Police chiefs ask US to waive immunity for envoy's wife in crash.

originally posted by: LurkinNoMore
a reply to: Catch_a_Fire

I just wasn't sure what your point was. That car accidents outside of RAF bases are more common than people in this thread might think?

Exactly that!....... Accidents will happen around any busy facility, im not saying theres a conspiracy in these accidents, although her actions around this particular accident are a little.... Off.

a reply to: alldaylong

All the more reason for her to leave the country. You do realize it was the state department that put her on a flight back to the US.

I seriously doubt she would get a fair trial as emotions are running high over the boys death. Do to the fact they just moved there she is used to driving on the right side. You can see in t
he video she leaves the base driving on the wrong side. She didnt intend to kill or injure anyone she made a mistake.

As far as i see it she doesn't deserve jail time when she thought she was driving correctly.

Sad that the boy lost his life do to a tragic accident but locking this woman up accomplishes nothing other than revenge.

a reply to: dragonridr

I'm sorry but you are seriously deluded or just plain stupid.

Yeah she made a mistake, a huge one, that cost someone their life. And she then hopped on a plane and ran off after telling local police she wouldn't be going anywhere.

Why should she be above the law that I would face in my own country for killing someone in a road accident?

Imagine if a tourist ran over your child, didn't even stick around to apologise before leaving the country.

Some really stupid people on the forum tonight. Only an American would think driving on the wrong side because "ooops i'm forgetful" is a good excuse.

I don't have the patience to reply to all of y'all. As a motorcycle rider myself, it's unfortunate dude lost his life. Had he chosen literally any other street legal vehicle, odds are he would still be with us and the insurance company would be out a few thousand dollars while they both would be free to live their best life.

His personal choice of vehicle in no way makes her a murder or a criminal.

originally posted by: LurkinNoMore

Remind me to run over someone in your family next time I visit the states.

Sounds fun, but we live in a red state and chose to take your words literally...

a reply to: LurkinNoMore

Its not about forgetting anything we are taught to drive on the right our entire life. As i said i made the same mistake in germany on a roundabout. Luckily no one was injured well except my insurance company. The only thing different here is she hit someone on a motorcycle. Bottom line as far as i see it she doesnt deserve to go to jail for an accident. And that appears to be what everyone is pushing to have happen. Accidents happen all the time even causes deaths but we dont lock them up unless you can show gross negligence such as driving impaired.

Ps as an american who has driven all over europe i will tell you its very unnatural and you constantly have to remind yourself which side if the road to drive on.

originally posted by: Jason79

His personal choice of vehicle in no way makes her a murder or a criminal.

Of course not but causing death by careless or inconsiderate driving in UK is. Up to 5 years prison.

Our country our rules. Your citizen fled justice.
But don't argue the fact it is a crime here, because it is. Throw a philosophical argument about the law itself and start a thread maybe, but causing death by careless or inconsiderate driving it is a crime in UK.
...and your coward citizen fled justice after killing a man at the start of his life through her carelessness, which is a crime while driving here in UK.
Coward bitch, I'd scratch her #ing eyes out

a reply to: DaisyRainbow

And that is why countries created diplomatic immunity. Just in case a diplomat violates a law that would not be enforced in the United States. In the US this woman would be brought up on a civil trial meaning she would have to pay the family a lot of money. But she would not go to jail.

a reply to: dragonridr

Yes I totally get the immunity thing but a regular airman wouldn't be immune.
I'm not really into the intricacies of diplomatic immunity laws though, just a personal feeling of coward bitch flicking the bird to a grieving mother, sneaking out on a military plane.

Really, I would scratch the bitches face off

She should be returned. What's more, those embassy officials who told her to, in essence, flee the scene should be, at the very least, fired--perhaps even prosecuted for obstruction.

I'm not a fan of diplomatic immunity for everyone attached to an embassy. The ambassador him, or her, self...yes. No one else. You either behave, or face the consequences.

a reply to: DaisyRainbow

Dont assume this woman is deeply upset about killing someone i know i would be. This is something she has to live with for the rest of her life. I couldn't imagine what tolls that will take on her its not something you easily forget.

As far as the family i strongly suggest they open a civil trial against her. There is nothing stopping them from suing her in a US court. Then a judge will decide if she needs to compensate the family for her stupidity.

a reply to: dragonridr

Good idea but doubt they could do it without a crowdfunder or pro bono lawyer, they're just a regular Joe English family by the looks of it.

a reply to: dragonridr

So what your basically saying is, the family of this poor lad should spend thousands of pounds to see any type of justice for the loss of their son??..... Im amazed at what Im reading in this thread!

This is the Uk, it is against our laws to kill someone whilst driving without due care and attention.

She would not have been made an example of.

She would have been treated more than fairly.

She would never of seen the inside of a custody cell, nevermind all this talk of prison!

Why? ...... Because of her diplomatic immunity...... She would of got a slap on the wrist and had to release a statement of apology at most. Its a joke i know, but sadly thats how it probably would have played out, had she stayed. So why run?.

a reply to: MisterSpock

i agree wholeheartedly.

originally posted by: dragonridr
Ps as an american who has driven all over europe i will tell you its very unnatural and you constantly have to remind yourself which side if the road to drive on.

My Chinese co-worker was back and forth between Hong Kong and Taiwan frequently and even though he should have been used to switching which side of the road to drive on, apparently you never get used to it completely and can always have a lapse which he did when we narrowly avoided an accident.

So I hope the NWO is considering standardizing which side of the road to drive on to avoid such mishaps and in this unfortunate case, a death which would be completely avoidable had we adopted global standards.

Here's a map showing which countries drive on the right side of the road, which most of the world is doing already.

Just shows you the sort of entitled thinking people like this display throughout their lives.

Like Ted Kennedy killing that girl when he was drunk and running away.

What ever happened to being responsible for your actions? Only the poor grunts are responsible, it seems, anyone with money bears none.

That said, she shouldn't be made an example of, she should be treated the same as anyone else whoever caused death by dangerous driving or, more likely, driving without due care and attention.

Maybe a little heavier penalty due to doing a runner and lying to the police.

Lastly, people like this ought not be in or near any position of any influence whatsoever.

originally posted by: dragonridr
Bottom line as far as i see it she doesnt deserve to go to jail for an accident.

That's up to a court to decide, if it ever got there. We do not know whether it was a no-fault accident, or the fault of the motorcyclist, or the woman. We know sod-all about this traffic incident, except someone was killed and the other person involved has put herself out of reach of further questioning and legal process.

Botton line. The law's the law and people need to face it.

a reply to: dragonridr

All the more reason for her to leave the country.

There is no reason for her to leave the country, only that she is fleeing justice and to be honest she is a scumbag.

Do to the fact they just moved there she is used to driving on the right side. You can see in t

If she didn't know what side of the road she should have been driving on, then she shouldn't have been driving at all.

No excuses.

originally posted by: Arbitrageur
So I hope the NWO is considering standardizing which side of the road to drive on to avoid such mishaps and in this unfortunate case, a death which would be completely avoidable had we adopted global standards.

I totally agree. However, I think the French would resist driving on the left, as would the Americans et al.

The fact is that when you drive in another country you obey the laws and conventions of that country. It's not just a left/right thing, there are differences in traffic priority, speeds and lane discipline for example.

a reply to: dragonridr

Ignorance of the law is not regarded as a sound defence.

I've driven all over the World with work. It is my responsibility to know the basic traffic laws and to abide by them, and I would fully expect to face the consequences should I kill someone due to my ignorance or neglect, immunity or not.

It's about individual responsibility. Using diplomatic immunity to escape the country after unlawfully killing a young lad is morally reprehensible.