interesting it took them this long to issue this "correction". Did it take this long for the various players in the government to agree on a way forward, which included this statement to the Black Vault?

Cheers

Exactly. This broke in 2017 so now we are to believe 3 years later they now want to set the record straight? LOL

originally posted by: celltypespecific

UFOs themselves account for about 30 minutes of my attention on any given day, if that.

I would say more like several hours

Definitely several hours per day. More likely bordering the obsessed level.

“We need more funding to throw at monitoring OPFOR technology advancements.”

“Sorry, the budget is capped.”

“Ugh, how do we get around that?!”

“Hey, a friend said Senator Reid is a huge UFO guy. Let’s establish a fringe UFO study and pick up the needed funding from that crowd.”

“Well, we know there aren’t aliens flying around.”

“Exactly.”