U.S. to pull remaining troops from north Syria as Turkey presses offensive against Kurds

a reply to: YouSir

Interesting how USA history just ignores that isn't it? LOL As I got the fallout and my Dad fought over there which made me very unhappy every time he went for his year deployment, yeah, like in Iraq, they sent those boys over more than one tour of duty which seems to surprise a lot of people. Not me.

And as someone that also had my little town invaded by those nasty Viet cong boat people.... Yeah... I REMEMBER THAT VERY FRIGGING WELL!!! LMFAO hysterically. Those people changed my little town into a #hole real fast. But I am digressing from this thread topic.

Thank you for remembering that little bit of history.

Now y'all see my bias against all wars and especially stupid ones.

a reply to: Vector99

And the Vietnam war was not a war either. It was an engagement. But yet, the USA calls it one but it wasn't one legally. Just a bunch of war games ya know. LOL

originally posted by: VictorVonDoom

originally posted by: Oraculi

When was the last time a president of the United States ordered a full retreat of US military from our theater of operations?

June 8, 1967.

Ahhhh, someone that was there huh? That was a mess and it was condemned. Started the boat people refugee problem too.

a reply to: sybdragon

Apologies, but could you please point out where congress declared war in Syria?

Thanks.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Trump blew some of Syria's stuff up real good.
Does that count?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: DBCowboy

Trump blew some of Syria's stuff up real good.
Does that count?

Yeah.

Did he do that unilaterally?

I forget?

a reply to: DBCowboy

Me too.
Did anyone else launch cruise missiles?

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: sybdragon

Apologies, but could you please point out where congress declared war in Syria?

Thanks.

They didn't. Obama went in to that place totally illegally. Just like he went into 7 countries illegally. Congress hasn't declared war in.... well.... Iraq? And before that? WW2? All these other things are just "engagements". Not war. Engagements.

a reply to: sybdragon

Speaking as a vet, there's not a sh#t bit of difference between a f#cking war and an engagement when some asshole is trying to kill you.

Just saying.

originally posted by: sybdragon

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: sybdragon

Apologies, but could you please point out where congress declared war in Syria?

Thanks.

They didn't. Obama went in to that place totally illegally. Just like he went into 7 countries illegally. Congress hasn't declared war in.... well.... Iraq? And before that? WW2? All these other things are just "engagements". Not war. Engagements.

oh wait. How could I forget? My Dad fought in this one too. KOREA.

Which we are still LEGALLY at war with. The only country that I know of where we are still at war. Officially and legally. Sorry about that. Dang brain is fried sometimes. LOL

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: sybdragon

Speaking as a vet, there's not a sh#t bit of difference between a f#cking war and an engagement when some asshole is trying to kill you.

Just saying.

Hey, I agree with you. I don't see a difference either. It's a legal thing.

a reply to: Phage

www.bbc.com... russia? at one point i think both usa and russia lit isis up the same week with cruise missile barrages

A Russian warship and submarine in the Mediterranean have fired four cruise missiles at so-called Islamic State (IS) positions in central Syria. The strike - the first of its kind since November - targeted militants and heavy weapons near the city of Palmyra, the Russian defence ministry said. The militants had been redeployed from the IS stronghold of Raqqa, it added. Russia has been carrying out air and missile strikes in support Syrian President Bashar al-Assad since 2015. Government forces recaptured Palmyra and its Unesco World Heritage-listed ruins with Russian help in March 2016, but were driven out by IS eight months later. They eventually regained the city this March, but fighting continues nearby.

then there were the Israeli strikes on syria both from cruise missiles and fighters www.haaretz.com...

Israeli warplanes fired missiles at Syria that targeted Syrian military positions in Homs and Sahnaya, south of Damascus, the Syrian military said on Monday. Meanwhile, Turkish-held Cyprus said a Syrian anti-aircraft missile that was fired at Israeli jets landed north of Nicosia. No casualties were reported.

www.theguardian.com... oh and the UK and France

The US, UK and France have launched more than 100 missiles against what they say were Syrian chemical weapons facilities in response to a chemical weapons attack in a Damascus suburb a week ago. The Pentagon said the strikes, which began at 4am Syrian time (0200 GMT), involved planes and ship-launched missiles and identified three targets: a scientific research centre in Damascus, a chemical weapons storage facility west of Homs, and another storage site and command post nearby.

most of the big names in nato have been bombing the crap out of syria for years now ,throw in the Russians Israelis and the various other parties involved in the Syrian conflict and its more of a question of who isnt bombing or involved in the syrian conflict at this point

en.wikipedia.org... iran ,hezbolla,IDF,USA,UK,France,Turks,christian/shia/YPG/ militias,saudi,quatari,jordan,even the frigging Netherlands are in on this one and the Arab league

its basically been a testing ground for all the major powers for what over 5 years now? from russian thermobarics to so many different improvised and homemade weapons it would be better to list what isnt being used in syria

originally posted by: VictorVonDoom

originally posted by: Oraculi

When was the last time a president of the United States ordered a full retreat of US military from our theater of operations?

June 8, 1967.

Explain.

a reply to: Oraculi

Believe it or not, there are nutjobs out there who are more upset over a Kurd potentially getting killed, than Corporal Hines from Topeka, Ks. getting killed.

Normal people want to remove Americans from harm's way, whenever possible.

a reply to: RalagaNarHallas

russia?

I thought we were talking about cruise missile attacks on Syrian targets.

A Russian warship and submarine in the Mediterranean have fired four cruise missiles at so-called Islamic State (IS) positions in central Syria.

And, as I recall, those missiles....missed.

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: VictorVonDoom

originally posted by: Oraculi

When was the last time a president of the United States ordered a full retreat of US military from our theater of operations?

June 8, 1967.

Explain.

The day the USA pulled out of Vietnam. The USA pulled out of there rapidly and leaving behind our local allies we could not take with us. These people became what is known in USA history as the boat people. Although a whole lot of Vietnam cong came with them. My Dad served 3 tours in Nam. He pointed out the Cong to me. He was not happy about it. Now they are just Americans though as they integrated pretty well after a few years and some local justice. The cops wouldn't touch them so the locals took it upon themselves to help them adjust. LOL They had bad stealing habits and they ate our cats and dogs. They assumed because it was in your yard, even a fenced yard and you were not "guarding" it, it was free for them. We had to teach them not to touch our stuff in our yards and to NOT eat the dogs and cats and rats. Disgusting they were. But years have gone by and they are part of the local scene now. Even have their own street gangs like the locals too. Fully integrated now. All American.

a reply to: Phage

what the uk/france/usa/russia/and IDF cruise missiles aren't enough?

and if memory serves me the russians made grandiose claims of shooting down missiles even though that got disputed

but of the missiles in the russian strike it was what 4 of the 26 that went off target and landed in iran with the rest hitting generally where they should which is moderately impressive as the Kaliber is a relatively new Russian missile (1994)
en.wikipedia.org...

On 20 November 2015 Russia launched 18 3M14T cruise missiles from the Caspian Sea onto targets in Syria, the targets were in Raqqa, Idlib and Aleppo.[16][17][18][19] On 9 December 2015 Russia fired a group of 3M14K cruise missiles from Kalibr-PL system at IS positions from the Improved Kilo-class submarine B-237 Rostov-on-Don deployed in the Mediterranean.[20][21] On 19 August 2016 Russia launched three Kalibr-NK cruise missiles from Buyan-class corvette Zelenyy Dol and Serpukhov deployed in the eastern Mediterranean, and struck al-Nusra targets in the Aleppo province.[22] On 20 September 2016 Russian state media reported that Russian warships in the Mediterranean fired three Kalibr-NK missiles at western Aleppo, near Mount Simeon. The Russians claimed that the missile strike killed “30 Israeli and Western officers directing the terrorists’ attacks in Aleppo and Idlib".[23] On 15 November 2016 Russian frigate Admiral Grigorovich fired at least three missiles against targets in Idlib and Homs provinces, Syria.[24][25] On 31 May 2017 the Russian frigate Admiral Essen and submarine Krasnodar launched four missiles against targets east of Palmyra, Syria.[26][27][28] On 23 June 2017 Russian frigates Admiral Grigorovich and Admiral Essen, and the submarine Krasnodar fired six Kalibr missiles at ISIL arms depot targets in Hama.[29][30][31][32][33] On 5 September 2017 the Russian frigate Admiral Essen fired some Kalibr missiles on ISIL targets made by command posts, a communications center, a facility repairing armored vehicles, arms and ammunition depots as part of an operation to take Deir ez-Zor.[34] On 14 September 2017 the Russian submarines Veliky Novgorod and Kolpino fired seven Kalibr missiles on ISIL targets made by command posts, communications centers, ammunition depots in the south-east of Deir ez-Zor.[35] On 22 September 2017 the Russian submarine Veliky Novgorod fired at least three Kalibr missiles on al-Nusra in the Idlib province. The missile strike destroyed command centers, training bases and armored vehicles.[36][37] On 5 October 2017 the Russian submarines Veliky Novgorod and Kolpino launched 10 Kalibr missiles. The strikes were to support Syrian troops conducting a ground offensive in Deir-ez-Zor province.[38][39][40] On 31 October 2017 the Russian submarine Veliky Novgorod launched 3 Kalibr missiles. The strikes were again to support Syrian troops conducting a ground offensive in Deir-ez-Zor province.[41] On 3 November 2017 the Russian submarine Kolpino launched 6 Kalibr missiles from a submerged position. Missiles hit terrorists’ strongholds, weapon and ammunition depots, concentrations of militants, and important command centres near Abu Kamal, Deir-ez-Zor.[42][43] On 3 February 2018 Russian frigates and submarines active in the Mediterranean sea launched several Kalibr missiles on the positions of rebels in the Idlib province, Syria where the Sukhoi Su-25 attack aircraft of Major Roman Filippov was shot down, killing about 30.[44]

www.cnn.com... i mean im prety sure you can find videos of the missiles hitting near palymaria

and like usual the bulk of Israeli missiles hit what they were aiming at. and oddly from a "legal standpoint" were the most legitimate as syria and israel have been in a technical state of war since 1948

are we only calling tomahawk's "cruise missiles" now? do the kalibr and Delphine types not count as cruise missiles launched into syria?

a reply to: RalagaNarHallas


Cruise missiles are guided. Rockets are not.

True fact. And apparently Russian cruise missiles are not very well guided. Which is sort of surprising.
www.washingtonpost.com...

originally posted by: carewemust

Believe it or not, there are nutjobs out there who are more upset over a Kurd potentially getting killed, than Corporal Hines from Topeka, Ks. getting killed.

Normal people want to remove Americans from harm's way, whenever possible.

The problem is that the Kurds have been on our side for decades and Clinton screwed them over as did Obama. Each time we do this and there is a massive number of Kurds killed. The small group of military we had over there was all that was stopping Turkey from massive deaths once again for the Kurds. I'm not sure how the two are related as you suggest above.

originally posted by: sybdragon

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: VictorVonDoom

originally posted by: Oraculi

When was the last time a president of the United States ordered a full retreat of US military from our theater of operations?

June 8, 1967.

Explain.

The day the USA pulled out of Vietnam. The USA pulled out of there rapidly and leaving behind our local allies we could not take with us. These people became what is known in USA history as the boat people. Although a whole lot of Vietnam cong came with them. My Dad served 3 tours in Nam. He pointed out the Cong to me. He was not happy about it. Now they are just Americans though as they integrated pretty well after a few years and some local justice. The cops wouldn't touch them so the locals took it upon themselves to help them adjust. LOL They had bad stealing habits and they ate our cats and dogs. They assumed because it was in your yard, even a fenced yard and you were not "guarding" it, it was free for them. We had to teach them not to touch our stuff in our yards and to NOT eat the dogs and cats and rats. Disgusting they were. But years have gone by and they are part of the local scene now. Even have their own street gangs like the locals too. Fully integrated now. All American.

Source please.
Hint - Vietnam War 1969-1975
The Bitter End 1969 - 1975

And yet another hint -
June 8th 1967 was the day of the USS Liberty incident