He Cares For You

a reply to: EdgeofParadise

Would you allow me to take just a few moments and share something encouraging?

Why are you asking permission to push your insideouss cult on ATS? Does that mean I am allowed to say no, I will not allow you to share anything with me pertaining to your organization? Would that it were so. For I would tell you in no uncertain terms "Begone Satan, and take your evil ministry elsewhere!"

For those on ATS who may be spiritually hungering. Do not be fooled into clicking his link. It is a path that leads to personal and familial destruction and torment.

Click this link instead.

W5: Sex abuse accusations within the Jehovah's Witnesses

Blue Wolf

a reply to: Caroline13456

Another off-topic response.

You responded to nothing in the OP. As several others in this thread.

As well as many in my other threads. I have seen no discussion about the topics, but rather off-topic obfuscation and links to sites that spread out-right lies and false and misleading propaganda.

Yet nothing in the OP is discussed from you, Raggyman, et al, who have come into every thread of mine and went off-topic and never once gave anything beneficial.

I decided to respond to you, in a spirit of mildness to address this.

In most other threads on this website off-topic posts would be removed. But not in my case. And perhaps there is a reason for that. That to will become manifest.

I will continue to show a spirit of mildness and patience. The truth always wins in the end. So there is nothing to fear. And everyone gets what is coming to them. You reap what you sow.

The one who reaps according to the flesh will sow corruption and death. He who sows with a view to the spirit will receive life from it.

I could go into further detail how false and slanderous your accusations are (plural). But see no need to take the time to do so.

I will point out one thing that totally derails the lies and trickery employed.

The same people that say Jehovah's Witnesses break up families are the ones doing the breaking up. The ones who name-call and insult are the ones spreading lies.

They say Jehovah's Witnesses disfellowship unrepentant sinners and in the same breath say they condone what the Bible condemns.

You can already see how you contradict yoursleves. And that is what makes God's people stand out among the nations. They are imperfect people, without a doubt. But they strive to live by the Bible's moral code. We all stumble many times says the Bible. No one is perfect.

But if one persists in immoral conduct the Bible condemns they are expelled from the Christian congregation, thus keeping it clean and holy. This is not like any other organization you can just mess with. You cannot come to the living God and live an immoral life and think you can get away with it. And you certainly cannot go against God's people and not expect to receive a curse for the trouble.

Take the lesson of Balaam. While trying to curse Jehovah's people he could only bless them. And in the end he was put to death along with Balak and the rest of the nation that enticed Jehovah's people to sin....

"They are accursed children. 15 Abandoning the straight path, they have been led astray. They have followed the path of Baʹlaam the son of Beʹor, who loved the reward of wrongdoing, 16 but was reproved for his own violation of what was right. A voiceless beast of burden speaking with a human voice hindered the prophet’s mad course." - 2 Peter 2:14-16.

As I do not know you and am not aware if you are purposefully spreading lies, or have only been mislead and are continuing the slander, I make no judgement. God knows. And he is the judge. Nothing is concealed from him. And everything is brought to the light. And everyone will be judged according to their own deeds.

If a person in the Christian congregation is disfellowshipped for committing such an act that is worthy of having them removed from the Christian congregation, how, in one breadth do you slyly condemn it (the disfellowshippping of unrepentant sinners such as pedophiles), and at the same time say immorality is condoned?

In fact is this not proof that Jehovah's Witnesses are different and have God's spirit and backing. You can be sure that your brothers and sisters in the congregation love Jehovah. And if they unrepentantly sin, which can happen, they will be removed from the congregation. This is not like the Churches of Christendom where all forms of immorality is condoned and even promoted.

And it should not surprise anyone if this happens. It happened in Jehovah's family when Satan and his demons sinned and were expelled from his family. It happened when Judas, an apostle of Jesus betrayed our master. It happened in the congregations Jesus reprimand in Revelation 2, 3. In 1 Corinthians sexual immorality was reported in the congregation that not even people of the nations were doing. They were told to expel the persons involved.

The truth is, if there are people who are immoral in the Christian congregation, they will be dealt with. In fact a recent Watchtower dealt with this very subject:

Love and Justice in the Christian Congregation

Love and Justice in the Face of Wickedness

Providing Comfort for Victims of Abuse

To the public observing. who are interested in the truth of the matter I do recommend the reading of this information. It will dispel any notion of the lies being spread in every single one of my threads, and will NO DOUBT continue. Perhaps I can reference back to this post answering the slander.

From the second article above linked:

Sadly, child sexual abuse is a worldwide plague, and true Christians have been affected by this plague. Why? “Wicked men and impostors” abound, and some may try to enter the congregation. (2 Tim. 3:13) In addition, some professing to be a part of the congregation have succumbed to perverted fleshly desires and have sexually abused children.

Over the years, Jehovah’s organization has provided an abundance of Scriptural information on the subject of child abuse. For example, articles in The Watchtower and Awake! have discussed how those who have been sexually abused can deal with emotional scars, how others can help and encourage them, and how parents can protect their children. Elders have received detailed Scriptural training on how to handle the sin of child abuse. The organization continues to review the way congregations handle the sin of child abuse. Why? To make sure that our way of handling the matter is in harmony with the law of the Christ.

As Jehovah’s Witnesses, we view child sexual abuse as a gross sin and a wicked deed. Governed by the law of the Christ, our congregations do not shield perpetrators of abuse from the consequences of their sins.

Anyone in the congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses who unrepentantly abuses a child is disfellowshipped from the Christian congregation. Also, a record of their deed is sent to the headquarters of Jehovah's Witnesses and kept on record. If they show a repentant spirit and are allowed back into the congregation, they are never allowed to serve in a capacity of authority. And parents of children are warned by the elders to be careful around said individual.

A beautiful video outlining the truth about child sex abuse among Jehovah's Witnesses by a member of the governing body:

We Protect Our Chidlren

Jehovah’s Witnesses Educate Parents and Children to Protect Against Sexual Predators

Protect Your Children

originally posted by: EdgeofParadise
a reply to: Caroline13456

Another off-topic response.

You responded to nothing in the OP. As several others in this thread.

As well as many in my other threads. I have seen no discussion about the topics, but rather off-topic obfuscation and links to sites that spread out-right lies and false and misleading propaganda.

Yet nothing in the OP is discussed from you, Raggyman, et al, who have come into every thread of mine and went off-topic and never once gave anything beneficial.

I decided to respond to you, in a spirit of mildness to address this.

In most other threads on this website off-topic posts would be removed. But not in my case. And perhaps there is a reason for that. That to will become manifest.

I will continue to show a spirit of mildness and patience. The truth always wins in the end. So there is nothing to fear. And everyone gets what is coming to them. You reap what you sow.

The one who reaps according to the flesh will sow corruption and death. He who sows with a view to the spirit will receive life from it.

I could go into further detail how false and slanderous your accusations are (plural). But see no need to take the time to do so.

I will point out one thing that totally derails the lies and trickery employed.

The same people that say Jehovah's Witnesses break up families are the ones doing the breaking up. The ones who name-call and insult are the ones spreading lies.

They say Jehovah's Witnesses disfellowship unrepentant sinners and in the same breath say they condone what the Bible condemns.

You can already see how you contradict yoursleves. And that is what makes God's people stand out among the nations. They are imperfect people, without a doubt. But they strive to live by the Bible's moral code. We all stumble many times says the Bible. No one is perfect.

But if one persists in immoral conduct the Bible condemns they are expelled from the Christian congregation, thus keeping it clean and holy. This is not like any other organization you can just mess with. You cannot come to the living God and live an immoral life and think you can get away with it. And you certainly cannot go against God's people and not expect to receive a curse for the trouble.

Take the lesson of Balaam. While trying to curse Jehovah's people he could only bless them. And in the end he was put to death along with Balak and the rest of the nation that enticed Jehovah's people to sin....

"They are accursed children. 15 Abandoning the straight path, they have been led astray. They have followed the path of Baʹlaam the son of Beʹor, who loved the reward of wrongdoing, 16 but was reproved for his own violation of what was right. A voiceless beast of burden speaking with a human voice hindered the prophet’s mad course." - 2 Peter 2:14-16.

As I do not know you and am not aware if you are purposefully spreading lies, or have only been mislead and are continuing the slander, I make no judgement. God knows. And he is the judge. Nothing is concealed from him. And everything is brought to the light. And everyone will be judged according to their own deeds.

If a person in the Christian congregation is disfellowshipped for committing such an act that would have been be removed from the congregation, how, in one breadth do you slyly condemn it, and at the same time say immorality is condoned?

In fact is this not proof that Jehovah's Witnesses are different and have God's spirit and backing. You can be sure that your brothers and sisters in the congregation love Jehovah. And if they unrepentant sin, which can happen, they are removed from the congregation.

And it should not surprise anyone if this happens. It happened in Jehovah's family when Satan and his demons sinned and were expelled from his family. It happened in Judas, an apostle of Jesus betrayed him. It happened in the congregations Jesus reprimand in Revelation 2, 3.

The truth is, if there are people who are immoral in the Christian congregation, they will be dealt with. In fact a recent Watchtower dealt with this very subject:

Love and Justice in the Christian Congregation

Love and Justice in the Face of Wickedness

Providing Comfort for Victims of Abuse

To the public observing. who are interested in the truth of the matter I do recommend the reading of this information. It will dispel any notion of the lies being spread.

Respond to me edge, please
I had a close friend who was sexually abused

Your cult doesn’t hold people accountable, your church hides these criminals from the civil law. The bible teaches civil law must be obeyed
You staying in that cult is actively supporting these crimes

You disgust me

Answer why, how, answer my questions re you endorsing these criminals.
Why won’t you stand up to these criminals

Your god wants this?
Allows this?
Endorses this?
Criminals

Answer me, please

nevermind

a reply to: Raggedyman

You are wrong in your harassment of me and your judgement of me. I have not harassed you or judged you or condemned you, or reviled you. All which you have done. And I forgive you. It's what Jesus would have done. I don't know if you believe in Jesus or not. But if you do, how do you think he would behave. Is it how you have been treating me?

You have already been answered. If you are sincere please take the time to read it. I have ignored your continued harassment and mistreatment of me. This is the first time I have acknowledged you. One must be slow to speak, and slow to wrath. And mild in responding.

I request you to please research the above provided information along with my response, which I willingly have given. It should be sufficient.

Jehovah's Witnesses DO NOT shield people from their crimes. In fact many criminals have reformed and become Christian with the help of God and his spit-guided organization.

Even David, when he sinned was forgiven, but had to suffer the consequences. Anyone can sin at any time. Scripture says to him that is standing beware that he does not fall.

It also reveals that Jehovah has powerful angels, the seraphim, who help handle judicial cases among Jehovah's Witnesses. Jesus is the leader of the Christian congregation, and he will not allow it to be corrupted as are the churches of Christendom.

Disfellowshipping is an act of love. While people condemn Jehovah's Witnesses for disfellowshipping unrepentant sinners, it shows they do not condone what Jehovah hates. It is not the righteous man that is breaking apart the family. It is the sinner who brings reproach, on God's name, and his people. His sins have far-reaching consequences, and can even stumble others.


I am not here to fight with anyone. And I respect and even share empathy with you and love you. That spirit should come across in all of my threads and posts.

a reply to: Sheye

Possibly Sheye and if there were I would contact the police, I would tell the media, I would offer support for the victims and I would leave the community instantly

In JW church, nobody is allowed to speak out or they are shunned by the whole church, even their family. Nobody can go to the police or are kicked out.
It’s a cult Sheye, it destroys lives

You are coming across as a stalking bully Sheye, understand?

I am asking a simple question Sheye, response to the op of the authors

If the JW church is of God, why does it harbour pedophiles, why doesn’t it follow the bible and subject itself to civil law

Do you care to answer, do you support pedophiles, do you think they are doing the right thing?

If you think I am wrong, don’t moan at me, explain why?
Simple

a reply to: Raggedyman

If you actually took the time to research the information provided it would have already answered your accusation:

Do elders comply with secular laws about reporting an allegation of child abuse to the secular authorities? Yes. In places where such laws exist, elders endeavor to comply with secular laws about reporting allegations of abuse. (Rom. 13:1) Such laws do not conflict with God’s law. (Acts 5:28, 29) So when they learn of an allegation, elders immediately seek direction on how they can comply with laws about reporting it. 14 Elders assure victims and their parents and others with knowledge of the matter that they are free to report an allegation of abuse to the secular authorities. But what if the report is about someone who is a part of the congregation and the matter then becomes known in the community? Should the Christian who reported it feel that he has brought reproach on God’s name? No. The abuser is the one who brings reproach on God’s name.

a reply to: Raggedyman

We Protect Our Children

Video - Discussion of the policy of Jehovah's Witnesses of child abuse by a member of the Governing Body.

I will add this to my signature and will refer you to it every single time you continue to harass me with your mistreatment.

a reply to: EdgeofParadise

Edge, you talk kingly laws
Yet support a church that harbours pedophiles

I asked, how can YOU be part of an organisation that harbours pedophiles, why do you support it

jwvictims.org...

www.atheistgeeknews.com...

You are in a cult being lied to

I suggest you research outside of the watchtower doctrine and don’t point me to it, I don’t trust watchtower doctrine
I am not JW so why would I visit your propaganda site

Stop the lies

Just so you know Edge, I won’t stop, I will hold you, your church accountable, even on the streets I will call you all out

originally posted by: EdgeofParadise
a reply to: Raggedyman

We Protect Our Children

Video - Discussion of the policy of Jehovah's Witnesses of child abuse by a member of the Governing Body.

I will add this to my signature and will refer you to it every single time you continue to harass me with your mistreatment.

That’s a lie, JW propaganda
newspunch.com...

The truth is everywhere, you listen to lies from within

thepedogate.com...

verdadtj.com...

a reply to: Raggedyman

There is a reason you are NOT responding to any of the correct information given you. I will one more time give you a simple video dispelling the lies you continue to spread. If you continue to ignore it I will assume you really are not concerned with the truth. And see no further reason to acknowledge you.

We Protect Our Children
Videos

Video - Discussion of the policy of Jehovah's Witnesses of child abuse by a member of the Governing Body.

I will add this to my signature and will refer you to it every single time you continue to harass me with your mistreatment.


Every time you harass me in my threads I recommend you to check out the video in my signature that addresses your lies.

a reply to: Raggedyman

You say I’m coming across as a stalking bully ?



I’m only defending edge.. he or she seems to have a very pure, loving vibe about them. I honestly would aspire to be more like them in demeanour , yet here you are hammering on him/her for the sins of others.

I should add that video from a Jehovah's Witness broadcast I gave you is from a monthly broadcast that is translated into over 145 languages and is downloaded or streamed the month it comes out over 8 million times and has been viewed in over 230 countries. Not to mention the Watchtower articles that deal with the same issues printed in over 400 languages and which have over a reach of more than 100 million.

Oh, the truth is being spread in a mighty way.

The entire fascade of your lies all falls flat Raggedy man. It's all utter lies. And you should know one thing that Jehovah does not like, and it is a slanderous liar:

(Proverbs 6:16-19) . . .There are six things that Jehovah hates; Yes, seven things that he detests: 17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 A heart plotting wicked schemes, and feet that run quickly to evil, 19 A false witness who lies with every breath, And anyone sowing contentions among brothers.


And in another place we are told that liars are on the outside with the practicers of spiritism and sexual immoralilty, the very thing you wish to lie about:

(Revelation 22:15) . . .Outside are the dogs and those who practice spiritism and those who are sexually immoral and the murderers and the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices lying.’

originally posted by: EdgeofParadise
I should add that video from a Jehovah's Witness broadcast I gave you is from a monthly broadcast that is translated into over 145 languages and is downloaded or streamed the month it comes out over 8 million times and has been viewed in over 230 countries. Not to mention the Watchtower articles that deal with the same issues printed in over 400 languages and which have over a reach of more than 100 million.

Oh, the truth is being spread in a mighty way.

The entire fascade of your lies all falls flat Raggedy man. It's all utter lies. And you should know one thing that Jehovah does not like, and it is a slanderous liar:

(Proverbs 6:16-19) . . .There are six things that Jehovah hates; Yes, seven things that he detests: 17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 A heart plotting wicked schemes, and feet that run quickly to evil, 19 A false witness who lies with every breath, And anyone sowing contentions among brothers.


And in another place we are told that liars are on the outside with the practicers of spiritism and sexual immoralilty, the very thing you wish to lie about:

(Revelation 22:15) . . .Outside are the dogs and those who practice spiritism and those who are sexually immoral and the murderers and the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices lying.’

So this lady is a liar

“Watchtower initially received a judgement of $USD28 million, the highest ever awarded against a religion for a single child abuse claim. $7 million damages was split between Kendrick, Watchtower and the congregation, and a further $21 million punitive damages directed at Watchtower. The $7 million was split in the following proportions.

Kendrick 60% $4,200,000
Watchtower 27% $1,890,000
Congregation 13% $910,000”
verdadtj.com...

What bothers me most, on a personal level. There are other children at risk because you deny it’s even possible
You believe your leaders are above question, your magazines and teachings are God inspired and no one is accountable
That you won’t even consider there could be an issue
Frightening

Anyway, preach away
Maybe the pressure people on the outside put on you, your cult will protect a child, maybe even just one

originally posted by: Sheye
a reply to: Raggedyman

You say I’m coming across as a stalking bully ?

I’m only defending edge.. he or she seems to have a very pure, loving vibe about them. I honestly would aspire to be more like them in demeanour , yet here you are hammering on him/her for the sins of others.

Come on girl
Answer my questions

Do you care to answer, do you support pedophiles, do you think this organisation is doing the right thing by not giving the details of pedophiles in that organisation to the civil authorities

If you think I am wrong, don’t moan at me, explain why?
Simple

a reply to: Raggedyman

I’m not sure you’re correct in your accusations, so I won’t comment. Because of that I also will not respond to your negative, accusatory posts.

originally posted by: Sheye
a reply to: Raggedyman

I’m not sure you’re correct in your accusations, so I won’t comment. Because of that I also will not respond to your negative, accusatory posts.

Well that comes as no big surprise Sheye, you are not sure all those media outlets, all those victims, all those criminal reports, all those charges and fines and links I have offered are real? Really?
Not sure all the links I have offered are real, not sure that the religious cult is telling the truth though they have been convicted of many crimes in relation to abusing children
That JW org has stated they don’t turn in pedophiles and they are still on the church

Not sure, really?

I think you are lazy, ignorant and subject to believing whatever you are told by anyone with a sweet or sob story

Do something that a Jehovah witness is not allowed to do because their org won’t let them.
Go study the truth for yourself, don’t believe me or anyone, do your own research

Of course you won’t
You would prefer to just complain

a reply to: Raggedyman

You would prefer to just complain

Me thinks that is your thing along with judging. Have at it Raggedyman, call me ignorant, lazy, every name in the book. Your opinion of me or any other member here does not matter in the slightest. You are a mean ,spiteful Christian and I’m happy to have seen your true colours.

originally posted by: Sheye
a reply to: Raggedyman

You would prefer to just complain

Me thinks that is your thing along with judging. Have at it Raggedyman, call me ignorant, lazy, every name in the book. Your opinion of me or any other member here does not matter in the slightest. You are a mean ,spiteful Christian and I’m happy to have seen your true colours.

Prove me wrong sweety, go research, show me you can do more than complain about me. Stop replying, educate yourself and then prove me wrong if I am the fool

Called you lazy, you won’t research the truth, you are ignorant, you admitted to both

If I don’t matter, then stop replying

your version

"But the wisdom from above is first of all pure, then peaceable, reasonable, ready to obey, full of mercy and good fruits, impartial, not hypocritical. Moreover, the fruit of righteousness is sown in peaceful conditions for those who are making peace."-James 3:17, 18.

my version

James 3:17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. 18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.

the version you are reading does not mean the same as my preserved word of God does. Meditate once more on the version I read from the Authorized version. They added "Moreover" to verse 18, The fruit of righteousness sown in peace is speaking of your soul not peaceful circumstances. I have and show the fruit of righteousness when my condition is not peaceful more than when it is. Peace is a fruit of the Spirit so compare the Verse in the AV to the verse you quoted and see that our condition does not affect the Righteousness imputed us by Jesus. The fruit of righteousness manifests itself in peace even when our condition and circumstances are not peaceful.

Ro 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.