Kurds in World War II

I'm not a history buff, so if anyone can expand on this feel free to add. That said, he is what I remember.

The Kurds comprised a significant part of the Iraq Levies that sought to overthrow the pro-Nazi regime there. They were later absorbed by the RAF and deployed to Albania, Italy, and Greece.

There was also a large number of Kurds in the Red Army, including a number of very highly decorated soldiers.

Then there was the Soviet backed Kurdish Republic of Mahabad in Iran. While the Republic only officially existed in 1946, they held territory in northern Iran starting in 1941.

The Kurds definitely supported the Allies throughout WWII and distinguished themselves in a number of theatres. Anyone that tries to assert anything else is clearly ignorant of history.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

I'll just leave this here.

www.dailykos.com...

Abandoning an ally is a new low.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Imagine Trump instead of Roosevelt in WW2. Germany would have won the war.

a reply to: grey580

Fine then don't abandom them. But if you don't, don't half ass it, support them for the win. The Middle East needs a clear and decisive victor. These groups refuse to get along, and will never accept any borders. The only solution is to either let them fight it out or choose an outcome, take it ALL the way and enforce it with an Iron Fist. Turn the Middle East into the U.S.K. United States of Kurdistan. And build up their military might to the point they can enforce their hold without us.

Anything less and we'll be there forever, why, because anything less and they will never stop killing the Kurds, and well be stuck there forever out of loyalty.

a reply to: watchitburn

Wasn't FDR pretty much the most socialist President we've ever had? Seems like the "Leftist snowflake" did a pretty good job taking the down the far Right.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

the Kurds at least to me have a legitimate claim for the land they want to have. it was given to them after world war I and it is said that they have been there as far back as Sumer.

the land was given to them after WWI and when the treaty failed, the new treaty the land was taken back and the kurds came under the jurisdictions of the new boundaries.

what should be done

the Kurds and the Palestinians should switch places


(no one likes the Palestinians in the Arab world)

that way Turkey can take out Arabs the arabs don't like.

originally posted by: oloufo
a reply to: watchitburn

Imagine Trump as a soldier in these days. "Oh i cant take part because of my bone spurs."

That is true however that could be said for others candidates. Bernie said he was never going to serve in Vietnam and would have went to Canada. Could you imagine him being Commander in Chief, especially if the draft needed to be used again. Highly unlikely but it is still possible with military enrollment way down and a major conflict broke out.

Biden got deferments for asthma. He was a stellar athlete but suddenly is stricken with a mean case of asthma. Beyond laughable IMO considering there is no evidence of these attacks manifesting in his long career. Hunter got kicked out of the Navy for drugs and he is suppose to be helping his Dad campaign and would be involved in some capacity if Biden was elected. Horrible message to our military although his other son did serve honorably.

a reply to: gallop

Be a part of the problem, or let it sort itself out? How much is enough?

Even if we pull all of our troops out however, we're still part of the problem.

How many of the weapons that Turkey is now using to kill civilians were sold to them by the US government? The same can be asked about Israel. Or Saudi Arabia.

At this point the US is complicit in pretty much any conflict that occurs over there. Pulling out our troops doesn't change that fact.

a reply to: Puppylove

Huh?

That sounds more like a tantrum than a solution.

The destabilising started with weapons of mass destruction many moons ago, when the US and coalition began to pull out the power vacuum was filled by Jihadists, some of which had a huge influence in the power structure of Iraq. They infiltrated the government and military.

Fast forward to Syria and the coalition intervention made it impossible for Syria to maintain it's own borders and territory. It's tricky defending 5 borders when you're busy defending your streets with technology older than your troops. Not to mention the occasional attack on the government of Syria by Western forces or Israel. We did good having Russia look like the good guy though.

So yeah, the Kurds are in it for themselves. Unfortunately for them they're always caught up in the crossfire and have developed the knack for defending themselves aggressively. It's a skill typically honed when you try to inhabit the land your grandparents did but tend to be treated like a second class citizen or worse.

Personally though I find it sickening that the Kurds have been abandoned to Turkey. Seems "No fly" zones and humanitarian corridors apply when deemed fit, seems that the rights and humanitarian needs of the likes of ISIS fighters are more important than allies.

Maybe in future stay at home?

a reply to: Xcalibur254

When do you start to stop, then?

Surely you agree it has to stop? I've been saying it a long time, in a futile war, get our men and women out. You cannot stamp out the ideology. You can't help your friend who will be your enemy and then your friend again.

I really don't know the answer. But I sure as hell don't want to continue to be an implicit part of the problem.

It is unwinnable.

a reply to: gallop

It's not really all that hard to understand.
The people in this conflict hate each other at the subatomic level.
They will never coexist peacefully.

I do find it disturbing that every politician has a staunch opinion of the Kurds that they can easily explain in a minute or so.

The Kurds have been around a mighty long time and they are all over the region, not just in Turkey and Syria. In Turkey, they have been in conflict with the Turkish government for over a century. It's basically a never ending civil war. But somehow US being there is going to resolve it swiftly....meh.

That situation is never going to go away. Much like Israel and the Palestinians. We tried solving that for a half century and failed. There is no fixing it or this Kurd situation.

If someone got in the middle of the US civil war would that have ended it. No, it would have made it worse. One side would now hate two factions not one. It would create a never ending cycle of hatred and retribution. That's why I say stay out of it and let them sort it out. It's really the only way. Either they make peace or they don't. Peace won't be forced on them by anyone.