Not enough people falling for DNA testing they are paying people now

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: StallionDuck

What if your DNA can cure cancer? Who do you think would get the credit? Not you... You no longer own it.

So it's better to never know that your blood could cure people?

It's a good point but I thought of that before I mentioned it. Not only will THEY get the credit for it but you and I aren't likely to 'afford' the cure either way so it really doesn't matter. That is, considering that big pharma doesn't care about your health, only your money.

originally posted by: JustJohnny
a reply to: JAGStorm

If “they “ are controlling ancestry.com, why not the hospital too?? We leave dna EVERYWHERE.

This conspiracy theory reminds me of smart meters..


Remember the conspiracy where the government was gonna spy on us through our smart meters... all while we use smart phones for all our communications.. lol

Scientists want our DNA because if they had everyone’s and a detailed account of medicAl history and such .. They could tell what markers did what, and from there the sky is the limit..

The difference is the legality of it. With the DNA company, you're willingly GIVING your DNA to them and telling them they can give it to whomever they please.

My blood samples aren't allowed to go anywhere but where I want them to go. The piece of paper I sign when I walk in to a doctors office for the first time legally binds them to that contract they've made with me. Only my doctor is allowed to see the results aside from myself. Not my work, not the FBI, not anyone.

So... Should someone obtain my DNA through any other means aside from a court order, they are liable to suite in a court of law. If I'm charged with a crime and the evidence being that same information, it will be thrown out faster than you can say "I Object"!

a reply to: SeaWorthy

Instead of my saliva should have sent doggie drool

Oh man! I would love to see those results!


'It says here, you come from a long line of labradoodles - sorry, you're not a pedigree".

Possibly looking for the "antenna' markers?

a reply to: thedigirati

What happens when your cancer curing blood is copyrighted?

I don't care so long as it cures people.

You are making copies of cancer killing platelets, imagine the fine for that if they can get 50 g's just for songs

Money is very far down on my list of things I want in life.
Believe it or not but I make 600-700 dollars per month and that is more than I need.
With my job I have the option to work more and make much more than that. But I don't want it.
Id rather spend my time with those that love. Being their when they need me on an emotional level.
Something I couldn't do if I worked all the time. The people I love need me to physically be there with them. They don't need my money.

a reply to: StallionDuck

but you and I aren't likely to 'afford' the cure either way

Not if we have universal healthcare.

My aca insurance is awesome. I'm positive that it would be covered under it.
It already covered my colon cancer and saved me from that.

Full info: I had some pain in my colon and after a colonoscopy there was found cancerous polyps that had to be removed.
My doctor told me if those had not been found and removed I would have been dying from colon cancer within the next 10 years.

The aca was the only way I could afford that level of care.

You saved me because it's your tax money that pays for the aca.
So I am very welling to give up my dna even for a chance of saving others.
I owe you. And the other tax payers.

a reply to: JAGStorm

>>> Some things that i thought of right off the bat. They want a DNA database so if some billioniare needs a kidney and you're a match, they know where to find you. They want to trace our racial origins since something about the evolution theory doesn't quite add up. They want to have a DNA database to rest super bugs or chemical agents and now what to release and where. Maybe we're unknowing relatives of alien hybrids and don't even know it. They want to track unsolved crimes with DNA samples that haven't turned up any leads. Thats been done already. You get some bogus DNA ancestry profile while they sell you're profile to anybody who wants it.

a reply to: LABTECH767

It is simply all those things.

Insurance companies will eventually either legally or illegally lever DNA data to adjust rates. Life insurance, medical insurance etc.

DNA research will also cure diseases and/or offer new treatments and preventions.

Lastly, genealogy being a hobby of mine, you don't have to give your DNA to be identified by it anymore. Several high profile arrests lately are just the tip of the ice-berg.

Between Family Tree sites and the massive amount of data for sale on everyone? Someone in your extended family, cousin etc gives DNA for family research or such and any half-decent researcher can identify you if your DNA is left anywhere even if there is no direct sample form you for comparison.

Let alone what the gov can do with it's data warehouse.

Honestly? Cat's out of the bag. We need hard and fast privacy laws quickly around DNA.

Your uncles son gives a DNA sample for ancestry research? A different firm buys the data, or hackers get it and sell it and the next firm runs analyses and determines it shows a paternal DNA abnormality that increases the risk of prostate cancer by 30%? You end up with increased rates for Life insurance or Medical Coverage even though you never gave a DNA sample.
The Insurance firm doesn't even have to tell you why they jacked up your rates.

That and million other dispositions to various diseases.

Sounds wild, but it wont be long IMO.

Isnt it easy to acquire someone's dna

originally posted by: Bloodworth
Isnt it easy to acquire someone's dna

Yes.

The only question is legally or illegally.

For example the Golden State Killer? They used his old DNA on file and ran it through Ancestry.com, found relatives, knew he was a cousin of X, then examined the family tree, narrowed by age and gender, identified a suspect.

Then they got a cup he drank out of out of the garbage and confirmed full DNA match to the decades old sample.

This is a Good Use scenario.

A bad use scenario would be an Insurance company getting their hands on Ancestry DNA data, using ML algorithms to predict disease or early death, then back-running the data to paint entire extended family trees with associated increased risk. Rates go up and it can make Insurance companies trillions in more accurate risk predictions.

Let alone how an unethical Alphabet Agency or dictatorship might exploit the data.

China Uses DNA to Track Its People, With the Help of American Expertise

BEIJING — The authorities called it a free health check. Tahir Imin had his doubts.

They drew blood from the 38-year-old Muslim, scanned his face, recorded his voice and took his fingerprints. They didn’t bother to check his heart or kidneys, and they rebuffed his request to see the results.

www.nytimes.com...

originally posted by: Bloodworth
Isnt it easy to acquire someone's dna

Wouldn't that be fair....they cant keep running if they are paying life insurance policies to people who will not live long.

I just ran across some who told me how many families from india take out life insurance policies for every child since birth.

Aunts, uncles, cousins, family friends all chip in and pay for the policy each month.
Then if anything happens each get a few hundred thousand.
And sometimes you have to sacrifice for your family

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: JAGStorm

None of those points particularly concerns me, to be honest.

I'm fascinated with genetics and would love to find out about my own genetic origins. I've never actually got around to doing it though, don't really know why. Maybe its just laziness, or maybe its my instinctive conspiracy theorist nature... who knows?

You then sell out your family and offspring, for generations to come.

a reply to: JAGStorm

What I want to know is why they want to know whose DNA they're looking at? I mean, there's DNA everywhere. If their purposes are actually scholarly, they'd only need a few people to correlate certain data points with. In fact it would make for a great blind control group to check markers in random DNA samples against the general population for certain traits.

Obviously scholarly reasons are not the sole purpose of DNA harvesting. So what else are they using it for?

a reply to: Oaktree

you don't sell out, as you're paying for it. It's the ultimate con.

originally posted by: Extorris

originally posted by: Bloodworth
Isnt it easy to acquire someone's dna

Yes.

The only question is legally or illegally.

For example the Golden State Killer? They used his old DNA on file and ran it through Ancestry.com, found relatives, knew he was a cousin of X, then examined the family tree, narrowed by age and gender, identified a suspect.

Then they got a cup he drank out of out of the garbage and confirmed full DNA match to the decades old sample.

This is a Good Use scenario.

A bad use scenario would be an Insurance company getting their hands on Ancestry DNA data, using ML algorithms to predict disease or early death, then back-running the data to paint entire extended family trees with associated increased risk. Rates go up and it can make Insurance companies trillions in more accurate risk predictions.

Let alone how an unethical Alphabet Agency or dictatorship might exploit the data.

China Uses DNA to Track Its People, With the Help of American Expertise

BEIJING — The authorities called it a free health check. Tahir Imin had his doubts.

They drew blood from the 38-year-old Muslim, scanned his face, recorded his voice and took his fingerprints. They didn’t bother to check his heart or kidneys, and they rebuffed his request to see the results.

www.nytimes.com...

Wouldn't that be fair....they cant keep running if they are paying life insurance policies to people who will not live long.

I just ran across some who told me how many families from india take out life insurance policies for every child since birth.

Aunts, uncles, cousins, family friends all chip in and pay for the policy each month.
Then if anything happens each get a few hundred thousand.
And sometimes you have to sacrifice for your family

a reply to: StallionDuck

If my DNA was used to cure cancer the last thing I'd be concerned about was who got praise.

originally posted by: StallionDuck
a reply to: SeaWorthy

Instead of my saliva should have sent doggie drool

Oh man! I would love to see those results!


'It says here, you come from a long line of labradoodles - sorry, you're not a pedigree".

Be careful which company you use lmao! 😂😂😂
interestingengineering.com...

a reply to: StallionDuck

What if your DNA can cure cancer? Who do you think would get the credit? Not you... You no longer own it.

I don't believe that's true. I think they must give you at the very least, attribution & credit, and if there's any financial compensation you must be paid. They only own the sample that you send them for the testing purposes outlined *only*.

DNA testing services like Ancestry and DNA cannot sell it or give it away - except in bulk with other DNA samples to companies like the GEDmatch - that's the one used to find and capture killers & other criminals. I believe there may have already been a few court cases on this topic, but I'm not certain.

Ancestry, 23andMe and My Heritage have all resisted law enforcement efforts to obtain DNA results.

Here's a good article on the topic from "The Atlantic" - which is a terrific magazine in my opinion.

A DNA Company Wants Your DNA to Catch Criminals

originally posted by: JustJohnny
a reply to: JAGStorm

If “they “ are controlling ancestry.com, why not the hospital too?? We leave dna EVERYWHERE.

This conspiracy theory reminds me of smart meters..


Remember the conspiracy where the government was gonna spy on us through our smart meters... all while we use smart phones for all our communications.. lol

Scientists want our DNA because if they had everyone’s and a detailed account of medicAl history and such .. They could tell what markers did what, and from there the sky is the limit..

It does? Didn't you know that smart meters can and ARE SUCCESSFULLY USED to "assess unusual electrical consumption"

e.g. let's say the "average 4 person family home" uses 3KwH (Kilowatt Hours -- IDK what the "imperial" measurement is)

add ONE room with a hydroponic growing set up and BOOM! You're electricity bill triples!

ergo sum a 'reason' to obtain a search warrant etc

IDK about the US but we've got smart meters here and it caused some consternation with hydropot growers being exposed due to their "excessive power usage"

and the 'average Idiot' Loves that! They also wouldn't know if their meter is 'smart' as they are SO stupid!

Y'know the US army has calculated that 10% of people are SO stupid that they Can't be used safely or successfully in Any way! One in Ten people are SO stupid that even the Army can't find a use for them!

OTOH what do you think they get the Top 1 in 10 to do?

a reply to: scraedtosleep

Money may be low on YOUR list, doesn't mean other folks don't want more.

in my scenario, you would have to pay 50 G for every once of your blood you make.

so yeah you would be way broke and working 60 hours a week, no time for family then huh??


copyright laws are being expanded almost daily and no one cares, until it affects you.