The American Civil War of 2005 as predicted by John Titor

Originally posted by imitator

Originally posted by MorningStar8741
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I am quite impressed at your ability to copy and paste without even understanding what you just posted. It is pretty clear what you are missing. I will give you a hint.

yeah....I will give you a little time to see if that helps any. Thanks for not only proving me right, but completely illustrating it.

Oh MorningStar8741 your such a tease, how could I copy and paste my own words lol......

I'm sure your just buying time because you just don't know what to think. You should think why you are asking me a question...hint.... it's a simple answer as well.

It is very simple. What time am I buying? Am I on a deadline to prove something to you? The answer is simple. I am not sure what answer you hope I will give you. I do not see what you are even asking me. I can answer my own questions just fine but you do will not like the answer. I am sorry that you are so deluded by your fundamental missunderstanding that you cannot grasp the paradox that John himself presents as well as you in your own piss-poor regurgitation. Seriously, look at what you have presented a few times and see if you cannot grasp what is so fundamentally wrong with it. I will give you a little time. The answer is simple, like my hint?

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Grow up, get lost, do something else. You postings have nothing to do with the topic at hand OF WHICH I reposted the original post just in case you were to busy to read it.


Now get a life dog. Stop trying to start conflict for the mere enjoyment of being involved with conflict. Your a jerk, a cur. a disreputable low person, get off this thread or get on topic! Stop disrupting those of us wishing to stick to the OPs post.

STAR for titorite

MorningStar8741
Fine, how about you use Titor's own words,

Check mark... I've done that

MorningStar8741
then tell me how he is going to "retrieve" anything for anyone.

Check mark... I've done that

MorningStar8741
I will give you a little time. The answer is simple, like my hint?

Sorry I don't play games, I won't be holding my breath.

Your welcome to post your paradox anytime.

according to the future maps (google that) the british isles are soon going to be under the water...do anyone knows where exactly the "uk survival team" plans to go?

i would also appreciate the advice on how to change the password here.

reply by U2U svp, or directly to [email protected] , as i occasionally have troubles with navigating various web sites.

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according to the future maps (google that) the british isles are soon going to be under the water...do anyone knows where exactly the "uk survival team" plans to go?

i would also appreciate the advice on how to change the password here.

reply by U2U svp, or directly to [email protected] , as i occasionally have troubles with navigating various web sites.

Originally posted by MorningStar8741
...Pay for the journal ya freeloader. Sorry, guess I did not think about it since I already subscribe, it was pretty easy to find. I think you better read the terms and conditions both there and here before asking me to repost copyrighted material here that I have no permission to but I will be happy to go find a free one. ...

Oh, no, no no! You do not get off that easily. You do not have to post the ENTIRE journal. Export the page to a .pdf file, if you have that ability, and post it to another site, with the link here. OR, you can just post the applicable passage here. You see, despite your protestation, copyright law MOST CERTAINLY DOES ALLOW FOR EITHER OF THESE USES. Posting an excerpt from a scientific journal absolutely falls under "fair use".

Originally posted by MorningStar8741
...Now when are you ever going to provide ANYTHING that backs up this little fairy tale? ...

Right now.

Here are a few quotes, in no particular order, that should raise your eyebrows just a bit. (italics are mine) Remember, THESE REMARKS WERE SAID IN JANUARY AND FEBRUARY OF 2001.


1) ... Yes there were biological and chemical weapons used. No mind control weapons but there are new "non-lethal" weapon systems that turn out to be quite lethal. Sometimes I watch your television programs that show SWAT teams using new non-lethal weapons. They usually start out with, "In the future, the army and police will fight its enemies with new weapons systems…" When they use the word "enemy", they're talking about YOU! You don't really think the Marines are going to jump out of helicopters overseas with sticky goop, pepper spray and seizure lights, do you?
2) ... Real disruptions in world events begin with the destabilization of the West as a result of degrading US foreign policy and consistency. This becomes apparent around 2004 as civil unrest develops near the next presidential election.
3) ... I'm glad to see it's so easy for to dismiss the Middle East. Yes, I suppose it is a no brainer but pretty soon it will be a "no arrmer" and a "no legger".
4) ... I believe they are pretty close to putting a man in orbit. It shouldn't surprise you if they do that soon. (Note: said about the Chinese in 2001)
5) (Q) Does the civil war start in such a way that those willing will have time to remove themselves to safer locations. (A) Yes. You will be forced to ask yourself how many civil rights you will give up to feel safe.
6) (Q) Will you readily be able to identify the enemy? (A) They will be the ones arresting and holding people without due process.
7) ...They were set in motion ten, twenty, even thirty years ago. Are you really surprised to find out that Iraq has nukes now or is that just BS to whip everyone up into accepting the next war?
8) ...However, if I had an opportunity to talk to a time traveler, I might ask questions like: How exactly does the singularity sensor measure the expansion of the inner event horizon or why does the reality of multiple worlds support the religious dogma that there are no good or bad people just good and bad desicions or what were the political motivations that changed the U.S. Constitution?


And here's one that is making more and more sense every day "The year 2008 was a general date by which time everyone will realize the world they thought they were living in was over."

Originally posted by imitator
Civil War or WWIII would be a major spacetime event that could vibrate throughout the multiverse in varying degrees. The 1st Civil War was fought over freedom, and again the 2nd will be over freedom. 'Ridiculous' to think program doesn't violate Posse Comitatus, As you can see we are the enemy, it is at our doorstep, America is divided about our freedom. That last doorstep is here, you should know the door is wide open, when it walks in the bottom will fall out from accumulation of events. Russia Warns Georgia against Support for US War on in Iran

John Titor: The conflict was not about taking and holding ground it was about order and rights. They were betting that people wanted security instead of freedom and they were wrong.

....You didn't answer my question....

Originally posted by utrex
You can't even carbon date a polaroid picture. It only works on organic materials, not manufactured ones.

Polaroid film contains organic (carbon containing) molecules. One could carbon date polaroid film (or any object containing carbon) by measuring the amount of a particular carbon isotope in the film and comparing that amount to the amount of carbon isotope in brand new polaroid film.

As another poster pointed out, it would be difficult to carbon date a film made this century, that was then taken back two millenia, then brought back to this century.

Originally posted by titorite
reply to post by MorningStar8741

 

Grow up, get lost, do something else. You postings have nothing to do with the topic at hand OF WHICH I reposted the original post just in case you were to busy to read it.


Now get a life dog. Stop trying to start conflict for the mere enjoyment of being involved with conflict. Your a jerk, a cur. a disreputable low person, get off this thread or get on topic! Stop disrupting those of us wishing to stick to the OPs post.

I am sorry, am I supposed to keep my posts to things in support of this dellusion? I am sorry that is so frustrating to not even understand the very science that holds this little haox together but I can tell by your empty, meaningless little rant that it is really bothering you. If you do not like what I post, do not respond to it. I guess I would be upset too though if I were you, believing something so obviously wrong in so many ways and not once being able to answer for it, back it up, or explain it. But thanks for filling an entire post with nothing but personal attacks to demonstrate how off topic I am for talking about John Titor.

Originally posted by sir_chancealot


Oh, no, no no! You do not get off that easily. You do not have to post the ENTIRE journal. Export the page to a .pdf file, if you have that ability, and post it to another site, with the link here. OR, you can just post the applicable passage here. You see, despite your protestation, copyright law MOST CERTAINLY DOES ALLOW FOR EITHER OF THESE USES. Posting an excerpt from a scientific journal absolutely falls under "fair use".

Yeah, you are right, I should not get off so easily. How about this. There was a list that I believe began with "Show me the links that..."

Well I showed you two. You do not like the second one but have completely failed to acknowledge the first one. Interesting. How about one for one, why should I sit here reading more crap I already read when you apparently are not willing to do any research. How about you admit or dismiss both and then I will think about running around like a monkey for you. I do believe that what I stated was that it was pointless anyway but I posted those two because they were so readily available. If you really want to hang your hat on that, you will either be sorry, or just blow it off with some lame "other worldline" excuse anyway right? Keep pretending I only provided you with one link.

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Civil war! this thread is about Civil war as mentioned by the OP and john titor.

Stop distracting the point.

I know you do not like what you can not comprehend but that does not mean you have to give in to your ignorance and behave like uncivil. Grow up man. Act like an adult and stop arguing about things you have no true love of.. just get off distracting points of this subject already. It is obvious you are only here to annoy and distract so go lick the hand that feeds you and do something more productive!




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Cue Standard Mod Speech

Hi People,

There are numerous uncalled for personal attacks in a number of these recent replies.

Yes - arguments can get passionate...but there is NO reason they should get personal at any time.

By rights I could be going through a number of the previous replies and throwing Warns around like a cyber-lollie scramble...but from what I see its a bit of tit-for-tat going on.

THAT STOPS NOW

...or its lollie-scramble time...


Thank you.

Originally posted by titorite
reply to post by MorningStar8741

 

Civil war! this thread is about Civil war as mentioned by the OP and john titor.

Stop distracting the point.

I know you do not like what you can not comprehend but that does not mean you have to give in to your ignorance and behave like uncivil. Grow up man. Act like an adult and stop arguing about things you have no true love of.. just get off distracting points of this subject already. It is obvious you are only here to annoy and distract so go lick the hand that feeds you and do something more productive!




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Such as....? So Titor is off topic in this thread? Really? You should see about getting the title fixed because I can swear it mentions the civil war that JOHN TITOR CLAIMS WE SHOULD BE IN RIGHT NOW. See, it is about a civil war that did not come. This thread is about a civil war that does not exsist, told to you by a hoaxster. Now if my calling this hoaxster out, and his story of war a lieis off topic then we have a problem. I feel pretty safe that I am still on topic. As far as needing to grow up...I am not the one that resorted to personal attacks because someone came and rained on my fairy tale.

I am asking legitimate questions about Titor. I am trying to either get you to realize the truth, or convince me of this crap. You are not convincing me, you are just insulting me. Hmmm...maybe you are right. I do need to grow up. Apparently beleiving in fairy tales and then calling people names when they attack that fairy tale is grown up? I will work on that. Maybe I can be as mature as you someday, until then, I will stick to logic, sense, and not getting mad whenever someone challenges my far out beliefs.

Feel better? Now just what about this civil war can we discuss? I am happy to stay on this topic. Want to discuss how it never happend? How it is never going to happen? How it is a story made up by a hoaxster? See, I can stay on topic, just like all my other posts so far.

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Titor got alot wrong and because he got even a single thing wrong many just stopped giving the story any attention and declared the whole thing a hoax. Problem is that, he got a few things right too. Minor detail things like unwritten poems and Scientists reversing their opinions about their own theories. He got big stuff both right and wrong too. Iraq was a hit but the civil war was a miss.

-titorite


You claim right here that he was wrong about the war, as well as a ALOT of other stuff. So, the war is not here and even you admit it was a bad predictions. So....now what. He got stuff right and wrong, mostly wrong, you said it. What did he get right? Iraq, anyone studying would politics the time he said that crap could see that was coming. Just watch any film about the corrupt government from 2000 or earlier. You will see many people predicting that war. So he was not even a good guesser, just someone who can read. Then what did he get right? a poem and Scientists changing oppinions. Wow, where else in history have scientists ever reversed their ideas? Hmmm, I think they call that "experimentaion." They come up with theories and then test them. Often those theories do not pan out. This makes them change direction in their thinking. This is old. And this poem. You must be referring to something new. Where are the people that later wrote poems that John Titor already wrote? And how is this proof of anything other than plagiarism?



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Originally posted by sir_chancealot

8) ...However, if I had an opportunity to talk to a time traveler, I might ask questions like: How exactly does the singularity sensor measure the expansion of the inner event horizon or why does the reality of multiple worlds support the religious dogma that there are no good or bad people just good and bad desicions or what were the political motivations that changed the U.S. Constitution?


And here's one that is making more and more sense every day "The year 2008 was a general date by which time everyone will realize the world they thought they were living in was over."

Let's just start at the bottom here. First of all, 2008 is almost over and what will happen if "most people" do not come to this conclusion. You will say "different worldline!"

Ok fine but please tell me what quote 8 above does to prove anything at all? Seriously, what is that supposed to prove to me? That Titor knew his scientific lingo? Try proving he was a time traveler.

Even you should be above trying to prove anything he said was correct because if his false predicitons are dismissed by "worldine BS" then his correct ones are still just chance and are not at all predictable are they?

That is what is so funny about you all. You say he is from the future and can predict things but when it comes to pass and he is proven wrong, he was from a different future so it is ok. Seriously? You are going to argue that when he is right, it backs up your case, and when he is wrong it is because of how time travel works. Pretty neat. Too bad so far none of you have shown him to be right about ANYTHING that he could not have guessed or read about. So far the closest he come to being "right" is by discussing things that were actually old news to the right people at that time.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

....You didn't answer my question....

Obviously you asked the wrong question, therefore you recieved my rant lol. As I've been saying through out this thread, no worldline is exactly alike [That's your Answer].

I didn't make the rules about Many-worlds theory in which some of this is based on, it's my interpretation that major spacetime events could vibrate throughout the multiverse in varying degrees, and the future is not written in stone.

For you to say "his worldline obviously is nothing like this one" would be wrong. You can't deny the Waco like raids here, the "non-lethal" weapons like "Tasers" here, the Federal Empire here or 2008 being the "general date by which time everyone will realize the world they thought they were living in was over." And much more..... on this worldline it's HERE!!! The Federal Empire is waging war against us on several fronts!!!!

Well I guess you could be overwhelmed in denial.
It's a bit much to soak in for you Anti-Titorites.


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Originally posted by imitator
As I've been saying through out this thread, no worldline is exactly alike

And that's where you should just end.

I didn't make the rules about Many-worlds theory in which some of this is based on, it's my interpretation that major spacetime events could vibrate throughout the multiverse in varying degrees, and the future is not written in stone.

Problem is this is a titor thread not a "imitator's theories" thread...

For you to say "his worldline obviously is nothing like this one" would be wrong.

No that would be 100% correct.

You can't deny the Waco like raids here

You're right I not denying it. I can deny something that doesn't exists.
There hasn't been a waco type event since waco.

the "non-lethal" weapons like "Tasers" here

Who's denying them? They're just irrelevant to Titor and everything else.

the Federal Empire here or 2008 being the "general date by which time everyone will realize the world they thought they were living in was over." And much more..... on this worldline it's HERE!!! The Federal Empire is waging war against us on several fronts!!!!

This is the part where you join us here in the real world...
Titor CLEARLY stated what he meant by "war"
I don't know what you're talking about with the "Federal Empire" stuff. You've been watching Star Wars or something? Are you talking about Titor's post war utopian society? I don't remember him talking about a pre war "federal empire"
Do you even know what that means?

It's a bit much to soak in for you Anti-Titorites.

You're right. It's amazing that people out there like you guys still exist. I thought the human race would be further along by now

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I just really enjoy watching you 'titorites' trip all over each other to try to explain the man, even though his own words are there for you to refer to.

"Oh he can return, worldlines cross."

"Oh they assumed many other people in other worldlines did the same so another John will show up in their worldline with exactly what they sent their John to get."

"He can actually return to his original worldline."

You say it may be too much for us to take in, yep. When you get 3 completely different stories that are all in response to the same question, that is a bit much to take in. Especially since ALL 3 contradict Johns explanation of how he travels through time to begin with. It just really keeps me up at night to know that people who can read and write can get so deeply invested in this kind of fairy tale as to overlook the most obvious flaw in the overall logic the fairy tale depends on to survive. It has become painfully clear that there really is no hope for some people here.

ThatsJustWeird
And that's where you should just end.

Nope. I guess you skipped the part where I said, in varying degrees.

It's true no worldline is exactly alike....but:

John Titor:
Some things that are quite different on one world line have very little effect as time passes and the world lines appear to “converge” again and look very similar. World line changes are not exponential, they act more like chaotic attractors with varying effect depending on their size and location.

Parallel universes exist independently of each other and only interact to avoid the collapse of the wave function for any given particle that you are looking at. I like to imagine it as a series of parallel lines crossed by a sine wave. Each point on the sine wave where a line crosses it represents an alternate outcome. The multiple “yous” on each worldline record a different result for the activity of the event.

ThatsJustWeird
Problem is this is a titor thread not a "imitator's theories" thread...

Not my theory nor my thread, simply an extension about Many-worlds theory.

ThatsJustWeird
No that would be 100% correct.

You are 100% wrong, The FEMA camps are ready to receive the "dissenters.
Thousands of Troops Are Deployed on U.S. Streets Ready to Carry Out "Crowd Control"

ThatsJustWeird
You're right I not denying it. I can deny something that doesn't exists.
There hasn't been a waco type event since waco.

Waco was a botched "type" raid with excessive force over the use of order and rights. I guess you don't understand the English language of "like" and "type."

like: Possessing the characteristics of; resembling closely; similar to.
type: To furnish an expression of; to represent; to typify.

Again your clueless on current botched Paramilitary Police Raids, some of them get medals for their botchery. Minn. officers involved in botched raid get medals.

John Titor:
The year 2008 was a general date by which time everyone will realize the world they thought they were living in was over. The civil war in the United States will start in 2004. I would describe it as having a Waco type event every month that steadily gets worse. The conflict will consume everyone in the US by 2012 and end in 2015 with a very short WWIII.

You must realize that why people are fighting is more important that what they are fighting with. The conflict was not about taking and holding ground it was about order and rights. They were betting that people wanted security instead of freedom and they were wrong.

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