Intelligence Authorization Act would Criminalize Whistleblowers and Reporters

The CIA’s “Intelligence Authorization Act” Would Criminalize Whistleblowers and Reporters

This article from July 2019 provided a warning:

“House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff is once again putting the interests of the intelligence agencies in concealing their misdeeds ahead of protecting the rights of ordinary Americans by criminalizing routine reporting by the press on national security issues and undermining congressional oversight in his Intelligence Authorization bill,” said Daniel Schuman, policy director, Demand Progress.

He added: “Schiff’s expansion of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act beyond all reason will effectively muzzle reporting on torture, mass surveillance, and other crimes against the American people — all at the request of the CIA. Schiff is clearly the resistance to the resistance, and he should drop this provision from his bill.”

We now have Adam Schiff with his ongoing impeachment inquiry running in contempt of due process. On the surface and as an outsider to these proceedings it does look like a joke and a farce of law. With Schiff protected by legislation in his lies, denials of questions and limitations of witnesses, this impeachment push is proceeding. Its effect is working to intimidate Donald Trump by keeping the pressure up to find any little thing they can on him.

The recent conviction of Roger Stone and the current incarceration of Field McConnell both fall into this legislative push to protect the deep state at all costs. What we are witnessing is a clash of laws as the common law has been subverted by civil and legislative laws. Kevin Annett has done a lot of good research on how the Vatican has exploited these issues, link

6. Common and Civil (Roman) Law are therefore fundamentally opposed and are at war with each other. They cannot be reconciled, since they arise from two completely different notions of humanity and justice: Common Law knows life as a free gift given equally to all, while under Civil Law, life is a conditional privilege, and humanity is a managed slave populace. Accordingly, governments operate in practice according to Civil (statute) law and denigrate or ignore Common Law altogether through the rule of unaccountable judge-dominated courts.

7. The most extreme form of elite-based Civil/Roman Law is what is called Papal or Canon Law, which defines the Church of Rome as the only legitimate authority on earth to which all other laws, people and governments are subordinate. Canon law is self-governing and completely unaccountable to anything but itself...

8. The Church of Rome was the first and is the oldest corporation on our planet: a legal entity designed for the protection of tyrants, which nullifies the individual liability and responsibility of the elites for any crime or conquest they perpetrate. From Rome and the Vatican Incorporated has spread the contagion that now threatens to destroy our planet and our lives, as unaccountable corporate oligarchy everywhere subverts liberty and the health of our planet by subordinating all of life to profit and power.

Ron Paul has also commented on his views of this act, No More Wikileaks! Intelligence Authorization Bill Criminalizes Whistleblowers And Reporters


In conclusion it may look like a show with all the ridiculous stuff going on in congress. In reality it is much more serious as we have different people playing by different sets of rules. When we have a basketball team playing against a football team all we are left with is anarchy. Just what law are we going to be left with once it all settles down? The common law does have a lot more people behind it while the law of tyrants has a lot more resources and freedom in what it can do.

Kiddie Fiddler friends of Ed Buck don't seem to follow the rules.

Good Post S&F

a reply to: kwakakev

An excellent OP and thank you for taking the time to post it.

For those on the left that are cheering on this "impeachment inquiry" and the precedent it sets, please remember...

Henry Kissinger pointed out that Democratic voters are "useless eaters".

They will serve a purpose in keeping the Democratic party in power, BAMN.

Once we vote in the first Democratic Socialist, we will never have an election again in this country.

When that happens, the first bunch of people that will be put into mass graves will be the ones that were stupid enough to support it in the first place.

Simply because after, they will be a net negative to the State monetarily so will need to be gotten rid of... for the greater good.

See... history.

a reply to: kwakakev

There will have to be some violence in the near future. But that can only
come thru the armed forces. Anything less would be impotent.

Can't Schiff be arrested and charged with something?

SnF

a reply to: kwakakev

You lost me at this.

We now have Adam Schiff with his ongoing impeachment inquiry running in contempt of due process.

Due process for a president that can not be charged by the DOJ? The president is by all means above the law and due process cannot apply to someone who immune to the entire DOJ process.

There is an entirely different process for holding a president accountable for his actions and that involves both congress and the senate.

As for the expert in the OP named Daniel Schuman I am not sure I can agree with his interpretation of the bill. The section referring to WikiLeaks IMO it doesn't say what he claims.

This is the entirety of what it says on the matter.

733.Sense of Congress on WikiLeaks
It is the sense of Congress that WikiLeaks and the senior leadership of WikiLeaks resemble a nonstate hostile intelligence service often abetted by state actors and should be treated as such a service by the United States.

There are bunch of other things in the bill, some seem a little disconcerting and it is from both parties.

Snowden and Assange didnt make any sort of difference.

Whether its outlawed or not i dont know how much it really matters.

a reply to: S777S

Don't kid yourself. Snowden made a huge difference. People thought the government was spying on us but there was no proof. Snowden changed all that and since then laws have been passed. The gov still spies but they can't do it as they did. They get around it by getting the info from private companies like facebook, twitter, and all the other social media giants.

a reply to: Grimpachi

Don't kid yourself. Snowden made a huge difference. People thought the government was spying on us but there was no proof. Snowden changed all that and since then laws have been passed. The gov still spies but they can't do it as they did. They get around it by getting the info from private companies like facebook, twitter, and all the other social media giants.

See what people should take note of here? Before Snowden, doubters
were so quick to label the above a conspiracy theory. Couldn't seriously
discuss anything if the CIA were indicated to be spying on the american
people. Now after Snowden, it's accepted as common knowledge. The
point is just because there is no proof for something doesn't mean it isn't
happening. Doesn't make it a CT. Especially when evidence is at the mercy
of the implicated.

Like the Dems are doing now labeling Biden's crimes CT and using a half
baked CT to indicate DT committed a crime. They're pulling it off because
the have all the power every where else accept the Presidency. And it's
un nerving to imagine what will happen if they ever get what they want.

And here come their lil robot supporters all programmed for hate. Just
begging to take down a great american POTUS. I laugh at them now.
but I'm gonna bust a gut if they ever get what they want.

TRUMP
20/20

a reply to: Grimpachi

I agree with you on that. There is now at least evidence that everything is basically recorded by the Nsa which years ago was just a conspiracy theory that made the majority of us who at least knew about it sound like nut cases to the average citizen. The fact of the matter though is it made no difference to anyone. It's treated as novelty which people joke about now.

a reply to: carsforkids

There will have to be some violence in the near future. But that can only come thru the armed forces. Anything less would be impotent. Can't Schiff be arrested and charged with something?

Yeah, ouch...? If Hillary did get locked up on day one of Mr Donald Trump presidency then the risk of violence is high. It is not just her but the people and systems behind her. The CIA have been over throwing governments all over the world for a long time. Democratic leaders are not in their corporate interests. JFK is a good heads up for people who want to question and challenge their legality.

With Q bring up project looking glass, I don't know. Does my head in thinking about a fractal reality. Future proves past. Getting back to reality as I know it, the art of war of knowing your enemy. Epstein did not kill himself.

As for Schiff and what can be done, E Clause LLC and its work in loss prevention is one to watch. At the moment it is still a small operation like Tim Fitton with Judicial Watch. Their rightness is stellar and a world I want to be a part of should we sink or swim. Basically they are trying to cut through all the word salad of law and get it all back to the foundations. As a society we would not of made it this far with the law. Sure it has it problems, but there are ways to fix it so lets focus on that and use the systems in place to resolve it. I like their goal in looking for a better legal system than everyone dying.

a reply to: Grimpachi

Due process for a president that can not be charged by the DOJ? The president is by all means above the law and due process cannot apply to someone who immune to the entire DOJ process.

Are you serious? Are you really serious?? Like WTF??? I generally agree with a lot of your post but you look to have dropped the ball on the the separation of powers with this one.

What is all this Muller. 2-3 years, 30$+ Million and a nothing burger. Now Schiff going on about whistle blowers that he does not know about? Yeah lets lock up Roger Stone for some apparent lies after 700 questions about wikileaks, but don't even question James Alefantis.

And No. A President cannot be charged by the DOJ. It does take an act of congress to remove a sitting president. it sure looks like Nancy Pelosi is trying with her kids wrapped up with Biden's kids and Burisma. Do you really want to be governed by a system that traffics in weapons, drugs and people? I don't know, maybe you do? I atleast want to be governed by a system that I am free to talk about.

a reply to: kwakakevand

I read you clear even in regards to Fitton. I'll say this I wish I could see the
path back to where your thinking but. The power I see propelling the
socialists, emboldening worms like Shiff, must not be underestimated by
any means. Not when it has me wondering if some of the unwillingness
we see in congress. To take some kind of measure against this travesty
we have before us now. I mean this is an attempted coupe d'tat. Flat
out plain and simple. And we just have to sit and watch it? The power
driving it must immense and I can't really tell. But if that's causing
fear maybe in in congress or maybe in Barr or even DT? Then we have
a problem of some magnitude!

I don't think anyone should take it lightly when The POTUS himself has
warned us and I quote." These are some very bad people". All I have to
do to believe him is look at Shiff. There comes a time to put away the
peace signs and two fingered gestures and pick up a gawd damn rifle.
And we won't be able to do that if we wait until we don't have rifles.

I get it "Patriotism is a virtue of the vicious"

Oscar Wilde

But

"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the
people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason
for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last
resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government

Thomas Jefferson

What are we seeing right now? A bunch of gawd damn socialists committing
treason trying everything to take down the best President this country has ever
seen. And it can't even be mistaken for any other reason but to install TYRANNY.

a reply to: carsforkids

I see the fear, uncertainty and frustration. Here in Australia I am shielded from the front of it, but I know if America falls we will not be too far behind. The economic stuff going on is beyond my pay grade, I am looking for the fundamentals.

To be real about this stuff what are you really going to do if it all comes crushing down? Who are you going to shot to restore the republic once anarchy takes hold? The best you can do is save yourself and your family from the hordes of the lost. When the military rocks up an AR15 is not going far. This is worst case and hopefully it does it not happen. Having a course of action if it does is better than staring at a blank wall.

Barr speaks at the Federalist Society's National Lawyers Convention


Australia has a strong history of convicts, the main crime was being poor and part of city that needed to expand. Apart from the aboriginals, many nations did try and colonies these lands, a few surviver assimilated over the years. It was the discipline of the British that gave them the foothold over this nation from my research. Many died along the way.

Looking into the history of the deep state there are dark forces at play and have been for generations. Donald Trump challenging the status quo is his burden. All drugs are poisonous in quantity, too much water will kill you. How does the medical community manage its funds with curing a nation? Capitalism did shine a light on this darkness as people put their money on what works. But how can something as complex as vaccinations find a path to righteousness when Facebook censors any discourse on this topic?

There are many other complex issues as ternary feeds of ignorance. I am too dumb to know it all. i do see a freedom of speech as a light out of the darkness of ignorance. When we can no longer talk about a topic, stupidity wins.

a reply to: kwakakev

I relish the response. I've always felt anger first and despite it being
seen as something negative in the human being. It can certainly prove itself
a positive when a man must be fierce. What's going on here in this country
that my children's children will live their lives in is making me very angry.

Donald Trump is risking it all for us. And the american people have become
so docile we are just gonna let him take the fall as well. Gawd it makes me
sick. Because I've always been the guy who jumps up when challenged to " Do
something about it?"

Is DT just there to give us one cruel little taste of what we could've had?
Or is he truly a God send and can not be defeated? We are watching the
ancient war being fought right before our eyes. Or so it would seem.

a reply to: carsforkids

Your candor in the response is admirable. I have felt it at times on these boards as well, have not been as brave to admit it. I do acknowledged the relish as an attempt to get those few remaining brain cells working.

Donald Trump was the last bastion of hope before the military divided amongst itself. It is a big organization with a some some good, some bad and a lot of gray. I know killing sucks, but it is a job that has to be done at times. When we cannot be honest about why we do it is where I have issue.

In these times, to even be aware and talk about it is doing something. I see the President is trying. As with any new job it take a few years to get the hang of it. His discourse has become more presidential over these years. He still keeps it simple and calls it as he sees it, something that is rare for such a position. His ability to talk from the heart to the people and not need a script is where it is at.

Election fraud is the biggest issue I see in the near term. If you want to fight this is where the pitch forks need to go and hold them accountable. From here congress and the state legislatures do have the power to dismantle the corrupt judicial proceedings. To fight for your kids we need a more comprehensible set of laws.

I know this is tough one with libraries full of precedents and rulings, people who get thousands of dollars an hour to find some doubt for the guilty to go free. Laws that further enrich the wealthy to sell drugs out of one door and jail those users in another. Law that sell guns to both sides of a conflict. Laws that put a value on morality. I have paid a price from my mistakes, I accept most of that, some I just let it go rather than letting eat away at me.

If there was an easy answer to all the conflict of humanity perhaps it would not be such a fight. This answer has me relishing it as well.

He added: “Schiff’s expansion of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act beyond all reason will effectively muzzle reporting on torture, mass surveillance, and other crimes against the American people — all at the request of the CIA. Schiff is clearly the resistance to the resistance, and he should drop this provision from his bill.”

1. Schiff.
2. I thought they don't torture anymore after the Schiff they made under Gw?
3. We'll NEVER know the whistleblowers identity.

In other words.

Schiff and company we're against the CIA until they were for it, and that # is about number 3 more than anything else.

a reply to: kwakakev

Yes, more Wikileaks! If it wasn't for Wikileaks often we wouldn't know what it is our government is doing, or doing to us. May we be reminded that Wikileaks has never had to retract a story ie. it has always told the truth. Where is the outrage about Julian Assange's silencing? Wikileaks specializes in the analysis and publication of large datasets of censored or otherwise restricted official materials involving war, spying and corruption. Julian Assange is a publisher and should be released.

When we go after, publishers, independent investigative journalists (a dying breed) and true whistle blowers*, we all lose. MSM deals mostly propaganda on many topics. So, where will the truth be found?

*Not like the whistle blower in the Ukraine-gate /Trump impeachment who's more like a leaker. In the context of a true whistle blower who with a conscious comes forward with a true injustice, risks certainly his or her job (and life as they know it) at the very least, and at worst a lengthy jail sentence.

[I am not a fan of Trump per say, I consider myself an independent. After the Democrats and Hillary stole the nomination from Bernie Sanders - one of the few fighting for working people/workers - Trump was the only somewhat anti-establishment candidate left. People have been hurting in this country (as in the world) from 40 years of Neo-liberal economic ideology /policies practiced by both parties. Where were the working folks of America supposed to turn to, Clinton who represented the establishment? I think not. And after all Trump did run a sorta populist campaign. Now what he does once in office is well a question mark. But after, years of Neo-liberal economics (started by Reagan and Thatcher, and continued with Bill Clinton who "finished the house that Ronnie built" ie. NAFTA, banking deregulation, etc), and Obama who did nothing but cozy up to Wall Street. Hillary was the worst candidate possible. Obama voters stayed home, dismayed after eight years, realizing that "Hope and Change" didn't happen.

And yes Trump has his faults, but let's not pretend that corruption is new because of him. He hasn't had the time to reach the levels of corruption that the Democratic party and the Clintons have risen to. And Republicans are also corrupt. But one can't accept one, without accepting the other.

PS: Personally I did not care for either Trump or Clinton. But let's be real, the Democrats gave us Donald Trump. Because til this day, their party leaders (Pelosi, Schumer, Perez) offer the voters nothing but platitudes, Russia-gate, and "we're not Trump". And now, add this weak impeachment (Biden and son Hunter are more culpable in Ukraine corruption, Clinton too and even more so with her own Russian corruption).. All a losing strategy that most certainly will insure a Trump victory in 2020.]

a reply to: kwakakev

Also, Julian Assange was popular 10 years ago, when he revealed Bush atrocities, but today not so much after leaking stuff about Obama and Hillary's emails, and also not popular among journalists (maybe cause they're mostly terrible):

Julian Assange gets standing O at Ted Talk
youtu.be...

Assange has ‘physical proof’ Russia didn’t hack DNC
www.rt.com...

a reply to: kwakakev

Your candor in the response is admirable. I have felt it at times on these boards as well, have not been as brave to admit it. I do acknowledged the relish as an attempt to get those few remaining brain cells working.

I assume by using the plural for " Brain cells" you meant your own.
I have trouble keeping track of the one I possess.

I accept most of that, some I just let it go rather than letting eat away at me.

Another flaw I have tried to control with little success.

Australia a fascinating place that I would love to see. Although it does seem
to be a very hot environment.

originally posted by: Synchronicity1
a reply to: kwakakev

Also, Julian Assange was popular 10 years ago, when he revealed Bush atrocities, but today not so much after leaking stuff about Obama and Hillary's emails, and also not popular among journalists (maybe cause they're mostly terrible):

Julian Assange gets standing O at Ted Talk
youtu.be...

Assange has ‘physical proof’ Russia didn’t hack DNC
www.rt.com...

Assange is a "let the chips fall where they may" type I think. FREE JULIAN!

He and Snowden have done the world some favors no doubt.

ETA

I am sure lies and manipulation are not the way to allow our gov's to do us without a response.