Crazy UFO sighting, PICS INSIDE

Gas explosion at a bagel factory?

originally posted by: silo13
a reply to: TritonTaranis

No idea what it is - but this pic rules out bird or plane.

All I did was blow it up a bit and used a tiny bit of contrast.

Very cool

How does it rule out a bird or plane you have NO size or distance details and no exposure data.

originally posted by: Arbitrageur

originally posted by: TritonTaranis

originally posted by: LookingAtMars
a reply to: TritonTaranis

Nice images, for sure a UFO.

I am thinking balloons and/or butt cushion.

S&F

I can definitely see how it would be easy to look at the pics and say balloon, but the speeds were imo somewhere in the range of 300mph and upwards, that was the most stand out thing for me other than the interesting shapes, they were very fast

From your description you couldn't even see the object(s) without your phone so it's hard to put much confidence in your speed estimate. Even if you could see them, your speed estimate still wouldn't be reliable because you would have to know the size to estimate the distance and speed. This is true for almost all UFO sightings, where the estimates of the UFO size, distance and speed are notoriously unreliable. This has been proven where UFO reports have eventually resulted in the objects being identified when it was learned the estimates of the UFO size, distance and speed were often way off.

Even a trained observer can only estimate the distance and speed of a known, identified object, which they are able to do because they know how big the object is. Without knowing the size of the object, it's impossible to make an accurate estimate.

Not originally no...

So my partner spotted them, if I didn’t trust she knew what she was looking for or at I wouldn’t have even got up to look, but I knew she was seeing something very interesting as her tone of voice and face said it all

When I got up and looked out I couldn’t see them in the location she was pointing at, roughly a few seconds later I could see them, they approached from Milton Keynes Woburn direction, north, because of where she was pointing originally and to where we lost track, the incident lasted About 20 seconds, I think, all the pictures I took were from 15:58 - 15:58, from the moment she see them to the moment they went off behind us into the distances, visually they were fast and just awesome to watch

But what I did first was point the camera at where she was guiding me and took two pictures still I couldn’t see with the naked eye

These two pictures here
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So what I did next was zoom and I found them with better reference to look with the naked eye again, just as they were about to go behind the house, just as one of the objects banks and rolls over I see it clear as day in the sky like a donut, at that point is when I made a determination as to size, I knew they was still far away and thinking they must be pretty dam big, and literally a second or two later they were gone out of view

I thought they were roughly the size of a car or helicopter, but now I actually think they might have been quite a bit bigger, perhaps the size of a commercial aircraft, around 40ft

Of course it’s a guess I haven’t got any instruments here to accurately do any of that, just a guess

originally posted by: silo13

I think these 'things' are just fab!

Again - I see no bird, plane, or...swamp gas.

Nice find!

Nice find I agree .

OP tell your wife “way to stay alert” .

Thanks for the Embed Silo i’m on my phone and can’t make them out that well.

But I’ve got to a bed that t picture does look like a toilet seat .

I’ve made this video from the live picture

VIDEO

Click the two arrows to enlarge screen and I’ve enlarged the zoom for the second half of the video

I’ll try do a couple more videos of the live pics

originally posted by: Fallingdown

originally posted by: silo13

I think these 'things' are just fab!

Again - I see no bird, plane, or...swamp gas.

Nice find!

Nice fine I agree .

OP tell your wife “way to stay alert” .

Thanks for the Embed Silo i’m on my phone and can’t make them out that well.

But I’ve got to a bed that t picture does look like a toilet seat .

Her phones BOTH of them are broken at the minute, the sighing she see couple weeks back sounds insane, so I’ve bought her a new phone with a decent camera and give her a pat on the back, she’s almost as good as me now

a reply to: TritonTaranis

What do you mean by "live picture"? The photos?

If it's that then making a video doesn't help, it only makes the photos look worse. What we need is for you to put the photos on a site that preserves the EXIF data, as that extra information may be helpful.

PS: your link for the video is not working, it points to a site, not a video.

originally posted by: ArMaP
a reply to: TritonTaranis

What do you mean by "live picture"? The photos?

If it's that then making a video doesn't help, it only makes the photos look worse. What we need is for you to put the photos on a site that preserves the EXIF data, as that extra information may be helpful.

PS: your link for the video is not working, it points to a site, not a video.

Happy to give the EXIF data

What could we learn from it?

I’ll try upload video again

So basically what I’m doing is a screen recording of me moving the slider along so it’s basically like a short video clip

Live Photos is an iPhone camera feature that brings movement in your photos to life! Instead of freezing a moment in time with a still photo, a Live Photo captures a 3-second moving image/clip/video

So while I didn’t actually have time to switch to video after zooming to locate them, I did actually get some video, 3 seconds each picture

Ok try this link for video

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originally posted by: TritonTaranis
Happy to give the EXIF data

What could we learn from it?

We could get an idea of the zoom level used and, at least, the exact time the photos were taken, so we could get a better idea of how much the objects travelled between photos.

I’ll try upload video again

Now it's working.

Live Photos is an iPhone camera feature that brings movement in your photos to life! Instead of freezing a moment in time with a still photo, a Live Photo captures a 3-second moving image/clip/video

OK, I get it.

Is that the real speed or is that speed a result of your moving the slider?

Were there winds aloft when you shot that? In other words, was it windy?

Honestly, it kind of looks like some debris which took flight and was just blowing around. Possibly a couple mylar balloons, one of them crumpled up and the other still inflated.

I know the feature you're talking about on your iPhone. My wife's phone does the same thing, so I understand what you were doing there to create the video. Good job.

ArMaP...it's probably close to real speed. The iPhone takes a very brief section of video before it snaps the still picture (drives me crazy actually on my wife's phone). What the OP is doing is scrolling through consecutive pictures to simulate a video.

originally posted by: ArMaP

originally posted by: TritonTaranis
Happy to give the EXIF data

What could we learn from it?

We could get an idea of the zoom level used and, at least, the exact time the photos were taken, so we could get a better idea of how much the objects travelled between photos.

I’ll try upload video again

Now it's working.

Live Photos is an iPhone camera feature that brings movement in your photos to life! Instead of freezing a moment in time with a still photo, a Live Photo captures a 3-second moving image/clip/video

OK, I get it.

Is that the real speed or is that speed a result of your moving the slider?

It’s the slider, but pretty much real speed, in fact it’s slower on some occasions while I’m trying to show the banking of the craft part and showing the donut shape

Here’s another from earlier I think this was one of the first pic or second pic, there is a car in the clip to show speed

As you can see both object were traveling towards us both looked identical object, for the whole time traveling towards, it wasn’t till the last two pictures, or few seconds of the sighting, as they got to the left of us that they just started spinning and changing shapes, which is the crazy thing about the sighting tbh, my heads trying to understand how they can both look identical shape and formation then produce these shapes simultaneously

Does anybody understand how that’s possible?

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
Were there winds aloft when you shot that? In other words, was it windy?

Honestly, it kind of looks like some debris which took flight and was just blowing around. Possibly a couple mylar balloons, one of them crumpled up and the other still inflated.

I know the feature you're talking about on your iPhone. My wife's phone does the same thing, so I understand what you were doing there to create the video. Good job.

ArMaP...it's probably close to real speed. The iPhone takes a very brief section of video before it snaps the still picture (drives me crazy actually on my wife's phone). What the OP is doing is scrolling through consecutive pictures to simulate a video.

Just cold out, no noticeable windy, maybe a slight breeze 5 mph ?

a reply to: TritonTaranis

Thanks. Okay, based on this I guesstimate the objects to be about 200m +/- from your vantage point, and about 70m in elevation. This would make the objects relatively small, say in the 700mm range +/-.

The iPhone has a 2x optical zoom, and given the object goes from being a speck to being a recognizable object suggests the object is both small, and not too distant from you, else it would zoom to just being a larger speck.

ETA - Also, probably not moving real fast, maybe 50 - 60kph or so. Definitely not moving 300mph. If it was, at that distance, you probably wouldn't have been able to capture it on video. At 300mph and object can travel 1/4 mile in less than 8 seconds. In fact, 300mph = 440fps, so in 60 seconds it would have traveled 24,600 feet, or 5 miles. Doesn't look like you can see 5 miles of horizon at 70m from your vantage point. Maybe if it was at 20,000m AGL, but not at 70m. But if it was at 20,000m, you wouldn't have been able to zoom in on it like that.

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: TritonTaranis

Thanks. Okay, based on this I guesstimate the objects to be about 200m +/- from your vantage point, and about 70m in elevation. This would make the objects relatively small, say in the 700mm range +/-.

The iPhone has a 2x optical zoom, and given the object goes from being a speck to being a recognizable object suggests the object is both small, and not too distant from you, else it would zoom to just being a larger speck.

I’m zoomed on the object to the maximum I think for a couple of shots, the iPhone X is capable of 10x

then I’m zoomed again on the image in my phone for these video clips

Where can I check this on EXIF?

If you go to the first two images in the OP, those are the none zoomed pictures

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk


I think this is some EXIF data on my phones procam features

Is this information helpful to you?

Flight path
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EXIFs (I think)
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Is this saying I’m zoomed out 200mm and pointing towards a hight of 418m ? That’s 13,000ft, but what is the 286mm zoom mean?, on top of that I’m zoomed in on the actual picture which is set on x10 zoom, double tapping to zoom again etc you can see that in the vids

Also I’ve just found a feature which converts the pictures back into proper playback video so will upload them for real speed

Folks see the cool stuff.

All i get is military aircraft. All.the.time...

a reply to: TritonTaranis

I'm thinking some of the cigar shaped UFOs people see are actually flattish disk shaped craft seen only from the side...Perhaps the 2nd one was a bit donutish but had not turned on its side for the hole to be visible...

a reply to: wmd_2008

Because I said so (damn, I should have just said, 'swamp gas' then no one would have questioned a thing).

So truly, how does one rule out a bird or plane with no size or distance details and no exposure data?

In the past, people would reply to UFO sighting posts that describe with no pics saying post pics next time, we cant go on this.

Now, I want to say post a video next time. If you have the time and means to snap pics with a phone, you could just as easily press the record button instead or in addition to the pics. If you have one, can you upload it somewhere? Edit it to a few seconds or less if need be for size. There's no way to tell the speed and trajectory, the way that it moves.

It could zip by fast in a straight line, it could zig zag. It could be slow or even make unnatural turns. It could be floating etc. A text description of how it was moving is about as good as a text description of a sighting with no pics.

originally posted by: FlyingSquirrel
In the past, people would reply to UFO sighting posts that describe with no pics saying post pics next time, we cant go on this.

Now, I want to say post a video next time. If you have the time and means to snap pics with a phone, you could just as easily press the record button instead or in addition to the pics. If you have one, can you upload it somewhere? Edit it to a few seconds or less if need be for size. There's no way to tell the speed and trajectory, the way that it moves.

It could zip by fast in a straight line, it could zig zag. It could be slow or even make unnatural turns. It could be floating etc. A text description of how it was moving is about as good as a text description of a sighting with no pics.

No, I couldn’t switch to video, here’s why

I honestly wasn’t expecting it to be over so quickly

Generally to the other way around... I see something odd, I then can’t see it or pick it up in the camera, so I use the camera zoomed to spot it before I video, as the video zoom seems to bum out and lose focus, the camera doesn’t seem to do that, no idea, so that’s my method usually, and then use references to direct the camera with eye/glasses on

This was reverse, this time I just had to use her eyes and find it in the camera as I never had glasses on, by the time it was in the camera zoom, so only then was I thinking about taking it out of cam/pics for a video but then they was going over the house to the left of us and there was no point, the best I could do was snap as many as I could, I managed I think 3 pics while it was in visual

It was about 15 seconds from start to end from the first pick to last, half that time I was looking for the objects my partner was watching coming towards us about maybe 5/8 seconds before I snapped the first pick, and the pics are time orderly on OP, during that time I was decided whether she was serious or not, then I rushed to the window, grabbed phone, unlocked, hit camera (because I knew I had to find it) , took two pictures while it was out of my eye sight/vision but well within hers, they were directed shots, took two pictures, zoomed, found it, zoomed, took a picture, see it with own eyes, took two more pictures and then they was gone over the roof to the side, far away to the left, phone data show I was zoomed 286mm south west at an altitude of 418m from the first floor sitting on the window seal hanging half out the window, video shows that, then I also zoom in on the zoomed video which was x10

And the more I think about where she was pointing originally to the other reference points before I’d even got up to walk to the window she was pointing to a direction which was more directly behind the house, so when she’s up in a hour or so I’ll ask where she first spotted them exactly from the same view point, but if they did it would mean they flew more of a curved flight path or a V because I’m missing at least 5- 8 seconds of what she saw, and now thinking she wasn’t pointing there first

Anyway, So here is the last two pictures, both now a 3s video, in real-time speed with all the zooms and also some exif on the still images

Be good if someone could calculate a speed and size from the data



Ive found this but my math is crap if anybody wants to give it a go

I was using an iPhone 5, and with a little Googling, we can learn some key pieces of information about its camera sensor:

pixel resolution: 3264 x 2448
focal length: 4.10mm
sensor size: 4.54 x 3.42 mm

So: the first formula above for "Working Distance" can tell us the distance at which a subject of a given size will fill the sensor's frame. With the camera in landscape orientation, and a subject 2m tall (2000mm), we get: (3.42 + 2000) * 4.10 -------------------- = 2401.76mm, or about 2.4m 3.42

So if you stand about 2.4m away from a 2m tall person, they should fill the frame in landscape orientation. For portrait, you'll need to step up to about 1.8m away. That's all fine and wonderful for filling the frame. But we want to calculate for arbitrary distances, by seeing how much of the frame our subject takes up. That's what the second formula is for. Let's again use our 2m tall subject, and plug numbers in. For this experiment, let's say that we've examined our image, and the subject in the photo is taking up 1800 pixels, vertically.

Plugging into the second distance formula, we get: 4.10 * 2000 * 2448 ------------------ = 3260.82mm, or ~ 3.26m 1800 * 3.42

And if the subject took up the same 1800 vertical pixels in portrait mode, then we could guess that the photographer was about 3.28m away.

This all assumes that the formulae given above are correct. And again, I only did rudimentary attempts at verifying the 'full-frame' measurements (once with a subject about 28cm tall, then with a subject about 1.7m tall). But my eyeball estimates looked reasonably close to what the formula predicted.