Nasa lies about Mars atmosphere.Helicopter to fly in Mars" 0.6Percent of earths atmosphere"

a reply to: EartOccupant

And my point is that you can't have a huge, successful disinformation campaign when multiple countries are involved. What's the point of a huge disinformation campaign against the average person?

As soon as a country gets a probe to wherever we're talking about it's blown wide open. We aren't talking about putting people there, and wrong l won't be for awhile. We won't be mining in space for awhile either. So you're talking about a huge campaign that is flimsy as paper, for very little return.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Fair enough.

And if put on a scale, i guess you got some weight.

Also, i still think that if a country succeeds and discover something else as the main stream knowledge, they too have an interest in keeping up appearance. For one reason as you said earlier, you can not claim an entire planet.
You can however discourage them ( or shoot them out of the sky)

Hey, i know i'm on a limb here... but we are talking about unprecedented opportunities here. And as a person who knows his history... i know that the odds of protecting interests outweigh msm knowledge. Of course insiders, agencies in a lot of countries know more. But to know is not to make.

But it all starts with implanting a basic thought in an individual before reaching potential.

originally posted by: EartOccupant
a reply to: charlyv

Without doubting that nice little helicopter's performance.

Do you really think there is no strategical, commercial , military lying, truth bending, agenda going on in space exploration data ?

There is not an organization on this planet that does not have some kind of secretive , clandestine or deceptive attribute.

However, blaming NASA , who's incredible technology provides the majority of this data, and what we have gained from it, is not only disrespectful to science, but to the dedicated people who have risked their lives and also died trying to obtain it.

Also, being a professional engineer by trade, I love science. I understand it from that perspective and see no reason why NASA would need to lie about what they do. The only disclaimer would be government filters that perhaps cover up discoveries that expose E.T. related evidence that they do not want the public to see, for who-knows-what reasons.

a reply to: EartOccupant

Here is list of Mars probes dating back to 1960

en.wikipedia.org...

As Zaphod said is still difficult to get to Mars and tougher to land there, but technology is improving and within a few years many private launch companies will offer ability to launch small probes to MARS

Hell Elon Musk shot an entire sports car out to Mars for first test of FALCON HEAVY ………...

a reply to: SpaceBoyOnEarth

Believe what you will. Just like video proof, is only proof that videos exist, and proof from what you read online of somebody saying they saw some people walking on Mars in less bulky suites. Is just proof that people wrote on a website that they saw some people walk on Mars in less bulky suits.

Nobody is going to Mars or space. As you can see brah! How many do you see going there now?

Besides brah! Don't you know space was invented by whitey, to keep the black man down, and tax people, space is just a myth and a product of colonialism, to bring witeyness to the world.

a reply to: SpaceBoyOnEarth
OK! But what does you having a dream or remoteviewing section have to do with anything going on Mars today? Even if your daydream was true.

How is that in any way shape or form relevant to you or anybody today?

And also, since your wishing for time machine. Why not just wish for a time traveling unicorn with magical powers to go back in time. Both would be equally as viable, and the magic unicorn, well at least you will be traveling back in time in style.

And also, time may also just be something that only exists in peoples heads as a way to keep track and measure things. That to may not be a thing in itself, much less your vision or Mars or what you read on some site.

a reply to: SpaceBoyOnEarth

The scientific explanation of Mars has always been a debated and growing body of knowledge.

Why would the scientific community of Earth settle on a lie, and how would ambitious scientists have the cohesion to maintain the lie.

An Observational History of Mars

by Dave Snyder
Printed in Reflections: April and May 2001
(updated January 2002).

umich.edu...


1909: The available observations did not always support Lowell’s ideas. There was growing doubt about the existence of the canals themselves, not to mention the rest of Lowell’s ideas. When he encountered skepticism, Lowell became dogmatic and found new audiences for his ideas by giving public lectures, writing books and writing articles in popular magazines. Lowell became an outcast in the scientific community. However he had support from a few scientists. In particular, Flammarion was always sympathetic to Lowell and his ideas. He has become well known and respected by the general public.
Lowell’s activities discouraged many scientists, particularly in the United States, from studying Mars as it no longer seemed a “serious” subject worthy of scientific pursuit. However in Lowell’s defense, some have argued that he deserves credit for developing modern planetology, a word Lowell invented. He originated the notion that the Martian climate has changed over time, a notion we now believe to be correct. He insisted that any theory of planetary evolution needed to account for changes in all the planets not just the planet a scientist happened to be studying. And he was the first to suggest that Mars is the best location to test theories of climate change. This might help scientists studying changing in the Earth’s climate. In some respects Lowell was almost a hundred years ahead of his time. On the other hand, his ideas on possible Martian biology seem antiquated to the modern observer.
1912: Svante Arrhenius has an alternate suggestion for the Martian surface variation: Mars might be covered with salts, during the winter the salts have a light color. When the polar caps melt in summer, the salts absorb water and develop a darker color.
1938: On the day before Halloween, Orson Wells produces a radio production of the fictional story “War of the Worlds.” This is a story of Martians invading the earth. The production was so convincing, that many people believe there has been a real invasion by Martians. A panic resulted.
1947: The Association of Lunar and Planetary Observers (ALPO) is formed. ALPO along with the BAA (which was founded in 1890) and other organizations coordinate several Mars observation programs. In such programs, amateur and/or professional astronomers from around the world pool resources. Over the next several years, these programs provide several extended periods of almost continuous observations (because you can observe Mars only at night, it is impossible for a single observer at a single location to do this - but a group of observers can).
1952: Gerard Kuiper makes the first attempt to determine the composition of the Martian atmosphere using modern equipment. He discovered spectral lines that indicated carbon dioxide. For several decades, researchers had attempted to measure the atmospheric pressure of Mars. Estimates varied over a wide range, from less than 24 millibars to well over 90 millibars (by comparison the earth’s atmospheric pressure is about 1000 millibars). However scientists did not think there could be 24, let alone 90 millibars of carbon dioxide. Therefore they reasoned the remainder of the atmosphere was made up of something else. This was assumed to be nitrogen and argon (since these were the only non-reactive gases likely to be present on Mars that wouldn’t have been detected by the analysis methods used at the time).

a reply to: neutronflux

Theres no such thing as a scientific community.

There are people who think they know the truth. They are (at least nowdays) pushed around by those who know the truth.
Those who know the truth (or atleast the latest version of it), have enough power to keep the situation so.

For example, if you are a smart scientist, you can and they will let you do your job.

But if you get too close to the truth, whatever it is, you are either silenced or hired by one step above where you now are and you wont be speaking publicly anymore.

Currently the "objectivity of scientific community" in the west, is just on the same level as it was during the worst periods in soviet union, if you asked people are there freedoms in Ussr.

If you read rand corporation papers which is a large think tank, there were plans to nuke soviet union, even if they nuke America back. But if 30 million americans would have survived, the cost was thought to be worth it.

So this is the mindset of the people you are dealing with, so yes, they will shut up some scientist.

Thank my martian gods im not a scientist, so i can reveal without being afraid, truth behind cydonia mars face and the pyramid

I made a thread here, you can read it there:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I believe last night I found out the truth or part of it, behind mars face and the big pyramid.

Now lets move back to mars. Im sure there are some big hallways filled with stone or clay books which have more info on our origins and our life on earth. I at least, want to study them. I wanna feel the tablets in my hand, i know they exist. Before everything got destroyed, they wrote in stone their tales so they would last long. I think we must go to that pyramid. Inside.

The City



That head repesents the rulers. There might have been other areas on Mars ruled by someone elseand this is only for this city.

The stone head was covered in a top layer of something. It has fallen off so it looks broken and uneven (you can see on the right side it has broken off).

This is a mystery everyone wants to know the truth about. I mean, our origins.

originally posted by: SpaceBoyOnEarth
a reply to: neutronflux

Theres no such thing as a scientific community.

There are people who think they know the truth. They are (at least nowdays) pushed around by those who know the truth.
Those who know the truth (or atleast the latest version of it), have enough power to keep the situation so.

For example, if you are a smart scientist, you can and they will let you do your job.

But if you get too close to the truth, whatever it is, you are either silenced or hired by one step above where you now are and you wont be speaking publicly anymore.

Currently the "objectivity of scientific community" in the west, is just on the same level as it was during the worst periods in soviet union, if you asked people are there freedoms in Ussr.

If you read rand corporation papers which is a large think tank, there were plans to nuke soviet union, even if they nuke America back. But if 30 million americans would have survived, the cost was thought to be worth it.

So this is the mindset of the people you are dealing with, so yes, they will shut up some scientist.

Thank my martian gods im not a scientist, so i can reveal without being afraid, truth behind cydonia mars face and the pyramid

I made a thread here, you can read it there:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I believe last night I found out the truth or part of it, behind mars face and the big pyramid.


Oh btw, i also saw where life came to this planet. Mystery solved.

Now lets move back to mars. Im sure there are some big hallways filled with stone or clay books which have more info on our origins and our life on earth.

Oh dear.
So science is wrong and you with your woeful record of failing to grasp even the most basic principles of math or science know better.
Bloody hell.
Carry on with your delusions.
I will just watch on lurking in your threads and having a good old laugh at you.
I just wont take you seriously enough to respond to your particular brand of woo woo.
There are posters on here that do woo woo much better than you so i will leave you to it as i just cant take you seriously.

a reply to: oldcarpy

Reason why (probably most) people dont believe these fairytales is because they lack the genetic history of being one of those whos ancestor came from Mars when its rulers died and it needed to be abandoned. Earth already had humans when "martians" came, they just werent the genetically modified ones from Mars.

You either have enough ancestral dna to know this is true, or you dont. But im sureeone day spaceships advanced enough (made by us) might land in Cydonia with an archeological team and we find out the truth.

If they can build that pyramid, im pretty sure they can build underground too. The secrets there must be huge.

a reply to: SpaceBoyOnEarth

You

Theres no such thing as a scientific community.

Really?
American Astronomical Society
aas.org...

Royal Astronomical Society
BRITISH SCIENCE SOCIETY
www.britannica.com...

The Astronomical Society of Edinburgh
www.astronomyedinburgh.org...

Astronomical Society of India
www.astron-soc.in...

Russian Astronomical Society
en.m.wikipedia.org...

Royal Aeronautical Society
www.aerosociety.com...

International Society for the Study of Xenobiotics
www.issx.org...

a reply to: SpaceBoyOnEarth

More contradicts by you

Martians were trying to reach immortality. And they blew the planet. Trying to open a portal and entering it but instead huge amounts of energy entered our world and mars went boom.

But there is structures on Mars?

a reply to: SpaceBoyOnEarth

Did you ever answer what protects the Martian atmosphere from impingement from solar winds to keep the Martian atmosphere from depleting?

a reply to: neutronflux

Im getting to all of those.

Yea ofcourse scientific communities exist. I meant a believable scientific consensus of what happened to mars does not exist. And if they claim it exists, it doesnt, not untill you have boot on the ground at mars to check the place up.


Ofcourse there are structures on Mars. After hiroshima blew up, therr were still remnants left.

The scar on Mars is result of the "boo boo" (accident). Altough, i must admit, grand canyon looks similar and i believe it was naturally made. It (Mars scar canyon) could have been partially a natural catastrophe combined what they (them martians) were doing.

Mars atmosphere is there in its current form because it has reached a "saturation point". Meaning: damage that sun does to it, cant harm further. It stays there.

There is also geothermal heat still on Mars which might be causing small evaporations of, well, gases. Theres the news of a lake on te pole under co2 ice.

I would go thetr to find plants and small under 1mm sized animals in the water. Could have even fish!
So there might be leakage in the atmosphetr , but there is small replenishment too.

a reply to: SpaceBoyOnEarth

You

Mars atmosphere is there in its current form because it has reached a "saturation point". Meaning: damage that sun does to it, cant harm further. It stays there

The question is, is there any protection that keeps the solar winds from impinging on the Martian atmosphere to keep it from being depleted.

originally posted by: galadofwarthethird
And also, time may also just be something that only exists in peoples heads as a way to keep track and measure things. That to may not be a thing in itself, much less your vision or Mars or what you read on some site.

That's actually true. Time is not a real thing, it is an effect of gravity on energy/matter that moves through space-time distorting it as the universe expands. We only perceive and experience time the way we do because of gravity. If you had a set of twins and one was put on a ship orbiting the earth for 10 years while the other as on earth, when they both met back up, they would be different ages.

a reply to: Barcs

Speaking of twins, this is another face found on Mars

m.youtube.com... 24:30

a reply to: SpaceBoyOnEarth

Mars lies close to, the asteroid belt and as a result has endured some massive impacts by asteroids

The entire southern half of Mars id result of large asteroid smashing into the planet

www.seeker.com...

They then ran simulations with asteroids of various sizes to determine what size would best fit the Martian geology. The answer was a huge asteroid about 745 miles across (1,200 kilometers) — nearly the length of the state of California. The simulations suggest this behemoth slammed into Mars about 4.43 billion years ago, just 700 million years after the solar system was formed. Several smaller impacts occurred in the eons that followed.

Also the axial tilt of the planet has experienced some wild tilts caused by impacts

Current tilt is just over 25 deg. scientists believe it was tilted at 60 deg in past which would have effected the
atmosphere as the seasons changed

a reply to: Barcs
Time actually only exists to an observer. Its not real at all beyond that point.

Gravity is gravity, and time is just something we attribute to it in relations to yourself.

And if you go lower then the human animal, like ducks per say. Time is just the weaving of the seasons.

So there is no going back in time, as its not a concrete thing but in peoples heads, and the future is just a projections as the mind calculates its daily life. Not that different then a duck thinking were its watering pond is going to be in the next 20 minutes.

But offcourse it has no concept of minutes.

What you just said. It just shows how far all of your sciences are that they still believe that time and space are one thing in itself. Space is one thing, time is merely an observation by meat creatures have which are relegated to a certain space, and a certain time in relations to other certain things in another space and time.

And no the twins would not be different ages. That's just silly. If they orbited the earth for 10 years. You know what they would be? They would be paraplegics, as the human body is not designed or made for orbit or space.

a reply to: firerescue

The entire southern half of Mars id result of large asteroid smashing into the planet

And it seems that the Moon is the result of a planet about the size of Mars smashing into Earth. The Solar System was a very unfriendly place when it was very young.

Also the axial tilt of the planet has experienced some wild tilts caused by impacts

Not so much. It probably has more to do with the fact that Mars lacks a large moon to help stabilize it against the gravitational influences of other planets.
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