I Have This Theory I Need to Run By People

originally posted by: mazzroth
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Wow you are certainly confident about it being a fake, I know a lot of the evidence is from Joseph P Farrell and its speculation but have you considered that guy was trying to cover up? I am pretty certain the Kecksburg Accorn was real with eye witnesses from multiple reliable sources. The die glocke may not be real and it could be just enemy propaganda but I think its a very interesting topic.

mazzroth, the interest of the Reich in unusual topics is certainly worth a look. Some of their projects were non-starters, but that doesn't mean it all was. I take it you've read Cook's book on this topic -- if not, you should check it out.

Not far from the Bell's purported location, there is a very real system of kilometers-long tunnels that the SS used slave labor to create. The very scale of the tunnel system ("Riese") has raised questions of what the Nazis intended to do there. It is too wet inside those tunnels to store anything that needs to be kept dry and to this day it is unclear of what their purpose was to be. I found it intriguing that local lore mentions "watchers" who are people that seal up amateur digs into the hillsides in which the Riese tunnels were dug. A lot of it may be only the product of healthy imaginations, but it is an odd "artifact" of the war and one of the hints that the Nazis were up to some unusual projects.

Cheers

a reply to: mazzroth

You watched this movie didn't you? `Thought so...

a reply to: Oleandra88


I could probably live under your rule...
Grant me an upper position though.

a reply to: mazzroth

I think that the History channel has covered this about a doze times.

Wasn't the bell supposed to be an engine that used rotating electromagnetic fields to generate thrust. Hence why it was being built at one of the Nazi's top rocketry centers?

No description of the bell included any mention of a crew compartment or any means of flying it from inside.

If it was a time machine, why build it at a base filled with people who were experts on rockets and engines? I'm not aware of there being anybody on that base who was an expert in the areas of physics that would be involved in time travel or dimensional travel.

Furthermore, no witnesses to the keckburg incident reported seeing people coming out of the object, or a crew compartment of any kind. I think the people who saw it would have noticed a door or a window, or a dozen Nazi getting out of it.

And why would Nazi go to a future version of America, wouldn't they go somewhere like Argentina which sheltered Nazi after te war, or to some secret Nazi base in Antartica?

a reply to: mazzroth

Here's a really good long detailed interview of UFO researcher Stan Gordon on this incident:



I did not know that some of the witnesses claim the object had controlled turns before it crash landed. And another strange bit from the interview there were hundreds of people who heard about the incident and drove to the spot to check it out for themselves. There were cars and people everywhere on all the small roads.

originally posted by: oloufo
a reply to: mazzroth

If some nazis would have been entered the future, they would destroyed it within a few years. And we wouldn‘t exist anymore too.

They would have landed in the most rich and powerful country in the World and use their propaganda techniques to divide the people, scapegoat others so they can rise to power, and then conduct endless wars on other nations. I wonder which country they landed in...

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: mazzroth

They would be welcomed by the Alt-Right.

But time travel like this takes a lot of energy. Someone would have noticed.

The right believes I small government, and big freedom.

the left believes in big gov and restriction of rights

Just sayin.......

a reply to: mazzroth

Kammler disappeared to somewhere, but no one knows where. The reports (multiple) of his demise at the end of the war were very sketchy and never confirmed.
He was a facilitator, he made things happen. If he took knowledge with him, it was in the form of printed information. The scientists working where the bell was said to located were all shot dead.

a reply to: mazzroth

I thought they just changed the name from the third reich to USA.

a reply to: defuntion
It depends if you pass the test. When or what or how, you will never know. It could have been yesterday, tomorrow, right now.

That is the thing with time machines

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

This thread was worth it, just for that trailer!

originally posted by: visitedbythem

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: mazzroth

They would be welcomed by the Alt-Right.

But time travel like this takes a lot of energy. Someone would have noticed.

The right believes I small government, and big freedom.

the left believes in big gov and restriction of rights

Just sayin.......

The right believes in anarchy, laissez faire capitalism, exploitation of workers, gouging consumers, freedom from consumer protections laws, and paying politicians to pass laws preventing competition in order to have monopolies and cartels.

The left believes government has a role regulating businesses, protecting consumers, protecting workers with public policies, and tempering the excesses and inequalities created by laissez faire capitalism.

Maybe time travel is possible, plenty of stories around about it. Sounds like lots of ways it can be done, all with their own implications. The risks of getting lost in some break away reality or influenced by unknown forces sounds too dangerous. If you did know the future and done something about it to change it do you really know the future?

Let me put it this way. The Nazis were pedantic recorders, paperwork in triplicate. Go to the right museum and you,ll find paperwork for ALL aspects of the final solution. THAT is the nasty side of the Reich, so if they recorded that information don't you think that there would be info on the Bell. NO, because there aint none, this story first appeared in the late 1960s and it's all fabricated. Just like the Priory of Sion, add a few credible names and false dates and pretend it's old.
One very important factor (in fact the most important factor) is that if the Nazis had these vehicles they WOULD have used them. But they didn't because they didn't have them.

Sounds like ones giving the Nazis to much credit, even though I'm under the impression they could of tried for it.

Thing is something like would need alot resources an engineering an that socialism wouldn't be able to pay for that. Even though I do think they were on the verge of making computers that would of been a decade or two ahead. I recall that one Nazi Scientist was actually stating that they would of eventually made digitalized precision weaponry like smart missiles, remote control, to even nazi bots, instead of nuclear bombs.

Heck, it even said the harsh research an experiments the Nazis performed in the camps were confiscated by the Aliies.

I do not buy the time travel theory at all. And I do not think the thing at Kecksburg had anything to do with the Nazis.

originally posted by: visitedbythem

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: mazzroth

They would be welcomed by the Alt-Right.

But time travel like this takes a lot of energy. Someone would have noticed.

The right believes I small government, and big freedom.

the left believes in big gov and restriction of rights

Just sayin.......

Well, a dictator is small government. Just one person in absolute control.

... and big freedom? You are entirely free to do as you are told, but if you are scapegoated, you are gone (remember all those desperate immigrants? That isn't where American crime comes from).

... and doesn't an American talking about freedom taste bitter in your mouth? I mean just about the last country to abolish slavery, and with the largest incarcerated population (and the highest per capita) of any country in the world. The US is literally the least free country in the world.

Also;
- The UN Declaration of Human Rights is far more comprehensive than the US Constitution.
- The US Constitution is self contradictory.
- Some of the rights and freedoms US citizens think they have, are not actually codified anywhere in US law.
- School children in the US have 'Civics' classes. Did you know that no other countries in most of the world don't have mandatory civics classes?



The 'left' generally believes in the equality of all persons even extending into their value to society. I.e: one person's wage and work should be equivalent to another and no one should have special privilege, or excessive wealth, or position, or power. They believe in government by the mandate of the people, which as it includes the entire citizenry, is big government.

a reply to: chr0naut

Slavery still exists in the world. All United States citizens have equal opportunity, what leftists want is equal outcomes. You say every ones wages should be the same? Fast food workers should make the same as an engineer, a scientist a doctor.

What you propose sounds like communism to me.

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: mazzroth

They would be welcomed by the Alt-Right.

Yes, they would - all 23 of them.

The left was on the wrong side of history about slavery, and they are on the wrong side once again.

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: visitedbythem

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: mazzroth

They would be welcomed by the Alt-Right.

But time travel like this takes a lot of energy. Someone would have noticed.

The right believes I small government, and big freedom.

the left believes in big gov and restriction of rights

Just sayin.......

The right believes in anarchy, laissez faire capitalism, exploitation of workers, gouging consumers, freedom from consumer protections laws, and paying politicians to pass laws preventing competition in order to have monopolies and cartels.

The left believes government has a role regulating businesses, protecting consumers, protecting workers with public policies, and tempering the excesses and inequalities created by laissez faire capitalism.