Trump outstripping Obama on pace of executive orders

Associated Press

Back in 2012, Trump had tweeted: “Why Is @BarackObama constantly issuing executive orders that are major power grabs of authority?”

That criticism continued once he entered the presidential race.

“The country wasn’t based on executive orders,” Trump said at a South Carolina campaign stop in February 2016. “Right now, Obama goes around signing executive orders. He can’t even get along with the Democrats, and he goes around signing all these executive orders. It’s a basic disaster. You can’t do it.”

Trump has so far issued a 130 executive orders, outpacing Obama's 108 in the same time period. I would post the breakdown, year by year, but this infographic does the job really well, so I'll post that instead.



Did any posters here have an issue with Obama and his pace of executive orders?

originally posted by: Oraculi


Did any posters here have an issue with Obama and his pace of executive orders?

did you? If not, why do you have an issue with Trump doing it?

I would guess that not being president, makes you not fully know what the job entails, but once you are president, you get a better understanding of what you can and cannot do. But that's using the big "L", not something you seem to possess.

a reply to: Oraculi
dont really care how many I care about what they are for.

a reply to: Oraculi

Weren't most of Obama's executive orders protecting illegal invaders and other bad policies? I dont thinking matters how many they signed but the content of the actual orders.

originally posted by: Oraculi

Associated Press

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I dont recall any having any issues with the pace. Maybe with specific orders.

Feel free to actually do some research and let us know....this is your thread so....did any have an issue with how many were issued?

it's not the fequency Kenneth, it's the subject matter.

(did anyone get that?)

the amount of EO's doesn't mean a whole lot, but what they are about does, it may take an EO to get rid of an EO, right?

so of course, as President Trump dismantles Obama's "legacy" he may have to write a few EO's to eliminate the EO's of the previous administration.

that is my guess.

a reply to: network dude

I think he's mainly pointing out trump's hypocrisy. It's not really all suprising. Trump says silly things sometimes because he doesn't think it through. Like how he said the Kurds didn't help in Normandy.

a reply to: Oraculi
Can we get a comparison list of what each executive order signed achieved? Some of these are just issues of condemnation or to honor something someone or other.

So lets get an accounting of what they are used for. Im pretty sure Obama issued an EO regarding transgender bathrooms or something.

a reply to: blueman12
yea I actually responded to him on twitter, which I doubt his team read, with that Normandy comment to remind him that the Turks fought against the allied powers of WW1.

originally posted by: PhilbertDezineck
a reply to: Oraculi
dont really care how many I care about what they are for.

Exactly.

Executive orders are a way to cut through the red tape, bureaucracy, and pointless congressional debate, in the interests of expediency, to implement executive policies.

I didn't care much for Obama's policies, in general, but he was within his purview with most of his EOs.

The problem was, by his own admission, he implemented things that were outside his authority. I beleive there were cases where the SCOTUS got involved, and slapped him down.

originally posted by: blueman12
a reply to: network dude

I think he's mainly pointing out trump's hypocrisy. It's not really all suprising. Trump says silly things sometimes because he doesn't think it through. Like how he said the Kurds didn't help in Normandy.

I get that. Trump says dumb things all the time. What tickles me is when folks like the OP act as if this is the first time it's ever happened.

But I agree with the above poster. OP, why don't you do some checking into all of us and see who complained about Obama's EO's. Or is that not what you wanted to know?

It's not the "Quantity", it's the value added impact of each one that "Counts" 😎 🐇

zi Liztz ....... pick the best and worst from each and compare the "Impacts"


List of executive actions by Donald Trump



List of executive actions by Barack Obama

a reply to: Oraculi

Do you have any numbers on how many of BO's were challenged in the courts compared to Trump's?

a reply to: Oraculi

The problem with Obama's use of that pen caused great harm to rights and freedoms. Not really seeing that with Trump, except for his caving in to the fruit loopers freaking out over bump stocks.

What do the orders say?

With Obama he did it and loved the feeling of power gone wrong when he did it. Obama used the executive pen for evil against our constitutional republic form of government, which he wanted very bad to change to something else quite ugly.

Show what Trump has used it for.

And Trump has reversed none of the power grabs.
Smith Mundt and Electronic Privacy act come to mind.

I do believe many of Trumps EO's are undoing those of the corrupt (and incompetent) Obama.

originally posted by: thedigirati
it's not the fequency Kenneth, it's the subject matter.

(did anyone get that?)

The year: 1986. As 54-year old newsman Dan Rather walks to his Manhattan apartment, he is assaulted by two men demanding to know "Kenneth, what is the frequency?"

The assault, which remains unsolved for several years, gains notoriety, even inspiring the song "What's the Frequency, Kenneth?", the lead cut on R.E.M's ninth studio album, Monster, in 1994.

Coincidentally also in 1994, one William Tager, convinced that broadcasters were beaming signals into his head, is sentenced to 12-and-a-half to 25 years for the killing of an NBC stagehand while attempting to break into a studio to block the offensive frequencies. His identity as Rather's assailant is eventually confirmed by the NY District Attorney's office. Tager was paroled in 2010.

en.m.wikipedia.org...,_what_is_the_frequency?%22

"it's the content not the quantity"..... except under Obama...

a reply to: DictionaryOfExcuses
Is that the same frequency that caused everyone to go insane in the church scene of the movie Kingsmen??? Would I be susceptible to such a frequency if there is metal in my head?

I don' t think that the issue here is whether or not we agree on the topic of the EOs or even with the frequency of them. The issue here is that Trump DID. Not only did he but he was emphatically against them in such abundance.

He called such frequent use '' A BASIC DISASTER''. He then said '' you can't do it''

This is the issue here, that he lambasted Obama over it and then turns around and for whatever reason signs them more frequently than did Obama. That is hypocrisy

He call Obamas frequent use of OEs '' major power grabs of authority''.

So if Obamas use was a major power grab of authority, how could it not be the very same thing when he has signed more than Obama.

This is not to say that Obama was not grabbing more power for the Executive Branch, and that is not to say that Bush before him was not also grabbing power for the Exectutive Branch.

But what it does say is that the power grabs by the Exectutive Branch of the government has been grabbing and grabbing and grabbing at an ever increasing rate, and Mr. Trump is no exception.

He is no exception.

originally posted by: thedigirati
it's not the fequency Kenneth, it's the subject matter.

(did anyone get that?)

the amount of EO's doesn't mean a whole lot, but what they are about does, it may take an EO to get rid of an EO, right?

so of course, as President Trump dismantles Obama's "legacy" he may have to write a few EO's to eliminate the EO's of the previous administration.

that is my guess.

Ya think Dan Rather posts here lol