I will NEVER fly on a 737 MAX! EVER!

Let me repeat that...I will NEVER fly on a 737 MAX...EVER!

Boeing has broken my trust. Boeing has been a shameful money-pig. NEVER!

Bad plane. Uncomfortable. Crews hate it. NEVER!

Yes, I've flown on one. It was horrible, down right maddening. (and the blue cabin lights didn't make me any calmer, in my cramped an terribly uncomfortable space)

The 737 MAX isn't about YOU, it's about THEM...ALL them! It's not about "cool new plane", it's about "WAY more profit"

The 737 MAX is a bad airplane, a product of cheaper, cheaper, cheaper...and it SUCKS!

Boycott the 737 MAX. I plan to!

When I book a flight (and I book a lot), I will specifically say I'm not willing to take a MAX. If that's all available, I will fly another airline, or a different route. If they fill the skies with MAX's...I simply won't fly anymore! (take that, company!)

I will NEVER fly on the 737-MAX.

They LIED, Boeing LIED...they knew it. They knew the aircraft was flawed...and they LIED!

Contempt beyond description.

Wanna see it? Read below.....

They KNEW!!

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Well dang!
I was about to make a joke here until I read the article.

Yeah, I'll not be flying the 'friendly skies' with them either.

a reply to: silo13

I flew one on American out of DEN, and we had a serious trim/altitude issue at about 9,000 (5,000 AGL). This was after Lion Air, but before the 2nd incident. I just chalked it up to ATC and pilots, but it wasn't pretty.

Boeing lied about this, and they lied from bottom to top!

The Las Vegas killer is the villain of the century, but he only killed 58 people. Boeing killed hundreds! AND, they knew about the problems in advance!!!

INEXCUSABLE! CRIMINAL!!

Note - I have said this same thing from the very beginning!

Profits, both to the airlines, and Boeing, meant more than human lives...when they KNEW they had a serious problem with the automated flight control systems!!

SERIOUS problems!!

Can you even believe that?????

MODS...pardon me, but there should be a whole sub-forum on the 737-MAX.

This is one of the biggest travesties of our lives (and I'm 56 years old)!! Seriously!

This isn't going away soon. This airplane is going to be FORCED on us, the public. Why? Because it earns more profits for THEM. Mark my words. It will. And, this won't be the last time we've heard of it.

Oh sure, they'll rename it, because the "MAX" has too bad of a connotation now. So, they'll name it something like the "737 DreamMachine" or something. Something to make it harmless.

But, underneath that name is an aircraft which started out as the 'Kill Machine'.

What aircraft do YOU want to fly on??

The Ford Pinto, AKA the Molotov Hatchback.

The Ford Explorer...Rolling (over), rolling (over), rolling (over, again!).

The Firestone 500 steel belted (unraveling) radial.

And now, the Boeing (Bang! Splat!) 737 MAX.

Do we see a corporate pattern here, yet?

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

What will you fly on.
I always enjoyed the MD80 and 727. Also the 747. The 737s have always felt cramped.
I've been on several Airbuses as well.
SnF

Welcome to capitalism where deadlines make people become murderers

Same here, brother.

My son had a leg of his flight early this year on one. Freaked me out. I didn't know about the plane when I got him the ticket. Never again.

But...it's the pilots' faults, right? Wasn't that the consensus from the experts, the last I checked the last thead on it? The pilots didn't know how to shut off the auto-pilot and do a manual trim with that wheel thing. Not the plane's fault.

Well, that's all pretty... inflammatory.

I don't think the exchange is as bad as people are making it.

This whole episode is definitely a # up, and they own it. But it's also not what it's been made into either.

You can check my posting history and tell I am no fan of Boeing. But this basically being turned into click bait and doomporn because that's how the media works. It sells fear.

For being such a corrupt company, the people should boycott all their Boeing flights. Just for a year so it teaches them a lesson. People who want to fly in them won't be so crowded so it is a win win scenario for the customers.

I hear ya, but at the same time the
2:20 mark of this vid may provide some perspective.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Tragic and a travesty for sure, but no where close t9 one of the biggest in our lives. Countless bad medicine has been forced on us, resulting with an astronmical death toll. We have been sold vehicles with deadly flaws many times. Some of us paid and continue to pay for tap water that is poisonous.

There are many more examples of us knowingly being sold deadly products because profits are more important than human lives for many businessmen. It is a dark side to human nature.

a reply to: Violater1

Aside from seat pitch (which isn't the airplane's fault) I don't have an axe to grind with any other airliner, even in the Boeing fleet. 737-NG, 747, 757, 767, 777 (I've not flown on a 787 yet) are all fine. Airbus 318, 319, 320 and 321, all fine.

It's the 737 MAX which is in the spotlight of my ire here. Oh, I'm sure they will get the airplane fixed at some point, and it will be perfectly safe. However, that's not the point; the point is, the airlines, Boeing and the FAA have broken my trust completely with this airplane. The point is they tried to get away with pulling a fast one, and then, even worse, they tried to defend it. "They" being not just Boeing, but the airlines too, AND the FAA. None of them stood up and said "STOP!" None of them! And the airplane continued to fly for 5 whole months.

Then, (finally) China had to step up and say 'stop'. China was followed by Indonesia and Mongolia (Mongolia of all places). BUT, even though this was happening, the FAA said the plane was still certified to fly.

The next day, Singapore, South Korea, Turkey and Europe (EASA) along with Canada, Australia and Malaysia grounded the MAX. BUT, Still nothing from the FAA or Boeing or any airline. Just silence.

The following day it took Trump issuing a directive to the FAA to ground the MAX to get them to finally act. I'm firmly convinced if Trump wouldn't have directed the FAA to ground the MAX, it would still be flying!

THAT is why I'm so pissed! I'm pissed because MONGOLIA (of all places) seems to have more common sense than Boeing, the FAA and the airlines! That should be pretty insulting to just about everyone on planet Earth!!!

And lastly, there's a personal element to this. I can remember a time when the 737 was my absolute most favorite aircraft, a time when there was only about one US airline flying them in any numbers (the old Frontier) (UA flew a few too). I watched the 737 grow from the humble old 737-200 first delivered way back in 1968 to what it is today. I always felt a relief when I showed up at the gate and saw the equipment was a 737. You knew you were going to get there. ...until the now. And now, that feeling of relief at seeing the humble old 737 sitting there waiting to take me to my destination has been forever shattered. Who knows what cooked-up story is being pandered to conceal some major issue. The trust is gone.

That's why.

a reply to: jrod

I don't disagree, but I have to pick something, something I can relate to, something which directly affects me and those around me.

Being cramped packed like sardines and uncomfortable is the airline companies fault not Boeing.

What Boeing did about the Max has nothing to do with passenger comfort, it is about putting out an unsafe product and intentionally hiding dangerous flaws questioning its airworthiness.

originally posted by: 38181
What Boeing did about the Max has nothing to do with passenger comfort, it is about putting out an unsafe product and intentionally hiding dangerous flaws questioning its airworthiness.

Indeed, that does seem to be the case. Obviously there will be years of legal action, but there does seem to be complicity with the FAA, which is a real worry.

The US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) did not adequately review the new automated safety system in Boeing's 737 Max, an international panel has found.

BBC report
Alternative source

a reply to: 38181

Last time I checked, crashes are pretty uncomfortable!

Additionally, you don't think the airlines and Boeing collaborate on aircraft requirements??? They most certainly do!

Oh, and have you ever been inside the lavatory of a MAX? Could you shut the door?

But yes, seat pitch is all on the airlines; I agree. However, Boeing designed the plane for 'Maximum' capacity, meaning 'minimum' seat pitch. It's the old adage... '10 pounds of you know what into a 5 pound bag'.

a reply to: paraphi

And then there's the simulator issue, the one where airlines were led to believe that NG simulators could be modified for MAX simulation to suffice for training (but they don't have MCAS, so they really can't).

And this issue is really ironic too, because Ethiopian was one of only two airlines in the World (the other was Air Canada) to have actual MAX simulators. So they had a MAX simulator, and still crashed. So, obviously the simulator does not replicate the issue very well. Was this intentional?

Even worse, the MAX simulators were not available to anyone else, even if they wanted to pay for one. They're only just now coming available, fully a year AFTER the incidents and 2.5 years AFTER going into service.

What's wrong with this picture????

See the trend here? Practically everything about the MAX was geared towards the notion it was not significantly different than the 737-NG aircraft, and therefore did not require a different aircraft type rating (saving Boeing and the airlines tons of money). Pilots were not required to certify in a new aircraft type, saving airlines tons of money for training. And who marketed the airplane this way?

This whole thing boils down to money being more important than human lives. Greed and graft. Greed on Boeing's and the airline's parts, and graft on the FAA's part. And not a care for you, the helpless passenger.