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Originally posted by HukdUnFonixWerks
I'm sure it has been used, especially by people on this board, mathematics.
It is strange how our world, how our universe can be based upon numbers and equations that were not originally just given to us in the instruction manual of our world, they were discovered by us.
Math is it's own language, one that is the same in all countries. Everything, I believe, is a math equation. It is hard to explain.
Originally posted by IAF101
Life one big equation
The thing is, almost everything in the universe is governed by fixed set of laws except free-will, I mean their is no way, even with chaos mathematics, that you can predict exactly what an intelligent being may do. That falls in the murky realm of psychology( it should be an art instead of a science) which is still so primitive that it can only classify the type of activity but cannot control it or determine the exact cause of occurrence.[blame it on the brains biochemistry the psychologists say!]
What I'm trying to say is that life is were like a probability wave we could actually predict the future with certain degree of accuracy.
Anybody who can derive or even postulate an equation for the way our mind will work wrt time will surely be the most brilliant person that ever lived in the world.
I actually thought about how an equation such as this would be possible in my undergrad days (inspired by psycho-history in Asimov novels) , the most difficult thing to factor into this is the human mind, if we were vulcans and a completely logical race then the chance of deriving and equation would be possible but the sad part is that we are unpredictable! We can predict our environment and our physical bodies to a certain degree but our mind is impossible to predict!
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Originally posted by ufo3
Theoretically, if we knew everything about a particular brain like the position of every neuron, the velocity of each electrical impulse, the exact chemical balance etc etc we could calculate (not with present day computers) what the person will have going on in their brain right up until they die. Of course this is factoring out external forces which could change everything. Even so i dont know if it will ever be possible to translate what those calculations mean with regards to all the human emotions, how can u even begin to do that?
Originally posted by ChemicalLaser
Originally posted by ufo3
Theoretically, if we knew everything about a particular brain like the position of every neuron, the velocity of each electrical impulse, the exact chemical balance etc etc we could calculate (not with present day computers) what the person will have going on in their brain right up until they die. Of course this is factoring out external forces which could change everything. Even so i dont know if it will ever be possible to translate what those calculations mean with regards to all the human emotions, how can u even begin to do that?
Godel's Incompleteness theorem implies otherwise. There are numerous discussions/explanations of this brilliant theory online, but for the present purposes I recommend:
www.miskatonic.org...
Specifically, as quoted in the linked page, Jones & Wilson write in An Incomplete Education that "Gödel's Theorem has been used to argue that a computer can never be as smart as a human being because the extent of its knowledge is limited by a fixed set of axioms, whereas people can discover unexpected truths"
The first time I read about Godel, it blew my mind. In principle, all of science may be mistaken because we cannot prove that the foundation upon which all of chemistry and physics is based, namely the axiomatic language of mathematics, is self-consistent and true.
The great link posted by sisonek reminded me of the shock and revulsion I experienced the first time I was exposed to the use of imaginary numbers in physics. How could something so ridiculous as an imaginary number be used to describe that which we know to be real and observable. It wasn't until I took theoretical chemistry and other advanced quantum mechanics courses where I attempted to ignore the little "i's" in the equations that I discovered for myself the mathematical necessity of the square root of -1. The wave equation and quantum mechanics simply cannot reproduce observed behavior without resorting to this seemingly nonsensical mathematical "trick".
Originally posted by ufo3
I know what u are saying but if we do not use these rules we have created for mathematics and all things associated with them then how can we make sense of our reality? Maybe in the distant future our brains will change and we will understand things in more than 1 plane but until then maths is indispensable to our civilsation.
Originally posted by sisonek
"would you feel safe flying in an airplane if you knew that the equations demonstrating its flightworthiness required use of lebesgue integration to solve?"