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The American Civil War of 2005 as predicted by John Titor
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Originally posted by Simulacra
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
But we're talking about a civil war here.
What scenario can there possibly be where Americans are willing give up there very comfortable lives and to go to war with and kill other Americans just like that?
I can only count of three times when America has been this polarized.
1.) During the Vietnam War which resulted in a myriad of civil right actions and upheavel.
2.) During the Civil War of America which resulted in...well, a Civil War.
3.) Modern day.
Okay... been there, and lived through it, in fact... at least the first and second ones. I can honestly say that the climate today is NOT like it was during the Vietnam war.
Nor were people divided enough to cause a civil war. They were divided enough to work within legal means (impeachment) and there certainly was civil dissent.
We had ghettos burning, riots on the streets, the National Guard out in force for our demonstrations -- and there was still no civil war. Frankly, I don't think it would have come to that.
All modern civil wars evolve from one of two scenarios: a government so weak that it can't keep ethnic groups from attacking each other -OR- a group of rebels (generally a sizeable Army faction of at least 1/10th the population under the control of a particularly personable general) with military equipment.
Niether of these exist.
Democrats aren't running around with Uzis, strafing Republicans on the streets. I haven't seen any Republicans trying to mortar my house with field artillery. Nobody has set my car on fire because I'm a Pagan.
And I can only recall of one moment in American history in which the people have been truly united, The American revolution.
I think you give too much credit to myth, there. A lot of Americans, in fact, did NOT want to be free of England.
As for other times, well, we were fairly united during most wars, including WWII. And I recall a lot of unity for our great leaps of science -- times when we all stopped everything and watched those Mercury rockets launch our astronauts into outer space.
And after civil celebrations, such as Olympic victories.
And during Kennedy's funeral... the whole nation mourned. That was also true for FDR.
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Again look at our history. We've been in much much much much more worse states than we are now and no civil war happened then
Remember, the civil war occured because of a division between America. In modern times this has manifested into Republcian/Democrat.
Eh, it's not that great. You have a spectrum of opinions, from liberal Reps to conservative Dems.
More than half of America opposes the war.
More than half of America believes that we were duped in the war.
More than half of America believes Bush is not a suitable leader.
And we're just eagerly awaiting the next election! Only 3 more years of that fool! Thank the gods for a system that ensures he can't stay in power forever!!
Places the pieces of the puzzle together. America is prime for either a civil war or a revolution.
Or a legislative mess or a voter backlash or a thousand other scenarios.
[edit on 6-5-2005 by Byrd]
Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe
Don't you think you're being a little too selective about quoting his words? You're allowed to read a whole paragraph at a time you know, give it a try and you'll see it opens up whole new worlds for you.
Unlike you, everything I wrote was in context of what Titor wrote.
You're the one that's being selective in the quotes, I didn't quote him, YOU did.
Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe
You should be in politics.
nahh
I'm not nearly as good as you in distorting the truth
Holy crap, this thread is still alive? Lol, i thought it had died.
www.theherald.co.uk...
May 02 2005
We are now at "peak-oil" or very close to it. Hereafter, capitalism's life-blood is ebbing. There is a direct correlation between oil price rises, military budget increases, weapons deployment, warfare and covert operations around the world, as nation states gear up to secure, by whatever means, diminishing oil supplies. Rumsfeld has won the battle to control US intelligence operations, Negroponte is the new national intelligence director and Bolton is going to the UN.
We are approaching the end-game. Since early 1999, oil prices have risen about 400%. Recent oil-price rises have taken $90m a day out of the US consumer economy, itself a bubble sustained by foreign debt, much of it from China. China's own oil demand is expected to grow by 33% this year. Nations are expanding their economies as fast as possible to generate cash and liquidity as a means of securing more oil from a diminishing pool.
A descending vicious cycle has begun. Oil industry analyst Jan Lundberg has recently written: "The end of abundant, affordable oil is in sight, and the implications are colossal . . . This means that the next tough oil shortage, even if it is not acknowledged as a post-peak-oil extraction phenomenon of diminishing supply, will cripple the globalised economy."
When this happens, the unmet world demand of more than 80 million barrels a day will result in market paralysis with prices too high for the wheels of commerce and even daily living in "advanced" societies. This will result in massive civil unrest. Societies less dependent on oil will fare better.
Those dependent on it for food, work, transport and heat will disintegrate.On the foreign front, Iraq was a (futile) attempt to delay this. On the parallel domestic fronts, the US Patriot Act and New Labour's draconian erosion of civil liberties, the evisceration of the BBC and the degradation of cabinet government are manifestations of the preparations for the end of oil.
Some straws in the wind: China is already buying and hoarding 60% of the world's commodities: oil, cement, aluminium, copper, zinc, manganese, steel, coal, gold, silver, etc. Last year it bought 90% of the world's steel output and announced a 12.6% increase in its defence budget for next year, pushing it into an overt arms race with the US.
This has stimulated the China-Taiwan flashpoint as China has enacted a Taiwan secession law, countered by dangerous rhetoric from the US, Japan and Taiwan.Recent Sino-Japanese sabre-rattling is only tangentially about school history texts. We are witnessing the opening shots in the war for control of oil-shipping routes. China and India have agreed to hold first-ever joint naval exercises in the Indian Ocean as the former is beginning attempts to control the strategic Straits of Malacca through which 80% of its imported oil passes. Just wait until China calls in its US debts and starts selling dollars.
These are the real issues around which Iraq and Labour were skewered, and no-one in this absurd general election is talking about them, far less confronting them. That does not mean to say that the elite aren't thinking about them. The evidence suggests they are thinking about little else.
Dr John O'Dowd, 3 Downfield Gardens, Bothwell.
May 02 2005
We are now at "peak-oil" or very close to it. Hereafter, capitalism's life-blood is ebbing. There is a direct correlation between oil price rises, military budget increases, weapons deployment, warfare and covert operations around the world, as nation states gear up to secure, by whatever means, diminishing oil supplies. Rumsfeld has won the battle to control US intelligence operations, Negroponte is the new national intelligence director and Bolton is going to the UN.
We are approaching the end-game. Since early 1999, oil prices have risen about 400%. Recent oil-price rises have taken $90m a day out of the US consumer economy, itself a bubble sustained by foreign debt, much of it from China. China's own oil demand is expected to grow by 33% this year. Nations are expanding their economies as fast as possible to generate cash and liquidity as a means of securing more oil from a diminishing pool.
A descending vicious cycle has begun. Oil industry analyst Jan Lundberg has recently written: "The end of abundant, affordable oil is in sight, and the implications are colossal . . . This means that the next tough oil shortage, even if it is not acknowledged as a post-peak-oil extraction phenomenon of diminishing supply, will cripple the globalised economy."
When this happens, the unmet world demand of more than 80 million barrels a day will result in market paralysis with prices too high for the wheels of commerce and even daily living in "advanced" societies. This will result in massive civil unrest. Societies less dependent on oil will fare better.
Those dependent on it for food, work, transport and heat will disintegrate.On the foreign front, Iraq was a (futile) attempt to delay this. On the parallel domestic fronts, the US Patriot Act and New Labour's draconian erosion of civil liberties, the evisceration of the BBC and the degradation of cabinet government are manifestations of the preparations for the end of oil.
Some straws in the wind: China is already buying and hoarding 60% of the world's commodities: oil, cement, aluminium, copper, zinc, manganese, steel, coal, gold, silver, etc. Last year it bought 90% of the world's steel output and announced a 12.6% increase in its defence budget for next year, pushing it into an overt arms race with the US.
This has stimulated the China-Taiwan flashpoint as China has enacted a Taiwan secession law, countered by dangerous rhetoric from the US, Japan and Taiwan.Recent Sino-Japanese sabre-rattling is only tangentially about school history texts. We are witnessing the opening shots in the war for control of oil-shipping routes. China and India have agreed to hold first-ever joint naval exercises in the Indian Ocean as the former is beginning attempts to control the strategic Straits of Malacca through which 80% of its imported oil passes. Just wait until China calls in its US debts and starts selling dollars.
These are the real issues around which Iraq and Labour were skewered, and no-one in this absurd general election is talking about them, far less confronting them. That does not mean to say that the elite aren't thinking about them. The evidence suggests they are thinking about little else.
Dr John O'Dowd, 3 Downfield Gardens, Bothwell.
www.reuters.com...
April 28 2005
Oil prices have already risen to record highs above $58 this year as surging demand in Asia's emerging economies pushes world supplies close to current capacity. Goldman Sachs bank has warned of a potential 'super-spike' to $100 a barrel.
Political tensions in big Middle East producers such as Iraq, Iran and Saudi Arabia have undermined confidence in security of supply from the region, which pumps a third of the world's 84 million barrels daily oil needs.
Civil unrest in Africa's biggest producer Nigeria has been another flashpoint, while oil production in Venezuela, a big supplier to the United States, is still suffering the fallout of a general strike two years ago that slashed capacity.
April 28 2005
Oil prices have already risen to record highs above $58 this year as surging demand in Asia's emerging economies pushes world supplies close to current capacity. Goldman Sachs bank has warned of a potential 'super-spike' to $100 a barrel.
Political tensions in big Middle East producers such as Iraq, Iran and Saudi Arabia have undermined confidence in security of supply from the region, which pumps a third of the world's 84 million barrels daily oil needs.
Civil unrest in Africa's biggest producer Nigeria has been another flashpoint, while oil production in Venezuela, a big supplier to the United States, is still suffering the fallout of a general strike two years ago that slashed capacity.
JT: "Can anyone tell me how many companies in the United States still manufacture bicycle tires today? Anyone who still has a bike in 2008 will find
out."
TimeTravel_0 : "Go north."
TimeTravel_0 : "Invest in hydrogen fuel cells"
TimeTravel_0 : "Invest in hydrogen fuel cells"
Q: Does the civil war start in such a way that with this foreknowledge those willing will have time to remove themselves to safer locations?
JT: "Yes. You will be forced to ask yourself how many civil rights you will give up to feel safe."
Q: Will you readily be able to identify the enemy?
JT: "They will be the ones arresting and holding prople without due process."
JT: "Yes. You will be forced to ask yourself how many civil rights you will give up to feel safe."
Q: Will you readily be able to identify the enemy?
JT: "They will be the ones arresting and holding prople without due process."
www.nytimes.com...
Europe's Economy Hit Hard by Rapid Rise in Oil Prices
By MARK LANDLER
Published: April 8, 2005
FRANKFURT, April 7 - With oil trading well above $50 a barrel, the European Central Bank said Thursday that the high price was "very unwelcome," pulling down Europe's growth and pushing up inflation.
"We are now at a level that is very, very high," Jean-Claude Trichet, the bank's president, said at a news conference where he announced that the bank would not raise interest rates.
Europe's economy has shown signs of faltering in recent weeks, most visibly in surveys that report sharp drops in German industrial production and business confidence. On Monday, the European Commission cut its 2005 growth forecast for the 12-nation euro zone to 1.6 percent, from 2 percent.
The drumbeat of bad news has forced the European Central Bank to put off a long-signaled increase in its benchmark rate, which remains at 2 percent, a record low in the post-World War II period. In Britain, which is outside the European monetary union, the Bank of England also voted Thursday to leave its benchmark rate unchanged.
"Oil is by far the biggest threat to the world economy, and it is felt most by the weakest link, the European Union," said Thomas Mayer, the chief European economist at Deutsche Bank in London.
Mr. Mayer said high oil prices were most likely the main culprit for Germany's recent spate of bad numbers, including a surprising 2.2 percent decline in industrial production in February. Germany, as a major importer of oil, is particularly sensitive to spikes in the price.
Rising oil prices, however, also stoke inflation, which remains slightly above the 2 percent threshold set by the European Central Bank. The bank is laboring to balance its primary mission - serving as a sentinel against inflation - against its responsibility to foster economic growth.
Mr. Trichet made it clear that the bank still hoped to tighten monetary policy. A rate cut, which some economists advocate, is not an option, he said Thursday. But at the same time, he said the bank's governors did not discuss raising rates at their monthly policy meeting.
Sifting through the nuances of Mr. Trichet's pronouncements, most bank watchers now believe that a rate increase will not occur before the summer, and perhaps not until the end of the year.
"The bank's underlying message is the same, but his tone was somewhat less hawkish," said Jörg Krämer of the HVB Group in Munich.
He said he worried that the bank's unwillingness to budge - this is the 22nd month without a change in rates - was contributing to a bubble in property prices in some countries. Since 1998, he said, housing prices in Spain and France have risen more than in the United States.
Mr. Trichet described the economic data as mixed, saying it offered no evidence that Europe's fragile economy had gained any traction. He acknowledged that housing prices had risen sharply in a few countries.
Still, Mr. Trichet said the expansion of Europe's money supply and the loosening of credit was a cause for concern.
Political shadows now also loom over the European Central Bank and its common currency. In France, the faltering recovery and stubbornly high unemployment have swelled public opposition to the European Union's Constitution, which faces a referendum in late May.
Mr. Trichet, a Frenchman, said he believed that the Constitution would be approved. He urged doubters to recall the days before Europe adopted the euro, a period he said was one of chronic instability.
Europe's Economy Hit Hard by Rapid Rise in Oil Prices
By MARK LANDLER
Published: April 8, 2005
FRANKFURT, April 7 - With oil trading well above $50 a barrel, the European Central Bank said Thursday that the high price was "very unwelcome," pulling down Europe's growth and pushing up inflation.
"We are now at a level that is very, very high," Jean-Claude Trichet, the bank's president, said at a news conference where he announced that the bank would not raise interest rates.
Europe's economy has shown signs of faltering in recent weeks, most visibly in surveys that report sharp drops in German industrial production and business confidence. On Monday, the European Commission cut its 2005 growth forecast for the 12-nation euro zone to 1.6 percent, from 2 percent.
The drumbeat of bad news has forced the European Central Bank to put off a long-signaled increase in its benchmark rate, which remains at 2 percent, a record low in the post-World War II period. In Britain, which is outside the European monetary union, the Bank of England also voted Thursday to leave its benchmark rate unchanged.
"Oil is by far the biggest threat to the world economy, and it is felt most by the weakest link, the European Union," said Thomas Mayer, the chief European economist at Deutsche Bank in London.
Mr. Mayer said high oil prices were most likely the main culprit for Germany's recent spate of bad numbers, including a surprising 2.2 percent decline in industrial production in February. Germany, as a major importer of oil, is particularly sensitive to spikes in the price.
Rising oil prices, however, also stoke inflation, which remains slightly above the 2 percent threshold set by the European Central Bank. The bank is laboring to balance its primary mission - serving as a sentinel against inflation - against its responsibility to foster economic growth.
Mr. Trichet made it clear that the bank still hoped to tighten monetary policy. A rate cut, which some economists advocate, is not an option, he said Thursday. But at the same time, he said the bank's governors did not discuss raising rates at their monthly policy meeting.
Sifting through the nuances of Mr. Trichet's pronouncements, most bank watchers now believe that a rate increase will not occur before the summer, and perhaps not until the end of the year.
"The bank's underlying message is the same, but his tone was somewhat less hawkish," said Jörg Krämer of the HVB Group in Munich.
He said he worried that the bank's unwillingness to budge - this is the 22nd month without a change in rates - was contributing to a bubble in property prices in some countries. Since 1998, he said, housing prices in Spain and France have risen more than in the United States.
Mr. Trichet described the economic data as mixed, saying it offered no evidence that Europe's fragile economy had gained any traction. He acknowledged that housing prices had risen sharply in a few countries.
Still, Mr. Trichet said the expansion of Europe's money supply and the loosening of credit was a cause for concern.
Political shadows now also loom over the European Central Bank and its common currency. In France, the faltering recovery and stubbornly high unemployment have swelled public opposition to the European Union's Constitution, which faces a referendum in late May.
Mr. Trichet, a Frenchman, said he believed that the Constitution would be approved. He urged doubters to recall the days before Europe adopted the euro, a period he said was one of chronic instability.
Holy hell, this thread is still going. Has there been any note worthy developments in this threads, since I last posted here?
Such as new evidence to corroborate or debunk Titor. Call me lazy, but I don't feel like reading through 200 pages!
Anyway, it seems we are almost halfway through 2005, and nothing seems to have transpired that could lead to a civil war. I personally don't care anymore. Life is too short to worry about these things(or debate about alliens for that matter) When and if it happens - it happens - until then enjoy life and use it to explore yourself and deal with your issues.
[edit on 9-5-2005 by Indigo_Child]
Such as new evidence to corroborate or debunk Titor. Call me lazy, but I don't feel like reading through 200 pages!
Anyway, it seems we are almost halfway through 2005, and nothing seems to have transpired that could lead to a civil war. I personally don't care anymore. Life is too short to worry about these things(or debate about alliens for that matter) When and if it happens - it happens - until then enjoy life and use it to explore yourself and deal with your issues.
[edit on 9-5-2005 by Indigo_Child]
Originally posted by Indigo_Child
Life is too short to worry about these things(or debate about alliens for that matter) When and if it happens - it happens - until then enjoy life and use it to explore yourself and deal with your issues.
WOOHOO!!!
He finally gets it!
Oh and nice post padding Roth......
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Oh and nice post padding Roth......
Thank you
I appreciate it that the news from sources such as the New York Times, Reuters and The Herald haven't gone unnoticed by you.
Isn't it interesting how the news items more and more seem to synchronize with Titor's words?
Roth Joint
Originally posted by Roth Joint
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Oh and nice post padding Roth......
Thank you
I appreciate it that the news from sources such as the New York Times, Reuters and The Herald haven't gone unnoticed by you.
Isn't it interesting how the news items more and more seem to synchronize with Titor's words?
Roth Joint
whats more interesting is all of the "waco type events" that have been happening every month......oh wait, we haven't seen one yet......my bad
Yet, who could believe such an escalation as what appears below for a 12 mph speeding violation?
My sense is that we are dangerously loosing perspective.....
seattlepi.nwsource.com...
[edit on 10-5-2005 by loam]
My sense is that we are dangerously loosing perspective.....
seattlepi.nwsource.com...
Pregnant woman 'Tasered' by police is convicted
She was rushing her son to school. She was eight months pregnant. And she was about to get a speeding ticket she didn't think she deserved.
So when a Seattle police officer presented the ticket to Malaika Brooks, she refused to sign it. In the ensuing confrontation, she suffered burns from a police Taser, an electric stun device that delivers 50,000 volts.
[edit on 10-5-2005 by loam]
Originally posted by loam
Yet, who could believe such an escalation as what appears below for a 12 mph speeding violation?
My sense is that we are dangerously loosing perspective.....
seattlepi.nwsource.com...
Pregnant woman 'Tasered' by police is convicted
She was rushing her son to school. She was eight months pregnant. And she was about to get a speeding ticket she didn't think she deserved.
So when a Seattle police officer presented the ticket to Malaika Brooks, she refused to sign it. In the ensuing confrontation, she suffered burns from a police Taser, an electric stun device that delivers 50,000 volts.
[edit on 10-5-2005 by loam]
this is not a waco-type event. Lets stay focused ! There have been no waco-type events this year. none.
and how about these
talkleft.com...
www.wftv.com...
www.cnn.com...
seattlepi.nwsource.com...
JT said that most will not admit to a problem till 08
talkleft.com...
www.wftv.com...
www.cnn.com...
seattlepi.nwsource.com...
JT said that most will not admit to a problem till 08
maybe I'm dense. The title of the thread is "the american civil war or 2005 as predicted by John Titor"
it is not about a war in 2008
it is claiming this country will be in a civil war by the end of this year. This year is 2005
Waco type event is an event like waco. Not police shootings, tasers, child murders etc
it is not about a war in 2008
it is claiming this country will be in a civil war by the end of this year. This year is 2005
Waco type event is an event like waco. Not police shootings, tasers, child murders etc
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