Hill Testimony Validates Trump Election Tampering

a reply to: Gryphon66

We know the allegations about carter page, or for that matter any trump associate in the steel dossier have never been confirmed.

Yet the dossier was used to get a fisa warrant, while it was still unverified (as it continues to be), to spy on carter page.

(BTW, CNN is reporting an FBI agent or lawyer is being criminally investigated for lying on fisa documents against Page as well)

Just because a document makes an obvious claim "russia wants to interfere in the election) doesnt mean we should take its bold cliams of US citizens connected to a campaign working with russians to steal an election seriously.

And we certainly shouldnt use it, even if we think there is other evidence of these claims (spoiler alert, there wasnt as mueller admitted not one american conspired with russia in an illegal way regarding the 2016 election), to spy on a rival campaign if its not verified.

The irnoy again is the Kremlin sourced steele dossier paid for by the dnc, used by Obamas intel community, and shouted about by the media to smear trump and his team was the most effective example of russian interference.

originally posted by: Bhadhidar
Then the first, and apparently, only time that a quid pro quo/“this-for-that” arrangement was mentioned, Was By President Trump, Himself

Again...

Quid pro quo is part and parcel of all - I repeat, all diplomatic relations. Get over it.

In his phone call to Ambassador Sondland the day After! the whistleblower complaint was made and the President likely became aware that the contents of the his call to the Ukrainian President were being scrutinized!

Became aware? He has known that all of his diplomatic calls are listened in on by lots of people. It is SOP.

a reply to: Grambler

A judge issued the FISA warrants. You don't have the details yet about the integrity of those warrants. You doubt the integrity but that's all you have at this moment.

And no one took the claims on the Steele material as the sole evidence in any matter... If you have the proof of that post it.

Team left OWNS the Steele Dossier.

Perkins Coie was hired in 2015 as counsel for the presidential campaign of Hillary Clinton.[2] As part of its representation of the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee, Elias retained the intelligence firm Fusion GPS for opposition research services. Those services began in April 2016 and concluded before the 2016 U.S. presidential election in early November. A notable product of that research was the dossier describing alleged attempts by Russia to promote the presidential campaign of Donald Trump.[12] During the campaign, the Clinton campaign and the DNC paid Perkins Coie $5.6 million and $3.6 million respectively.[12] On October 24, 2017, Perkins Coie released Fusion GPS from its client confidentiality obligation.[12]

They should be raided just like Cohen's office since they are NOT offlimits, and a CLEAR CRIME was committed.

a reply to: Gryphon66

What we do know is the evidence against carter page, or for that matter any trump associate working with russians to illegally influence the election, all turned out to not pan out.

So the fact that some evidence had to be fabricated to be put in the fisa warrant (if that was damaging enough) is even more damning.

a reply to: neo96

Excuse me Neo but ...

Duh. We've known who paid for it and how for two years.

a reply to: Grambler

And yet you still don't currently have proof of "some evidence had to be fabricated" for the FISA process.

a reply to: Grambler

Not good when the first point in your line of reasoning is false.

originally posted by: Grambler
Hills testimony showed something else

She admitted she heard Ukrainian parliamentary member Leshchenko was a source for Steele’s dossier

She admits she now knows the dnc paid for the dossier

She admits the dossier was a rat hole and Steele was duped

She admits it would be improper for a political party to pay foreign officials for dirt in opponents

Given this, how can she claim there was no Ukrainian interference?

a reply to: Phage

he reached out to her during the 2016 election:

That was prior to the time that I had any knowledge about the dossier. He was constantly trying to drum up business, and he had contacted me because he wanted to see if I could give him a contact to some other individual, who actually I don’t even recall now, who he could approach about some business issues.

www.thenewamerican.com...

Urkainian legislator Serhiy Leshchenko, Solomon noted, provided anti-Trump dirt to Fusion GPS, the Clinton campaign cut-out that paid British spy Christopher Steele, the man who hoked up the notorious “dossier” the FBI used to justify spying on Trump campaign aide Carter Page. In December of last year, a Ukrainian court ruled that legislator Serhiy Leshchenko broke the law when he released information about Manafort.

www.thenewamerican.com...

But there was no Ukraine involvement ....

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Is this statement true or false?

She admitted she heard Ukrainian parliamentary member Leshchenko was a source for Steele’s dossier

Manafort?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Is this statement true or false?

She admitted she heard Ukrainian parliamentary member Leshchenko was a source for Steele’s dossier

Steele was in the Ukraine to get dirt on Trump. Correct?
Manafort was part of Trump's team. Correct?

You don't think there is any connection between Manafort and Trump, no connection at all?

a reply to: Phage

I don't know enough about her, but Leshchenko was a source, or do you disagree?

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Steele was in the Ukraine to get dirt on Trump. Correct?

I don't know.

You don't think there is any connection between Manafort and Trump, no connection at all?

Do you think Trump is connected to Manafort's business dealings in Ukraine? Interesting.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

I don't know enough about her, but Leshchenko was a source, or do you disagree?

Let me know when Solomon's claim is corroborated.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Steele was in the Ukraine to get dirt on Trump. Correct?

I don't know.

You don't think there is any connection between Manafort and Trump, no connection at all?

Do you think Trump is connected to Manafort's business dealings in Ukraine? Interesting.

Then let me tell you, he was in the Ukraine to get dirt on Trump. Hill admits he contacted her for her help. She admits helping him contact someone, but conveniently can't recall who it was.
Trump had nothing to do with it but that did not stop the media and liberals from using it against Trump, exactly the purpose of Steele being in the Ukraine. Leshchenko was convicted of it, it's a fact it happened.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

She admits helping him contact someone, but conveniently can't recall who it was.

Seems you think you do know something about her, contrary to your previous statement. Except that she testified she knows nothing about a Ukraine connection to the dossier.

Then let me tell you, he was in the Ukraine to get dirt on Trump.

How do you know he was in Ukraine (not "the Ukraine")?

a reply to: Phage

....

Republicans are also interested in Leshchenko because he was once a source of information for Fusion GPS, the research firm behind the controversial “dossier” that alleged members of Trump’s campaign were coordinating with the Russian government to interfere in the 2016 election.

A former researcher at the firm, Nellie Ohr, told lawmakers last year that Fusion GPS would pursue leads provided directly by Leshchenko.

Ohr’s husband, Bruce, is the senior Justice Department official who acted as a conduit between the FBI and the author of the “dossier,” former British spy Christopher Steele.

abcnews.go.com...

No connections whatsoever, my bad.

a reply to: Phage

Unlike you who never makes mistakes. It was a 7 hour tetsomony that I watched and didnt have a transcript at the time of the posting.

I acknowledged the correction.

So instead of her acknowledging sworn testimony which show leshenko was a steele dossier source, she was told it and didnt dispute it.

Doesnt change the thrust of my post at ll.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Yes. I know about Ohr. But we're talking about Hill.

And I asked how you know that Steele was in Ukraine. It was a request for information.

a reply to: Grambler

Doesnt change the thrust of my post at ll.

Since the first point in your chain of reason is directly contradicted by her testimony, I disagree.