Canadian Issues:Ontarians with full and part-time jobs increasingly using food banks,

originally posted by: makemap

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: ChefFox

Is Socialism to blame?

No, its not socialism. Privatization which companies can buy out Gov buildings, etc.

Understood. Thanks for summarizing the problem. I guess it's up to the people of Ontario to decide if they want to leave or stay.

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: MALBOSIA

I hear ya man, where does the money go?..my 1st instinct says..bureaucracy!

That's my guess. Competitive private systems have an opportunity to profit if they figure out how to operate effectively. If the service is poor or too expensive, a competitor will take their customers.

a reply to: ChefFox

So blaming things on the liberals even though the premier is Ford😂😂😂 typical.

a reply to: MALBOSIA

That's crap we have a great healthcare system. No it's not perfect but its pretty amazing.

a reply to: MALBOSIA

If you look at the difference we pay in taxes, you could afford insurance and be treated like a paying customer. If not, you still have the county hospital that is on par with the free service you get here in Canada.

I think there is a misconception of the medical system in Canada. Its VERY expensive for tax payers and the treatment is sub par compared to the US health insurance system. The Canadian government had no incentive to offer the service and be cost effective.

But you'd still have to pay something...

theres no misconception... we know that our taxes are bonkers... but we're covered...

it may take a wait, but theres no debt, and no paying insurance each month just in case we have to visit a clinic...

For those that make minimum wage... at least they don't worry about medical problems for the most part...

a reply to: ChefFox

almost 2 grand a month for a one bedroom? Yea, I can see where that would be a problem. But doesn't supply and demand regulate housing prices?

a reply to: ChefFox


Just for the record,

The Canadian federal Government is Liberal, but the Ontario provincial government is Conservative (Doug Ford is often referred to as Donald Ford in the province, as he used similar rhetoric to get votes), my local riding (in Ontario) is Liberal.

He screwed us over hard, but so did Wynn before him.

a reply to: Akragon

I couldn't imagine worrying about the costs of serious illness beyond the hours I would miss at work. It must be absolutely terrifying. While I'm typing this I think I'm beginning to understand why so many Americans seem so hostile and abrasive, it's because they are terrified for themselves and their families, and that stress is breaking them.

I feel so bad for our neighbors to the south.

a reply to: MALBOSIA

Not to mention mental health services.

A year or two back someone I know needed mental health assistance.
They were put on a 9-month waiting list, just to TALK to someone in order to get the ball rolling.
He argued he would be dead by then. Straight up told them, he was not going to make it.

Unfortunately, no matter how much his family and I tried to help him, he committed suicide 1 month later.
Our health care in Canada is a joke if you're actually in need of services.

But if you're a low life drug addict you can wait in the emergency department for 6 hours with some bs story and get prescribed pretty much any type of pills you want.
Such a disgrace.

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: MALBOSIA

originally posted by: putnam6
Yea but you have great healthcare...why is this soley blamed on the fall of the liberal government? its got to be more complex than that. Its not that far off from some of the metro areas in the USA.

No we dont. Our universal healthcare is about the same service you get at your county hospitals. Its pathetic. An MRI can take 6 months, doesn't matter how much pain your in.

I was being sarcastic, as Canadian Healthcare is mostly championed here by the left and Im not sure why either.

Because I was cured of cancer for $32 out of pocket. Nothing is perfect, but it works based upon urgency.
Now...if somebody could track down that Panama Papers dough...

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: MALBOSIA

If you look at the difference we pay in taxes, you could afford insurance and be treated like a paying customer. If not, you still have the county hospital that is on par with the free service you get here in Canada.

I think there is a misconception of the medical system in Canada. Its VERY expensive for tax payers and the treatment is sub par compared to the US health insurance system. The Canadian government had no incentive to offer the service and be cost effective.

But you'd still have to pay something...

theres no misconception... we know that our taxes are bonkers... but we're covered...

it may take a wait, but theres no debt, and no paying insurance each month just in case we have to visit a clinic...

For those that make minimum wage... at least they don't worry about medical problems for the most part...

I do not agree. We are paying a ridiculously high tax for healthcare we may not use, just the same as if you were paying for insurance you dont use. So that's a wash. For the same money you get better care in the US.

And in the US if your on minimum wage you end up in a county hospital, which offers a service similar to Canadas expensive system.

So the only factor is that in the US, those that can afford to can get better healthcare. And why not? Working hard to afford more safety and comfort is basis of our existence.

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: MALBOSIA

originally posted by: putnam6
Yea but you have great healthcare...why is this soley blamed on the fall of the liberal government? its got to be more complex than that. Its not that far off from some of the metro areas in the USA.

No we dont. Our universal healthcare is about the same service you get at your county hospitals. Its pathetic. An MRI can take 6 months, doesn't matter how much pain your in.

I was being sarcastic, as Canadian Healthcare is mostly championed here by the left and Im not sure why either.

I believe the left are championing the Canadian healthcare the solo reason because they believe the Canadian healthcare is FREE, free. But that is really not the case the Canadian healthcare isn't free as liberals in America claim.

Its only free in some aspects of the healthcare. Free example giving births? that's free you wont get charged for that. But if you have diabetes the treatment in Canada is very expensive.

originally posted by: Joecanada11
a reply to: ChefFox

So blaming things on the liberals even though the premier is Ford😂😂😂 typical.

The liberals had being running Ontario for a long long time. Were you aware that previous leftistpremier of Ontario nearly wanted to sell out Ontario's electricity power to America?

Premier ford isn't any better nor different from the Liberals though.

Yea Toronto an over priced # hole these days, where the rent is higher then the amount jobs available that would be able to pay a lease like that.

And it only getting worse because people are dumb enough to want to stay there, where as it infrastructure is basically rotting from the inside. Also the fact that it used one of the few cities you could walk around with out looking over the shoulder are almost a memory.

I have a friend who told me his mom owns a few condos, and the price some of these suckers are willing to pay, you'd be better off paying a mortgage or two, but they are stupid enough to want it. I was baffled about it.

originally posted by: ChefFox

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: MALBOSIA

originally posted by: putnam6
Yea but you have great healthcare...why is this soley blamed on the fall of the liberal government? its got to be more complex than that. Its not that far off from some of the metro areas in the USA.

No we dont. Our universal healthcare is about the same service you get at your county hospitals. Its pathetic. An MRI can take 6 months, doesn't matter how much pain your in.

I was being sarcastic, as Canadian Healthcare is mostly championed here by the left and Im not sure why either.

I believe the left are championing the Canadian healthcare the solo reason because they believe the Canadian healthcare is FREE, free. But that is really not the case the Canadian healthcare isn't free as liberals in America claim.

It's not free...we pay for it in our taxes. And frankly, it's not what you pay in taxes that matters, it's the quality of life you get from them. And on the whole, ours is pretty darn good. For instance, we didn't have the same banking scandal as the U.S. because here, it would have gotten you a jail term. I just want to see the wealthy and the corporations pay their fair share.

a reply to: ChefFox

Progressive economics 101 in action. Meh, who cares. Never yet met a Canadian that wasnt a first class US hating jerk.

originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: ChefFox

Progressive economics 101 in action. Meh, who cares. Never yet met a Canadian that wasnt a first class US hating jerk.

Who doesnt hate or love you guys these days?

originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: ChefFox
Progressive economics 101 in action. Meh, who cares. Never yet met a Canadian that wasnt a first class US hating jerk.

I guess you just don't get around much. I like Americans, and I like visiting the States. Not bothering for a while, now though and I am not alone.

originally posted by: MALBOSIA

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: MALBOSIA

If you look at the difference we pay in taxes, you could afford insurance and be treated like a paying customer. If not, you still have the county hospital that is on par with the free service you get here in Canada.

I think there is a misconception of the medical system in Canada. Its VERY expensive for tax payers and the treatment is sub par compared to the US health insurance system. The Canadian government had no incentive to offer the service and be cost effective.

But you'd still have to pay something...

theres no misconception... we know that our taxes are bonkers... but we're covered...

it may take a wait, but theres no debt, and no paying insurance each month just in case we have to visit a clinic...

For those that make minimum wage... at least they don't worry about medical problems for the most part...

I do not agree. We are paying a ridiculously high tax for healthcare we may not use, just the same as if you were paying for insurance you dont use. So that's a wash. For the same money you get better care in the US.

And in the US if your on minimum wage you end up in a county hospital, which offers a service similar to Canadas expensive system.

So the only factor is that in the US, those that can afford to can get better healthcare. And why not? Working hard to afford more safety and comfort is basis of our existence.

Well I work in health care... and im constantly exposed to sick people... I visit the local clinic several times a year...

From what I understand just visiting a clinic will cost you $500-1k just to see a Doctor in the states.... then the price of meds IF needed...

I never pay a cent... meds cost a bit but benefits take care of 95% of that... no bills... no debt.... no worries

Disagree if you will... but i'll stick with what we have over what they do any day.... sorry

What about free trade, where as one nation sells its resources without tariffs, so another one could manufacture it just so they could sell it back again, with tarriffs?

Which was did lead to us Canadians going full blown liberal?