A New-To-Me Theory on 9/11

a reply to: Itisnowagain

It’s about as credible as saying the NWO employed grey aliens (ETs) to deploy micro blackholes for a split second to initiate each building’s collapse.

Waiting for you to prove that fantasy wrong.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

And you never did answer

Since you want to put weight to people with doctor in their title...

Have you watched / read Dr Woods debunking of WTC Nukes, WTC thermite?

Which Truther has the truth...

a reply to: Itisnowagain

Thanks for the 'Ground Zero model'. I have not seen the radioactive data, could be covered up like many other things. It does help explain how the spire evaporated. Had not seen shots of the underground dust plume when the collapse started before. Helps support some underground explosion taking place. The effects on nearby electronics is also makes a compelling case.

originally posted by: kwakakev
a reply to: Itisnowagain

Thanks for the 'Ground Zero model'. I have not seen the radioactive data, could be covered up like many other things. It does help explain how the spire evaporated. Had not seen shots of the underground dust plume when the collapse started before. Helps support some underground explosion taking place. The effects on nearby electronics is also makes a compelling case.

Good gosh. What do you not get there was no coverup of radiation data.

Again. If there was some nuclear reaction that weaken the steel, people would have drop dead from radiation poisoning at ground zero on the day of 9/11. Survivors in a day or two would have loss hair, teeth, would have vomiting. Manhattan would still be radioactive beyond safe levels to live on....

Since you obviously cannot take time to read all the posts...

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: neutronflux
True ignorance is calling something bs when you have not even veiwed it.

It is a NEW theory......the book was only published this year......but you appear to be stuck in 2018 (trying to prove something by quoting a post from 2018).

There is zero evidence any nukes used at the WTC. No evidence of any nuclear reactions working on the steel. No indication of radiation above background that shows there was enough uranium as an example that would have the amount needed to cause damage to the steel. No resulting fission products above background to show a nuclear reaction took place with the strength to weaken the steel.

Let’s put things in prospective.

Elephant's Foot (Chernobyl)

The Elephant's Foot is composed primarily of silicon dioxide, with traces of uranium, titanium, zirconium, magnesium and graphite.[1][2][5][6] The mass is largely homogeneous,[citation needed] though the depolymerized silicate glass contains occasional crystalline grains of zircon. These grains of zircon are not elongated, suggesting a moderate crystallization rate. While uranium dioxide dendrites grew quickly at high temperatures within the lava, the zircon began crystallization during slow cooling of the lava. Despite the distribution of uranium-bearing particles not being uniform, the radioactivity of the mass is evenly distributed.[citation needed] The mass is quite dense and unyielding to a drill mounted on a remote-controlled trolley, but able to be damaged by a rifle using armor piercing rounds.[4][1][2] By June 1998, the outer layers had started turning to dust and the mass had started to crack.[7]

Lethality Edit

At the time of its discovery, about 8 months after formation, radioactivity near the Elephant's Foot was approximately 8,000 roentgens, or 80 grays per hour,[2] delivering a 50/50 lethal dose of radiation (4.5 grays)[8] within five minutes.[2] Since that time the radiation intensity has declined enough that, in 1996, the Elephant's Foot was visited by the Deputy Director of the New Confinement Project, Artur Korneyev,[a] who took photographs using an automatic camera and a flashlight to illuminate the otherwise dark room.[10]

The Elephant's Foot had flowed through at least 2 m (6.6 ft) of pipes and fissures to reach its current location.[4] There were fears that the corium might continue to penetrate deeper into the ground and come into contact with groundwater, contaminating the area's drinking water and leading to illnesses and deaths;[11] however, as of 2016, the mass has not moved significantly since its discovery and is estimated to be only slightly warmer than its environment due to heat from the ongoing nuclear decay.[10]

The Chernobyl “ Elephant's Foot was approximately 8,000 roentgens, or 80 grays per hour,[2] delivering a 50/50 lethal dose of radiation (4.5 grays)[8] within five minutes.” Was solid.

A solid mass that was not boiling could deliver a 50/50 leather dose of radiation in 5 minutes.

If there was enough nuclear materials/nuclear reactions to boil steel for three months as Salander claims. Or enough to melt steel to make a structure like a twin tower to collapse, people would have died violently of radiation poisoning on the day of 9/11. Survivors with in days losing hair and teeth, symptoms of vomiting. The radiation levels would be evident and obvious. With Manhattan still contaminated above levels for safe occupation. With the areas where the WTC debris was buried obviously contaminated and poisoned by radiation.

a reply to: kwakakev

You

Helps support some underground explosion taking place

What?????

There is no evidence by seismic, audio, over pressure data there were explosions with the force to cut steel columns. Workers had to cut the core column bases from the WTC foundations to remove them.

Would you make up your mind. First you push Thermite. Then you push Dustification. Then you push nuclear reactions. Now your back to explosions.

a reply to: neutronflux

And again. Dust being moved is indication of air movement, not explosions. As the demolition by hydraulic jack illustrates...

a reply to: neutronflux
Can you provide a link for the Elephant Foot quote that you have quoted for the third time?

a reply to: neutronflux

Would you make up your mind. First you push Thermite. Then you push Dustification. Then you push nuclear reactions. Now your back to explosions.

The case for Thermite is solid. Something cut up all the steel beams like a game of pickup sticks.



This does not mean it was the only demolition technique that was used for such large buildings. I am sure all the specific details are locked away in some top secret safe somewhere. For now i am still open to other high intensity events that worked with the Thermite to bring it all down.

a reply to: kwakakev

Nice picture that does not back anything you posted.

Show me a close of a column on the pile with a cut with actual slag that was exposed to 3000 degree Fahrenheit temperatures. It’s well documented the columns broke at their welds by mechanical stress.

Let me guess. Your going to post those pictures of columns cut by thermal lance by workers during cleanup used by Richard Gage as false evidence of thermite. What an F’n joke.

How did all the less masses floor connections survive unmelted? As in not evaporated, not deformed by heat. Only show signs of shearing, testing, being overloaded.

Now. Back to the BS fantasy of nuclear reactions.

To keep you from changing the subject.

en.m.wikipedia.org...'s_Foot_(Chernobyl)
“ The Elephant's Foot is a large mass of black corium with many layers, externally resembling tree bark and glass. It was formed during the Chernobyl disaster in April 1986,”

“ The Elephant's Foot had flowed through at least 2 m (6.6 ft) of pipes and fissures to reach its current location.”

The Chernobyl “ Elephant's Foot was approximately 8,000 roentgens, or 80 grays per hour,[2] delivering a 50/50 lethal dose of radiation (4.5 grays)[8] within five minutes.” Was solid.

A solid mass that was not boiling could deliver a 50/50 leather dose of radiation in 5 minutes.

Despite its high radiation and lava like flowing, the pipes it traveled retained enough structural integrity to direct its flow. That’s puzzling.

If there was enough nuclear materials/nuclear reactions to boil steel for three months as Salander claims. Or enough to melt steel to make a structure like a twin tower to collapse, people would have died violently of radiation poisoning on the day of 9/11. Survivors with in days losing hair and teeth, symptoms of vomiting. The radiation levels would be evident and obvious. With Manhattan still contaminated above levels for safe occupation. With the areas where the WTC debris was buried obviously contaminated and poisoned by radiation.

a reply to: kwakakev

Funny the truth movement never refers to these photo as evidence of controlled demolition?

2,400 "new" unseen 9/11 photos found at estate sale, june 2019

www.metabunk.org...

from the bbc:

Archivists who bought a stash of CDs at a house clearance sale found 2,400 photos of Ground Zero in New York taken following the 9/11 attacks in 2001.

They appear to have been taken by an as yet unidentified construction worker who helped to clear up the wreckage of the World Trade Center towers and surrounding area.

The CDs were in poor condition but the data was ultimately retrievable.

The archivists have uploaded the photos to Flickr.

www.flickr.com...

originally posted by: Lazarus Short
OK, but it goes very quick for a pdf document, with not-so-much text in a tiny font, like maybe you were expecting.

The thing explains, point by point, what was observed, paired with what the writer though must have been going on below ground, in the towers and in the air above. It covers some very odd phenom, such as dustification, the survival of paper, rapid rusting of iron at and around the site, melted steel, melted granite, and on and on.

Read it, it does not take long...

That is the key, what's happening below ground and if you watch footage of the collapses, both do indeed fall from the base first, in the case of the North tower the slight movement of the antennae dropping first indicates the central core giving way.

The NIST report, albeit is basically an opinion piece but in summary concludes:

The stories below provided little resistance to relatively tremendous energy of the falling building, allowing them to fall very quickly

This point is why was this the case? If accepted that most of the jet fuel burned up on impact, how could it travel down the shafts causing the amount of damage that would be required in order to destabilize the entire structure at the base.

a reply to: LookingAtMars

A 3rd or 4th generation nuclear device with somewhat directional control being used seems to be the gist of the article.

a reply to: Zcustosmorum

But the core for at least one Tower didn’t fail first. It failed/collapsed last.

a reply to: Zcustosmorum

a reply to: Zcustosmorum

You

That is the key, what's happening below ground and if you watch footage of the collapses, both do indeed fall from the base first

originally posted by: neutronflux
I found it odd that supposedly nukes or thermite destroyed all the structural steel that was allegedly whisked away to China?

But yet I learned something new today. Another fact I never see mentioned by conspiracists. Column No. 1,001 B. The last standing WTC column removed.

Some how with all the underground nukes, under ground detonations, China Syndromes, thermite, rivers of molten steel, there was a last standing vertical column removed from the remains of the WTC foundation with an intact slurry wall as its backdrop? And intact foundation where the column to to be cut away?

And somehow this large 58 ton piece of steel was not too radioactive to handle despite supposed China syndrome, remained unmelted despite the supposed thermite, remained unmelted despite the rivers of supposed molten metal, remained standing despite the supposed underground nuke that fractured the WTC foundation , and was not shipped off to China?

And was cool enough to spray paint on, and tape pictures to.

And this was the last remaining piece of foundation column standing? So there was more than one not vaporized by supposed nukes or supposed thermite that had to be cut off from the supposed fractured WTC foundation?

Last Steel Column From the Ground Zero Rubble Is Cut Down

www.nytimes.com...

Column No. 1,001 B of 2 World Trade Center, the last symbolic piece of the unfathomable recovery effort, was cut down at 8:17 p.m. yesterday by operating engineers, ironworkers, teamsters, laborers and dock builders.
The 58-ton piece of steel from the south tower was laid on a flatbed truck, wrapped in black muslin and an American flag, and tucked in a corner of the pit. It will be taken out tomorrow morning as part of the ceremony marking the end of the recovery effort at ground zero. The world will participate by television

The Last Column is Removed from the WTC
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The Last Column: A Symbol of Resilience
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Final steel beam removed from Ground Zero
m.youtube.com...

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Zcustosmorum

But the core for at least one Tower didn’t fail first. It failed/collapsed last.

I presume you're talking about the South tower, and no, you have to watch closely but it also falls from the base first.

And I'm not getting into the steel getting taken away to China, I'll simply say the investigation was botched (whether deliberately or not, who can say), but the meagre amount put forward in order to carry it out kind of suggests that no-one in authority was interested in discovering what truths may have hidden in the rubble.

I also disagree with the nuke theory as it wasn't required and surely would have been detected.

a reply to: andy06shake
It's easier to understand if you watch the video presentation which I have posted twice so far.....so I will just leave a link here:
Watch "17th. AZK (Switzerland): 'The Ground Zero Model [GZM]' (enhanced; english)" on YouTube
youtu.be...

It was posted in yt just 4 weeks ago.

a reply to: neutronflux

people would have died violently of radiation poisoning on the day of 9/11

There is a lot about the specifics i do not know. It does not appear to be the usual uranium / plutonium chain reaction. Some kind of reaction that reached temperatures of 8000 degrees to weaken the internal structure prior to detonation sounds reasonable with some of the evidence presented.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

I understand just fine.

Just dont know if a i agree.

But cheers for the video.

originally posted by: kwakakev
a reply to: neutronflux

people would have died violently of radiation poisoning on the day of 9/11

There is a lot about the specifics i do not know. It does not appear to be the usual uranium / plutonium chain reaction. Some kind of reaction that reached temperatures of 8000 degrees to weaken the internal structure prior to detonation sounds reasonable with some of the evidence presented.

There is no evidence temperatures reached 8000 F. The structural steel was number at construct. By number, what columns were not recovered.

Again...

a reply to: kwakakev

And again...

See the picture below of the Tower’s core columns stripped of the floor system still standing in long lengths.



Its not glowing white hot because it was not heated to the point where steel would evaporate at over 5000 degrees Fahrenheit. There is no molten slag. No sparking of thermite burning.

There is zero evidence the towers were exposed to temperatures other that of normal office fires, and burning jet fuel.