What's Behind Socialism's New Appeal Among Americans?

a reply to: links234

This is perfect

originally posted by: links234
a reply to: Edumakated

Depending on the wealthy to just keep spending their money so it 'trickles down' isn't and hasn't worked, ever. There's only so many billion dollar homes you can buy, so many billion dollar yachts you can buy. Shoving more wealth to the 6,000 billionaires in the world in hopes that they just spend it all isn't the answer to anything other than 'How do we make the rich richer?'

More than half of America's wealth is tied up by a handful of people, these same people aren't paying any taxes as one so-called billionaire once put it, 'that makes me smart.' They're not offering good paying jobs, they're offering demanding jobs that pay the bare-minimum from keeping people quitting. No one in the world works hard enough every day to 'earn' $100,000/hour.

America is built on the backs of and kept afloat by the people who are working two or more jobs for barely above minimum wage and are yearning for an opportunity to get even a glimpse of a 401(k) and hoping, beyond all hope, that they don't get sick because they can't afford to miss a day of work.

They arent offering jobs? Go ask seattle how many jobs amazon has created. Microsoft? Are you serious?

You cant be worth billions unless you are creating many times that in wealth for others.

I just showed you in the OP how 100 people pay 12% of the taxes in one state. Federally, the top 1% pay like 35% of all taxes. To claim these people pay no taxes us patently false. Sure they want to minimize as anyone else but it is straight up bullsh×t to claim they arent paying taxes.

a reply to: Edumakated

They're still super rich aren't they? If they are, then the typical envious leftist is pretty sure they aren't paying enough.

a reply to: ChefFox

Socialism is popular because the globalists support it. This was a popular CIA program in the 60s were they would implement Socialism in South American which ended bankrupting them for the Central Banks. They have been trying to implement it for a long time in the USA, but it's difficult due to the constitution being the polar opposite from Socialism. So they tried to stack the court with radical left-wing judges, thank God Trump came in on time to start reversing this globalists policy to enslave the masses under the guise of socialism.

a reply to: Edumakated

I can pay someone a penny a day to do all my chores around the house. That wouldn't make me great cause I created a job I'd be an ass because I'd be horribly underpaying my worker. It's not a matter of them creating jobs, of course they create jobs. There's nothing great about creating jobs all by itself. It's the quality of the job and if the job creates a worthwhile improvement to it's worker's lives.

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: Edumakated

I can pay someone a penny a day to do all my chores around the house. That wouldn't make me great cause I created a job I'd be an ass because I'd be horribly underpaying my worker. It's not a matter of them creating jobs, of course they create jobs. There's nothing great about creating jobs all by itself. It's the quality of the job and if the job creates a worthwhile improvement to it's worker's lives.

You could indeed pay someone a penny a day to do your chores, but who would do them for that wage?

Workers don't have to take your crummy job.

A lot of times, people look at someone doing a job from the outside and deem their situation to be untenable for some reason forgetting entirely that they entered into the agreement to work under those conditions. They also forget that compelling an employer to run a business according to outside rules also imposes hidden costs on not just the employer, but also his/her employees and the consumers.

Consequences can include loss of jobs, loss of business, higher prices, just to name a few.

a reply to: ketsuko

Thing is, people need to at minimum, eat and have a roof over their head. Which is all a job has to offer to get workers. Without these things people will die, and there are more workers than their are jobs, so there's no incentive for jobs to pay more than the bare minimum to keep people alive because there will always be some desperate slub willing to do it.

I'm not good with that. I'm saddened that so many are.

a reply to: Puppylove

What a bleak view of the world you have. I haven't had to work a job at that level for years now, and the last time I did, I was still in college where entry level was entirely appropriate to my situation.

Thing is that if you are good at what you do and you have skills, you won't be at entry level for long.

But if you expect to just have someone pay you a comfortable 6-digit salary for simple burger flipping because you exist and you deign to do that for 8 hours a day, then you don't understand economics. However, if you wish to try it all out, I invite you to start your own business and pay your workers that much.

Not only that, but don't make the mistake of thinking a centrally controlled command economy will give you what you think you want either.

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: Edumakated

I can pay someone a penny a day to do all my chores around the house. That wouldn't make me great cause I created a job I'd be an ass because I'd be horribly underpaying my worker. It's not a matter of them creating jobs, of course they create jobs. There's nothing great about creating jobs all by itself. It's the quality of the job and if the job creates a worthwhile improvement to it's worker's lives.

You think the jobs Microsoft and amazon pay pennies? Try well into 6 figures for middle management jobs. Tens of thousands of jobs that pay like that.

A job is a job. Some jobs dont pay well, some do. Every job ain't going to pay 75k or even 100k.

a reply to: ketsuko

Health care is the issue. It's the biggest thing holding people back. At this point, that's all I'm asking for, figuring out the health care system. Do that and I'll shut up. People need health care to show up at work, and not being in debt for taking care of themselves as is necessary to continue working.

a reply to: MonkeyFishFrog

What, you thought to start at the top?? Sorry, the world doesn't work that way. I used to do job interviews, and I lost count of the number of college age kids who thought they should be managers...or in some sort of supervisory position.

Nope. You start at the bottom just like everyone else. You work hard. Make sure you get noticed by the right folks, and then you work even harder. You earn the position.

Life don't give you ####, my friend. You earn it, and make 'em give it to you. Millenials are hardly figuring the scam out...

The scam is you earn what you get. Don't earn it, don't get it. You seem to believe that somehow you're deserving of it simply by showing up.

Surprise!! It doesn't, and it never has, worked that way.

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: MonkeyFishFrog

What, you thought to start at the top?? Sorry, the world doesn't work that way. I used to do job interviews, and I lost count of the number of college age kids who thought they should be managers...or in some sort of supervisory position.

Nope. You start at the bottom just like everyone else. You work hard. Make sure you get noticed by the right folks, and then you work even harder. You earn the position.

Life don't give you ####, my friend. You earn it, and make 'em give it to you. Millenials are hardly figuring the scam out...

The scam is you earn what you get. Don't earn it, don't get it. You seem to believe that somehow you're deserving of it simply by showing up.

Surprise!! It doesn't, and it never has, worked that way.

In short, there is no participation trophy for living.

Have these people ever heard the phrases, "You reap what you sow", or "A penny saved is a penny earned"?

Lots of life lesson wisdom in just those two, and there are a lot more.

Maybe it all the free speech.

The cats in the cradle but the mans on the moon, but daddy, you tell me not be like you.

a reply to: Krakatoa

That's it in a nutshell.

Your 3 sentences distilled my post into easily digestible pieces. 🍇

originally posted by: ChaoticOrder

I'm a Millenial and I choose option c) liberty, capitalism, self reliance, not blaming everyone else for my own mistakes, not being envious of those who have more than me, not judging or hating people based on social status, not being a crybaby, etc.

I dislike using generational labels, but as someone who is in the various age ranges that are used to label someone a millennial I agree. The millennial gripe is getting a bit long in the tooth and I could see nursing home residents calling kids millennials twenty or thirty years ago.

I'd pick that option C as well.

originally posted by: MonkeyFishFrog
*Shrugs*

The Millenials and Generation Z are down to two choices

Socialism

or

Eat the rich

We're seeking the least offensive option first and if that fails at least there's still socialism

It's never really about race or culture. It's almost always about class and money. The greater the wealth inequality the more likely that people start doing more than getting together this make signs and chant cliches. Revolution is rarely ever revolutionary they should start calling them periods of rapid restructuring.

With capitalism there's an ever increasing difference between the haves and have nots. I guess if there is a restructuring then we'll all be a bunch of something or anothers.

a reply to: AutomateThis1

Capitalism only gets worse. There was the great prosperity runs in early times but let capitalism go unchecked another 15 years and you will see tens of millions starving under it.

a reply to: Joecanada11

Everything only gets worse. It's the human condition. Communism, Socialism, or whatever-else-ism isn't going to change it. Life isn't fair. There are always going to be people at what some people like to call the bottom and at the top.

We've had religions come and go, various forms of rule and governance, and what they all had in common was human nature taking over and allowing those in positions of authority to use the power they wield for self and family. The only time change happens is when people are beyond inconvenienced, kept down and can't make ends meet. Yet what happens? Revolution? Social change? It's merely out with the old and in with the new and the bottom is on top. For a while at least until a new bottom emerges.

Let's talk about what's going on presently. Let's say the Democrats get their wish and get one of their own into the presidency. Let's go even further and say that given time they hold a majority in all the branches of our government to the extent that they strike the word republic out and we go from democratic republic to just democratic, because screw the electoral college and everyone votes on Twitter in the future and those who don't tweet are the new silent majority. Hell, here in the US we're even known as The Democratic States of America now.

So now the Democrats are unobstructed in their desires to raise taxes on the rich. That's a win right? I mean what's to stop them from just donating even more money every year to get even more write-offs? What if they feel they just don't want to pay higher taxes? What's to stop them from moving business over seas?

At what point will the burden become too great on the middle class and lower class? When the working class and those who used to be slightly better off can't afford to make ends meet and put food in their kids mouths? What are we going to say? Well we gave Socialism another chance, and at least we have new a-holes in charge. We can only rebuild towards a new future. Again. Maybe in another hundred years we can try for the whole Socialism thing again when the technology is there and some wars and plagues have wiped out a decent chunk of the population./s

a reply to: AutomateThis1

What makes you think we aren't there now, and why do you think so many of us complain about this topic?

What is socialism except the enabling of ever more government theft from the middle class? The rich will always be the rich. Nothing in any system ever changes that.

a reply to: ketsuko

I'm convinced a change could be made that would, but it would require a complete reset and a new constitution and constitutional laws on taxation.