Let's Make Things Clear

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: ketsuko

Please cite the part of the Constitution that requires that Articles of Impeachment preceed an investigation into whether Articles of Impeachment are necessary.

it is not the constituion
it is the rules of the house
otherwise the speaker of the house solely wields impeachment power and not congress or the house for that matter

I would point to the 3 resolutions the dems tabled this session by Rep Green as precedent.

a reply to: proximo

I can't disagree with an opinion, but that's what it is. As are most of the comments regarding the issue.

The House has complete authority to act as it has acted. The President, in this case, does not.

My opinion, by obstructing a legitimate exercise of Constitutional power on the part of the Congress, he's only providing more grist for the impeachment mill.

originally posted by: scolai
a reply to: Oraculi

I love these “everyone is ignorant except me” threads.

Second line. That’s all I have to say.

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

That's all I have to say.

a reply to: shooterbrody

Are you certain that "the rules of the House" make the requirement you're claiming?

If so, could you provide those rules with a citation?

Thank you kindly.

a reply to: Oraculi

Why have you avoided my response to you?

a reply to: Gryphon66

Don't mistake Nancy and Adam for The House. When THE HOUSE takes a vote and makes legal and precedented moves, the rules will change. As it stands now, we merely have a few, mostly West Coast agitators, acting like they are more than what they are. We all know what they are.

originally posted by: operation mindcrime
a reply to: shooterbrody

Thanks for the info..I'll try and follow your info.

Peace

I am no expert; and honestly the way this is being handled we are in unprecedented territory.
Both of the other modern impeachment events started with a house vote to begin the process and define the rules.
A sitting congressman this session has attempted that process 3 times.
Where they go from here I do not know.
I would wager if the dems continue it will be adjudicated by the supreme court, as there are separation of powers issues at stake.

a reply to: Gryphon66

can you prove your assumation?

that Just because the "house is run by Democrats it's not valid"

I don't recall seeing that argument, who made it??

Please link to it, I had not read that.

I have read the Democrats are not following precedent, they don't have too you are correct

Neither does President Trump.

precedent in Government is like the laws for us the little people

you don't have to follow them, but then nor does your opponent.

Or do laws and Precedents only appy to Republicans, like the opposite of what you said.. Hmmmmm

a reply to: queenofswords

The Constitution does not require that Articles be presented by the House before they exercise their investigative power.

I'm ignoring your strawman because I haven't mentioned Ms. Pelosi or Mr. Schiff.

Your characterization that these investigations are merely actions by "west cost agitators" is absurd in my opinion given the facts.

a reply to: Gryphon66

I literally just did cite them on page 2 directly from the .gov website...then responded to you pointing back to that citation. Was there a discrepancy with my citation of the HoR .gov website?

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: ketsuko

Please cite the part of the Constitution that requires that Articles of Impeachment preceed an investigation into whether Articles of Impeachment are necessary.

Investigation begins in Committee, and that takes a vote. There has been no vote of the Judiciary Committee *or* the Intel Committee to open such investigation.

And Nancy Pelosi declaring an impeachment inquiry does not make it so.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: shooterbrody

Are you certain that "the rules of the House" make the requirement you're claiming?

If so, could you provide those rules with a citation?

Thank you kindly.

I will kindly site the 3 resolutions for impeachment Congressman Green has put forth this session.
Otherwise why would he have acted in that manor if it were not following the house rules?

www.cnn.com...

The House on Wednesday easily defeated an effort from a Texas Democrat to impeach President Donald Trump in a vote that highlighted the Democratic fissures when it comes to impeachment. Rep. Al Green was able to force the vote under House rules — the first that Congress has taken related to impeachment since Democrats took control of the chamber this year — in what amounted to the most direct challenge yet to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's handling of impeachment.

There is procedure and house rules for such.
As he got a vote it appears Congressman Green followed such.

Why is Pelosi afforded different rules?

a reply to: Oraculi

Sorry, your extrapolation of that law is insane and FAR FAR reaching into an area of nonsensical hubris that I have hoped I would never see.

Your entire team is now screaming that the sky is not blue. That crow tastes exactly like beef. That the triangle should be the perfect shape for a wheel.

Sorry, no sense in even communicating with you. Further more, your lack of comprehension of things is a really big reason why this may someday escalate into violence. And if it does, I hope you are happy with yourself and your actions.

a reply to: thedigirati

Quote me if you want me to respond.

President Trump has never followed "precedent" in his Administration thus far, and many here have applauded him for it. The fact that many now do not appreciate a simple deviation from tradition makes the partisan nature of most of these posts quite clear.

The Executive Branch is required by law to submit to Congressional investigations in matters of oversight and particularly the impeachment power.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Investigated by the House Judiciary Committee since its inception. Why is the House Intel Committee trying to change that now?

a reply to: shooterbrody

Resolutions put forward are not "rules of the House."

Can you cite the "rules of the House" that you claimed above?

In this thread when someone makes a rebuttal I cant disprove its just ignored...

a reply to: RickyD

Honestly, your post doesn't make any sense. You seem to be categorizing all investigations into the Executive Branch and Mr. Trump as part of the impeachment process? That's just not factual.

The House "Intel Committee" has the powers assigned. Are you saying they don't have investigative powers?

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: shooterbrody

Resolutions put forward are not "rules of the House."

Can you cite the "rules of the House" that you claimed above?

whatever you say.....
why would we expect any other process this session than the one followed by congressman Green?

The House impeachment process generally proceeds in three phases: (1) initiation of the impeachment process; (2) Judiciary Committee investigation, hearings, and markup of articles of impeachment; and (3) full House consideration of the articles of impeachment.

Source

a reply to: Gryphon66