Navy Pilot sees "dark mass" take torpedo......

Navy Pilot David Fravor claimed on Oct. 5th that a mystery "dark mass" emerged from the ocean and swallowed a torpedo whole. He also claims another Navy Pilot had something like this happen off the coast of Puerto Rico in the 1990's.

He described what happened:

As they hoist the BQM [torpedo] up, he’s looking at this thing going, ‘What the hell is that?’ And then it just goes back down underwater. “Once they pull the kid and the BQM out of the water, this object descends back into the depths.” While the other pilot thought the incident was strange, indicating some skepticism, the same thing happened a few months later, Fravor claimed. “He’s out picking up a torpedo, they hook the diver up on the winch, and as they’re lowering him down, he sees this big mass,” Fravor said. “He goes, ‘It’s not a submarine,’ he’s seen submarines before, once you’ve seen a submarine you can’t confuse it with something else.” “This big object, kind of circular, is coming up from the depths and he starts screaming through the intercom system to tell them to pull the diver up, and the diver’s only a few feet from the water,” he added. “They reverse the winch and the diver’s thinking: ‘What the hell is going on?’ And all of a sudden he said the torpedo just got sucked down underwater, and the object just descended back down into the depths.”

Fravor said the torpedo was never recovered and was adamant the torpedo didn't sink and was "sucked down."
Fravor had an encounter with a ufo while with the USS Nimitz in 2004, and he described the object he saw as "something not from this world."

ravor said the object was flying around a patch of white water in the ocean below. “A white Tic Tac, about the same size as a Hornet, 40 feet long with no wings,” Fravor described. “Just hanging close to the water.” “As I get closer, as my nose is starting to pull back up, it accelerates and it’s gone,” he said. “Faster than I’d ever seen anything in my life. We turn around, say let’s go see what’s in the water and there’s nothing. Just blue water.” “I don’t think I was a nut-job as an officer in the Navy. I wasn’t drunk, I don’t do drugs. I got a good night’s rest, it was a clear day,” he said. “I think someone should have looked into it. Having talked to some of the other folks, it’s a big frustration that it’s coming out now and wasn’t discussed back in 2004.” While Fravor is often ridiculed for his theories, the U.S. Navy recently admitted that a series of UFO videos are real.

Fravor talks about this encounter at the 2.30 mark of the video:





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Note: on the last episode of the great show called "Contact" on Discovery and the Science Channel they talked about uso's, and it was presented in the last episode that the Navy actually has underwater listening posts stationed around the world to monitor for uso's.

a reply to: data5091

I saw this Rogan intervew and I wanted to post it. Thanks for doing it.

a reply to: data5091

Navy Pilot David Fravor claimed on Oct. 5th that a mystery "dark mass" emerged from the ocean and swallowed a torpedo whole.

Seems Fravor wants more of the UFO pie off the back of his former career , I find his claim ridiculous but he used to be an Air Force pilot so some will believe it.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: data5091

Navy Pilot David Fravor claimed on Oct. 5th that a mystery "dark mass" emerged from the ocean and swallowed a torpedo whole.

Seems Fravor wants more of the UFO pie off the back of his former career , I find his claim ridiculous but he used to be an Air Force pilot so some will believe it.

He was a US Navy pilot. He is telling this story as a third party. He never said he saw this himself. It was a helicopter recovery issue. It was the helicopter pilot who provided the information that Fravor related. The story itself is not at all ridiculous.

in the last episode of "Contact" they mentioned these unidentified submerged objects are able to move at the speed of around several hundred knots underwater. Thats about 350 mph under water.

a reply to: schuyler

Do we have a name for the helicopter pilot ?

Given the circles he now moves in I think the story is a story , I'm happy to be proved wrong.

a reply to: gortex

It would be nice if the Navy released the radar information. If the objects were confirmed on radar maybe they could have confirmed the speeds.

a reply to: data5091

"We have a real world vector so we are going to head you out to the West."

Daily Star story on the same subject

Did not catch the name of the Pilot who saw this incident however.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: schuyler

Do we have a name for the helicopter pilot ?

Given the circles he now moves in I think the story is a story , I'm happy to be proved wrong.

If you had a name would that change anything? Fravor has a very good reputation as a straight shooter, as most fighter pilots are. His credibility has never been successfully challenged. That you don't believe that does not change that. I see no substantive reason to challenge this story.

BTW, active duty personnel are not going to come forward readily as their careers are at stake--despite the new found openness of the Navy. Fravor & Co are all retired and/or out of the Navy. There are a couple of pilots on the Roosevelt incident (Fast walker and gymbal) who are still in the Navy and have gone on the record, but many have not.

a reply to: data5091

He claimed it went 60 miles in 30 seconds. That's 2 miles per second or 7200 MPH. 7200 MPH is still within military jet speeds. Maybe this is some kind of high tech stealth drone.

originally posted by: gortex
Given the circles he now moves in I think the story is a story , I'm happy to be proved wrong.

I'm sure he couldn't care less what you think/believe...

a reply to: dfnj2015

could be a high tech stealth drone, but not from our world though too. I think it highly possible some of the ufo's and maybe even some uso's are drone type vehicles fwiw, but not from here.

a reply to: schuyler

My ex-brother in law related a story to me a few years back--OK, almost 30 years ago--about an encounter his submarine had while transiting back to Pearl Harbor after a patrol.

The sub was ordered to break off to investigate, and follow, a mysterious something that had been spotted west of Saipan. The sub made contact apparently, and followed the object for two days (if I remember correctly), before it accelerated away and left them in the dust.

He said that the reported speed of the object was over 100 knots when it disappeared off the scopes.

a reply to: dfnj2015

What military jet can go 7200 mph?? Other than the x-15, or some of the more recent projects involving hypersonic flight?

Nothing that's in common use that I'm aware of...which is, I should point out, alot.

a reply to: gortex

I'm kind of curious myself. I've been the guy on the hoist recovering torpedoes. The only place the Navy does this is AUTEC.

a reply to: seagull

Interesting story. Suddenly uso's are in the news. Soundsslike the Navy is fairly familiar with them from everything coming out now.

originally posted by: schuyler

He was a US Navy pilot. He is telling this story as a third party. He never said he saw this himself. It was a helicopter recovery issue. It was the helicopter pilot who provided the information that Fravor related. The story itself is not at all ridiculous.

Yes well said and would be good to know who that is - plenty of other extremely strange USO reports from that island though.

Felix Rivera is a diver with an underwater salvage company based near the American Naval Air Station which adjoins El Yunque, one of many U.S. bases on the island. He confirmed to me that UFOs and USOs have frequently been observed often by American military personnel. 

'Navy Seals - America's elite special forces - have seen USOs here,' he revealed. 'Some have told me that these things will often come up close to boats, then shoot off. They move too fast underwater to be ours.' 

Reports

a reply to: data5091

It would certainly seem that they're, and by association, the other submarine using navies of the world, very aware of something odd going on in the worlds oceans...

I've seen a USO. I've got a thread about it here on ATS. It's an old thread--one of my first threads.

a reply to: data5091


he also never flew for the Air Force. OP you need to do your research before you throw together a s#!+ show thread like this one. Your title is even misleading for crying out loud. no star, no flag, back to the drawing board for you....