Why Do Christians Choose To Ignore The Bible ?

a reply to: EdgeofParadise

In this case the Churches who are condoning what God condemned are the enemies giving out the kisses. They are not doing their parishioners any favors.

You have made a good point. The UN World Council of Churches is exactly that which preaches unity while taking away “ the keys of knowledge”, they preach a false religion which is aligned with the goals of the New World Order. It is also based on religious humanism www.crossroad.to...

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: Seed76

When you sign your reply with "Peace" it makes me think you have hate in your heart. You can't have peace without war. All wars are based on hate. Peace is what happens between wars.

I disagree with what you are saying. The weed was created by God. The weed cannot help it is a weed. Every living creature is part of God's plan. This idea people are weeds is why Christianity is on the decline.

Again, you are wrong about Jesus dying for our sins. Jesus did not die for our sins. You cannot kill God. Since Jesus was resurrected Jesus was never really dead in the first place. No harm no foul.

The story of Jesus is not about Jesus. The story of Jesus is about each of us and our relationship to God. The story is about God and how God created each of us with imperfections. We are perfect in the garden of Eden before we are born. After we are born we eventually discover all our imperfections and then we are all expelled from Eden. And then we all eventually return back to God in spite of all our imperfections to become whole and perfect again. The path back to God is the story. Jesus is just how the story is told. If you idolizing the word "Jesus" then the story has no meaning because you are removing the importance of God from the story.

If you want to be a true Christian you need to learn how love and accept non-Christians as much as who you think are "good" Christians. I find a religion based on judgment and the worship of authority to be too much devoid of love. You can't have a Lord without slaves. Christianity in it's present form is just too sadistic, or masochistic, for me accept. I don't see myself as a slave of God. It's not that I lack reverence or see myself as an equal to God. It's just that I do not have any faith in God that is an overlord ruling his subjects with fear and desires to be worshiped by the sub-humans.

A God who governs by fear is NOT a God of love. You can continue to kneel before your imaginary God of hate. I will stick to having my faith in an all-powerful God of unconditional love. You can keep your Christian God of hate . I prefer love over hate.

I am not afraid of your judgment. You don't get to decide how God judges me. My God loves me in spite of everything you say or think. My God loves no matter how badly I screw up in my life or don't act as saintly as I would prefer. For me this is good news because I have lots of imperfections and I don't always have the best behaviors.

I don't blame my parents for my imperfections. I don't blame God. I accept full responsibility. And I just accept my imperfections are part of who I am. My faith is in my God who loves me exactly the way I am without any judgments. My faith in God is much stronger than yours because my faith is not based on fear. My God of unconditional love is stronger than your Christian God of hate.

Love

Where to start...Since you don’t appear to be genuinely Christian, yet know enough to be dangerous and seek to tell Christians how they should practice, let’s clear up a few things. People often cite “judge not lest be judged” as meaning that we should be tolerant in a humanistic sense. This is not what is meant by the passage. Only “The Lord Our Righteousness” can pass judgment . God is not a humanist judge. The Humanist Manifesto seeks to replace Absolute values with those agreed upon by the signers of the manifesto, that is their values of moral relativism. In this way they can justify behaviors which may not be in the best interests of soul liberation ( from evil and error). I have already posted on the UN World Council of Churches. This council seeks again a religious humanism and unity based on some common themes it accepts , but does not take the whole of any one religion, instead watering it down. They believe they are creating a world of peace and inclusion, but the true teachings of Christ are not transferred. I have posted a good article elsewhere on this page so I won’t repost it in this response. That being said, yes, Jesus did teach compassion and forgiveness, but he said go and sin no more. This should not be confused with tolerance for behavior not becoming of a son or daughter of God. It has been said that the Law is “written in our inward parts”. Jeremiah 31:33 biblehub.com...
We have an inner connection to this law, but our karma prevents us from seeing clearly.
You also accuse Christians of idolizing the “word” Jesus. I think it’s the concept that people idolize, the concept created by the Romans that only Jesus can have such mastery and the rest of us the proverbial miserable “sinners”, when Jesus entreated is to do the same and greater works than he. There are so many misconceptions.
Something interesting for you to peruse vaticanfiles.org...

a reply to: Boadicea

TextSo, please, enlighten me. At what point did Jesus command us to follow the Bible? And at what point did Jesus tell us to condemn homosexuals?

There was no NT scriptures when Jesus was alive. So of course He [Jesus] could not have commanded any one to read something that did not exist. As far as Paul/ Saul is concerned, He was busy trying cases in the Hall Of Hewn Stones with the seventy other judges of the Jerusalem Sanhedrin. Saul was a young man under Gamaliel who at this time was the Nasi of the Sanhedrin. Saul's conversion came about five years after Jesus died.

But that does not mean that Jesus didn't teach as the Apostles later wrote of Him. In fact Jesus taught the very same ten commands that Moses taught without the judgments of punishments. Jesus also taught the books of Enoch, Jasher, Jubliees and other Hebrew/Aramaic literature. Of course Torah was the glue of Judaism. So in that respect, if Jesus taught Torah [which He did] then it is very clear in the Torah that homosexualism and lesbianism are both an abomination to The Most High. You may believe what you choose to believe but what you have stated is an abomination to God. This abomination is taught by the Apostles including brother Jacob [James The Just] and Moses.

Sources -- Leviticus 18:20 -- 20:13 -- Romans 1:24-28 -- 1st Corinthians 6:9-10 - 1st Timothy 1:10 --

Being that you have a hatred for Saul/Paul, the letters of Romans and Timothy are bogus in your viewpoint but I think you are unaware of the fact that the letter of 1st Corinthians is a pseudepigraphal work of Achaieus and Timotheus and not Saul/Paul. So please reconsider the letter of Achaicus and Timotheus to the Corinthians as being NT evidence that "abusers of themselves with mankind" does mean homosexuality."

In light of this evidence, in some of the Hebrew literature, it shows me that regrdles of your not accepting this command from your Creator does not mean it is not His command. All it means is that you have chosen not to believe that command and there may be other teachings of the same authors that you may reject. Case as exemplified in Saul/Paul's letters.

a reply to: dfnj2015

To further dissect your post. The thing about weeds. You are telling us that we don’t need to listen to
The words of Jesus in his parable about weeds growing in the fields of grain. To understand this parable, one has to understand deeper things, such as how Lucifer and his band of angels fell from Heaven to the earth and taught mankind the arts of war and decorating the body with makeup and jewelry. It’s in the Book of Enoch if you want to read it. One would also have to understand the serpent in the garden of Eden, how the serpent got Adam and Eve to descend into relative good and evil. I have also posted on moral relativity in regards to the Humanist Manifesto, and I am thinking that religious humanism is the basis for your outlook. Forgive me if I am wrong.

a reply to: Seede

Yes, Jesus taught of and to and from "the law". To be specific, "the law" as written, understood and practiced by man, because that is what his students knew and understood.

However, Jesus' knowledge did not originate with the law of man, and Jesus' knowledge and understanding of the true law far surpassed that of those men who wrote and practiced the law. Jesus also taught us that Heaven and earth would pass away before one tittle of the law was violated. Jesus also noted that we could not even understand earthly things, much less Heavenly things.

One could say that Jesus did not so much "teach," as to "correct" man's understanding of true divine law.

I have not offered an opinion on God's opinion of homosexuality. I don't know what it is. What I do know is that it is not MY place to judge, to punish, or to seek vengeance. It is my job to feed and give comfort to the widow. It is my job to be the good Samaritan when I can. It is my job to judge not lest I be judged by the same measure. It is my job to use the thought and reason that the good Lord gave me, and to act accordingly with the free will that the good Lord gave me.

And I know without a doubt that I have known and loved many gay people who were/are "better" Christians than too many self-annointed Christians themselves. Gay or otherwise, if folks aren't hurting anyone else, I will live and let live.

And in the end, God's infinite wisdom has it all sorted out.

What I find somewhat humorous is people obsessed with the morality of homosexuality usually turn out to b

a reply to: dfnj2015

Anecdotal at best, unless you want to provide links to any scientific studies or statistics.

originally posted by: NotSoBigG
People who believe in sky fairies are equal to flat earthers in my eyes. Religions are all about the money and the power. Sick to the back teeth of them all!

People who believe that the Creator of all that which is is a mere sky fairie do not understand the inner mysteries. We were made in the image and likeness of God, but some have perverted it to be an anthropomorphic god made in the likeness of man....

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: Seed76

When you sign your reply with "Peace" it makes me think you have hate in your heart. You can't have peace without war. All wars are based on hate. Peace is what happens between wars.

I disagree with what you are saying. The weed was created by God. The weed cannot help it is a weed. Every living creature is part of God's plan. This idea people are weeds is why Christianity is on the decline.

Again, you are wrong about Jesus dying for our sins. Jesus did not die for our sins. You cannot kill God. Since Jesus was resurrected Jesus was never really dead in the first place. No harm no foul.

The story of Jesus is not about Jesus. The story of Jesus is about each of us and our relationship to God. The story is about God and how God created each of us with imperfections. We are perfect in the garden of Eden before we are born. After we are born we eventually discover all our imperfections and then we are all expelled from Eden. And then we all eventually return back to God in spite of all our imperfections to become whole and perfect again. The path back to God is the story. Jesus is just how the story is told. If you idolizing the word "Jesus" then the story has no meaning because you are removing the importance of God from the story.

If you want to be a true Christian you need to learn how love and accept non-Christians as much as who you think are "good" Christians. I find a religion based on judgment and the worship of authority to be too much devoid of love. You can't have a Lord without slaves. Christianity in it's present form is just too sadistic, or masochistic, for me accept. I don't see myself as a slave of God. It's not that I lack reverence or see myself as an equal to God. It's just that I do not have any faith in God that is an overlord ruling his subjects with fear and desires to be worshiped by the sub-humans.

A God who governs by fear is NOT a God of love. You can continue to kneel before your imaginary God of hate. I will stick to having my faith in an all-powerful God of unconditional love. You can keep your Christian God of hate . I prefer love over hate.

I am not afraid of your judgment. You don't get to decide how God judges me. My God loves me in spite of everything you say or think. My God loves no matter how badly I screw up in my life or don't act as saintly as I would prefer. For me this is good news because I have lots of imperfections and I don't always have the best behaviors.

I don't blame my parents for my imperfections. I don't blame God. I accept full responsibility. And I just accept my imperfections are part of who I am. My faith is in my God who loves me exactly the way I am without any judgments. My faith in God is much stronger than yours because my faith is not based on fear. My God of unconditional love is stronger than your Christian God of hate.

Love

Where to start...Since you don’t appear to be genuinely Christian, yet know enough to be dangerous and seek to tell Christians how they should practice, let’s clear up a few things. People often cite “judge not lest be judged” as meaning that we should be tolerant in a humanistic sense. This is not what is meant by the passage. Only “The Lord Our Righteousness” can pass judgment . God is not a humanist judge. The Humanist Manifesto seeks to replace Absolute values with those agreed upon by the signers of the manifesto, that is their values of moral relativism. In this way they can justify behaviors which may not be in the best interests of soul liberation ( from evil and error). I have already posted on the UN World Council of Churches. This council seeks again a religious humanism and unity based on some common themes it accepts , but does not take the whole of any one religion, instead watering it down. They believe they are creating a world of peace and inclusion, but the true teachings of Christ are not transferred. I have posted a good article elsewhere on this page so I won’t repost it in this response. That being said, yes, Jesus did teach compassion and forgiveness, but he said go and sin no more. This should not be confused with tolerance for behavior not becoming of a son or daughter of God. It has been said that the Law is “written in our inward parts”. Jeremiah 31:33 biblehub.com...
We have an inner connection to this law, but our karma prevents us from seeing clearly.
You also accuse Christians of idolizing the “word” Jesus. I think it’s the concept that people idolize, the concept created by the Romans that only Jesus can have such mastery and the rest of us the proverbial miserable “sinners”, when Jesus entreated is to do the same and greater works than he. There are so many misconceptions.
Something interesting for you to peruse vaticanfiles.org...

You consider them dangerous for having an opinion about your caveman religion? But yet your opinion on it means more....why?? How does that work out? Only asking because from what I undersrand, none of you holy christains on this site(let alone anywhere lol) can even prove that your religion is right or true, so in a sense your just all guessing? Am I wrong?



On topic as someone from the community I think I can safely say the majority of us dont give a damn what you approve of. You can have your religion of hate and pray to your tyrant. No one cares that you think we're abominations as long as you stay in your lane and leave us and our lives the hell alone, we're all good here. It's when the self righteous start trying to pass you b.s laws on how people should live just like them, is where issues arise.


Also because i've seen someone make the ridiculous comparison, no one in the lgbtq community is trying to push for pedophillia...(whats the christian way of saying your full of sh&t?)
Last I checked the biggest child molestors on this planet were apparently men of god.... wanna tally them up for us oh holy ones?


Probably looks something like

Confirmed Christain pedos:163738383


Lgbt community: ?


Your free to fill that number above, as i'm sure there are some seeing as i'm not brainwashed in my own experience to believe otherwise, however we all know who holds the crown for being a pedo? Don't we jesus freaks?

I find it very hard to trust Christians that totally ignore Jesus and pick the Holy word apart to fit their human agenda of hating other nationalities, religions, or the poor.

You know who you are....

Christianity has been perverted into a religion of hate...

You don't seem to understand what religion is. To some, it's a strict interpretation (that's the best you can get) of a religious text. (Which is written by man, and therefore flawed) to many, it's a means of influence and power, to others it is a community.

It's really not hard to understand that there are people who might agree with parts of a religious text and not the whole body. They believe the text still can be improved.

Why should only your interpretation of the Bible be the only one practiced? Who does have it right? Mormons? Catholics? Protestants? Cause they definitely don't agree on everything... the same could be said of all major religions.

the premise of your question is flawed. It implies there is a singular correct way to practice the Bible, and history will show that to be laughably not the case.

My counter question, why do you feel this way?
a reply to: Blue_Jay33

Huh, gonna go out on a limb and say you are false on this. People not labels bring hate. It's a flaw of humanity. Not religion, not race, gender or political affiliation. You just prove your bigotry while attempting to signal virtue. The worst kind of comment.

a reply to: olaru12

Im sure you have some source to cite for those numbers you've generated? Oh wait, just an emotional fit from you based on your own delusions...

You are fighting the wrong fight. You gave up on truth so you could just take the easy route and label groups as "bad" or "good". Plenty of folks could cite examples of the LGBT community on the wrong end of the spectrum on this issue, and Christianity (and Islam and whatever else).

Pathetic!



a reply to: Jg513

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: Blue_Jay33
Because as a whole, the bible is ambiguous.

and a fairy-tale.

a reply to: Rob808

My counter question, why do you feel this way?

I have two scripture that can give the best answer to that.

John 4:24

God is Spirit, and those who worship God must be led by the Spirit to worship him according to the truth.

&

Romans 10:2

For I testify about them that they have a certain enthusiasm for God, but not in accordance with [correct and vital] knowledge [about Him and His purposes].

originally posted by: Rob808
Im sure you have some source to cite for those numbers you've generated? Oh wait, just an emotional fit from you based on your own delusions...

You are fighting the wrong fight. You gave up on truth so you could just take the easy route and label groups as "bad" or "good". Plenty of folks could cite examples of the LGBT community on the wrong end of the spectrum on this issue, and Christianity (and Islam and whatever else).

Pathetic!



a reply to: Jg513

Yea, yea, yea..... whatever you say moses.
And if you actually read the whole comment and understood it you'd realize I never claimed there isn't bad examples in *insert your community here*. I actually pointed out very clearly that i'm sure there are bad people in my very own community because im not an brainwashed idiot... i'm assuming you missed that part and its not because your just mad that statement had tons of truth in it🤭

so i'll say it again just to get on your nerves a little but more......Theres alot more christain cis gendered straight people who are child molestors than there are from the lgbt community. Sorry i'm not act like the church hasn't been synonymous with child mosestation for decades now just so you can sleep better at night while holding on to your crappy beliefs.

And no i'm not fighting the wrong fight. When people on this board are comparing being accepting of my community to being accepting of pedophillia then i'm gonna call you out on your b.s and hit back. End of story. You dont like it because I called out the fact that religious organizations (mainly christian sects.) have molested thousands upon thousands of children, some of them getting away scott free cause ya know, they jebus peeples. yet my community can be summed up to abominations and are somehow the immoral ones. Nah. You have a right to this stupid opinion and anyother ridiculous opinion you may have, but dont get it confused.... YOU don't have a right from people calling out on the stupidity of it.

P.S i don't care what you find pathetic. Your life, the way you live it and the opinions you've gather from it mean less to me than garbage.

Wanna try again? Lol

originally posted by: Rob808


It's really not hard to understand that there are people who might agree with parts of a religious text and not the whole body. They believe the text still can be improved.

You can't simultaneously believe that a text has been dictated by a perfect, all knowing, and all powerful being AND believe it can be improved.

It's one or the other.

Is you read it merely as a work of philosophy, an attempt to describe a more perfect world, created by people with good intentions but who were ultimately only human, then of course it can still be improved.

But most religious people believe it was literally dictated by an all powerful deity.

Why should only your interpretation of the Bible be the only one practiced? Who does have it right? Mormons? Catholics? Protestants? Cause they definitely don't agree on everything... the same could be said of all major religions.

the premise of your question is flawed. It implies there is a singular correct way to practice the Bible, and history will show that to be laughably not the case.

My counter question, why do you feel this way?
a reply to: Blue_Jay33

I personally feel like the Bible is a work of art, expressed in words.

Just like how different people see different things when they look at the Mona Lisa, so also everyone takes away something different from the Bible verses.

The book massively contradicts itself, all over the place. No robot or AI would ever be able to read it and make enough sense of it to devise a course of action that satisfies its requirements.

a reply to: Jg513

I don’t need your approval, nor do I want it. I can only surmise that it bothers you I call humanism and the UN exactly what it is... a tool
Sorry you don’t like my opinion. Good day to you.

a reply to: Jg513

ons of truth in it🤭 so i'll say it again just to get on your nerves a little but more......Theres alot more christain cis gendered straight people who are child molestors than there are from the lgbt community. Sorry i'm not act like the church hasn't been synonymous with child mosestation for decades now just so you can sleep better at night while holding on to your crappy beliefs.

This tells me a lot about you. I can’t wait to see the statistics you will provide for your claim(opinion). One thing I can see is you have animosity towards Christians.

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: Seed76

Romans 12:2

And stop being molded by this system of things, but be transformed by making your mind over, so that you may prove to yourselves the good and acceptable and perfect will of God.

I know you have a hard time believing this, but the Bible describes Satan as the ruler of this world, the god of this system of things. Of all the tools that are available to him to manipulate the thinking, behavioural patterns and attitudes of humanity, Hollywood is one of the main, most effective tools to mold your mind. Hollywood-writers therefore, only write what he wants them to write (themselves being products of this system of things and guided by their need to tickle the ears of their audience, to cater to the market). So by taking Satan's arguments and subtle remarks to influence people's thinking that he puts into his blockbusters a bit too seriously, you are allowing what the Bible refers to as this system of things to control and influence your thinking, to mold your mind so to speak. This is detrimental to your spiritual health.

Satan is also very good at pushing buttons, like triggering thoughts and mental pathways that have been prepared through other channels than Hollywood (for example, he could use a forum like this to condition you with the idea that the God of the Bible is egoistic, then he creates a character in the comic and movie "Guardians of the Galaxy" named "Ego", to trigger that thought in the audience, then the audience tries to see parallels between the God of the Bible and the character named "Ego"; it's the same trick with Loki in that scene you used, you're supposed to be reminded of the God of the Bible, and in particular the slander about Him*; you're falling right into Satan's trap, he's pushing your buttons).

Of course, one has to keep in mind that Hollywood writers are usually not doing this on purpose, their minds are likewise molded by this system of things, and thus Satan, the god of this system of things. They have no idea who they are serving (whose slaves they truly are), much like you I suspect. *: it's actually a bit more complicated than the way I just described it, involving the topic of rebellion against God being depicted as something heroic and noble, whereas obedience to God is depicted as weak, servile, and the opposite of heroic, noble and wise (doing the Isaiah 5:20,21 thingy, presenting good as bad and bad as good; that is, I'm just talking about the Loki scene now; of course, the God of the Bible is nothing like the way Loki is depicted in that scene, but that doesn't matter to those who already want to be rebellious and disobedient to the God of the Bible, all they need, is to hear a good excuse to do so, which you have adequately put in words in the comment where you used that scene. Which is exactly the intended effect of this scene, you've fallen for it hook, line and sinker).

Just felt like you had a right to know, it can be a bit complicated to explain in just a few words and it goes much deeper than the things I just tried to describe (I'm not entirely happy with the way I tried to explain it there, but I'm hoping there are sufficient clues in it to see the relation to the the set of Bible quotations I used in your thread, especially those concerning humanity being part of a "rebellious house"; you may want to have another peek at those in comparison).

This is also why in almost every Sci-Fi TV-show, there will be subtle remarks that promote evolutionary philosophies. Lately, the notion that humans can gain superhero abilities, especially by means of mutations (see for example X-men or Heroes), is quite popular in the media (what counts for Hollywood also counts for media that isn't necessarily produced in Hollywood). Of course, this is not a new idea, cause this is what the Nazis taught as well along with Darwinism, Social Darwinism and eugenics (genetic breeding to create a superrace, killing off the so-called "lesser" races of humanity and only breeding Aryans with Aryans, and maintaining the purity of this race by not allowing what is perceived as genetic pollution of their race, "racial contamination", see video). They are all lies though, cause mutations do not have that 'improving' effect in the long run (as taught by evolutionary philosophies that claim that living organisms will improve their survivability in an environment by means of mutations in the long run; details regarding the real effect of mutations acted upon by so-called "natural selection" in the long run can be found here and here). And affinity for certain fields of study such as mathematics or languages, or affinity for certain sports, is not determined by genetics, but by training, education and repetition (a common misconception often heard by the sports media when talking about the children of famous athletes, Nazi ideas concerning eugenics are still going strong like that; if these children are good at the same sport as their parents or one of their parents, it's because of their parents' activities with them, not genetics; and of course, having a famous parent does definitely open doors in that particular sport, allowing for further development of skill for the child).

That's also why some people are conditioned with the notion that they are more evolved than others, especially more evolved than those who do not accept the promotion of evolutionary philosophies as a legitimate field of scientific study.

Caveat regarding the video above: Hitler did not reject his "childhood Catholicism" as claimed in that video. Important Catholic figures, including cardinals and the pope, were all instrumental in Hitler's rise to dominance in Germany, as well as that of the Nazis. But that's another long story.

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

I'm not sure what you are asking?
Are Christians meant to be judging and condemning ?
What would you suggest is the correct course of action for a Christian to take towards someone who is exercising the freewill gifted them?
Is humanity able to dispense forgiveness and grace towards all sinners? Is it your job to do that or Gods?