good luck, USA... you're going to need it.

i'm starting this thread in response to www.abovetopsecret.com... - i've posted the same thing there, but i feel it'll soon be invisible to most due to lowering signal-to-noise ratio there. by all means, watch the video posted there, but do so without prejudice. try to put yourself outside of the left-right dogma. that being said, this post was written mostly for the right side and the language reflects it - but that doesn't mean everyone else should stop reading, quite the opposite.

putting left and right aside, think... THINK... what if it all pans out as you expect? what if the dems will end up in jail or working in mcdonalds, while their supporters will be left crying and/or pacified, because they have no chance in case of a civil war? don't get me wrong... they WILL try to start it, but it'll end as soon as it began, the end result being... what exactly? fascist-totalitarian republic run by Trump? i'm not saying that's what he wants. i'm saying that's what TPTB want.

they're using dems to build up fears of something that would never become reality without their own actions... or did you forget about those pulling the strings from behind BOTH sides?

think about it. if you wanna have extremely totalitarian republic, you need a scapegoat. you need an excuse. you need something like "we gotta pacify the left, they're out of control". what do you think all this mess is for? illegal immigration, gender BS, LGBT propaganda, "empowering" of the minorities so their voices are not only heard, but are the loudest ones around?

they got exactly what they wanted - when you're on the right, you're afraid to speak up in public because you may be labeled a nazi and a racist. that's how insane the left side of the society has become, and you know it. and they know it. and that is EXACTLY what they wanted.

all that remains is to flip the table - and you're just watching first signs of it.

just remember, regardless of the side you're on, that when your old country goes up in flames and new republic arises from the ashes, remember that both sides were played by the powers that be. some on the right will cheer up the changes, but the truth is, it'll be a sad day for all except those unaware of the fact they were - and still are - being manipulated and thrown at each others' throats.

a reply to: jedi_hamster


What would be sadder is to sit back, keep mouth shut and just let THEM roll right over us.

Interesting.. even if the radical left wants civil war i don't think American citizens will follow suit. It is possible that TPTB are trying to create more divide by pushing an extreme PC anti-trump left and encouraging the right to hate the left enough to do something extreme.

My belief is that we are reaching the swing of a pendulum and once the climax is over, both sides will settle down and most people will realize the faults of hating each other over this duelistic party system.

Anyway, interesting post OP.

originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: jedi_hamster


What would be sadder is to sit back, keep mouth shut and just let THEM roll right over us.

but what do you think will happen? the left went crazy already, when Trump wins again and some politicians will end up in jail, they'll go completely off the rail. and when the inevitable confrontation happens, and then consequences of said confrontation, they'll be all screaming "we told you so", still unaware of the fact they were played.

that you were all played.

you can't talk any sense into them, it's too late to undo years of propaganda. the only chance you have is that law enforcement - or rather military - will turn its back on Trump and the government when the time comes, seeing the bigger picture. it's either military coup or fascist-totalitarian regime, built on years of manipulation to unhinge the left, then flipping the table with political scandals to light the fuse. can't you see that?

you think the right side is smarter than the left? it probably is, but not by a large margin. you're all acting like puppets on strings. WAKE UP.

a reply to: jedi_hamster

I think it is more likely to incite the left to begin guerilla type tactics.

originally posted by: blueman12
Interesting.. even if the radical left wants civil war i don't think American citizens will follow suit. It is possible that TPTB are trying to create more divide by pushing an extreme PC anti-trump left and encouraging the right to hate the left enough to do something extreme.

My belief is that we are reaching the swing of a pendulum and once the climax is over, both sides will settle down and most people will realize the faults of hating each other over this duelistic party system.

Anyway, interesting post OP.

it doesn't have to be a war in a sense that it's strategically planned, quite the opposite. think antifa x1000. chaos everywhere, property damage everywhere, attacks - and deaths - everywhere. at that point martial law would be the only option, and then it's all up to the military, if it'll play the game the way government wants.

originally posted by: Vasa Croe
a reply to: jedi_hamster

I think it is more likely to incite the left to begin guerilla type tactics.

i think you may be right. as i've said above, something like antifa x1000, perhaps a little bit more coordinated, but still chaotic - they're not supposed to succeed. maybe even some false flags along the way.

Looks like there are a few people that do need to be Fired. A lot of the bad apples have been taken out of the system, still a few more to go. Trump has been very patient in sorting out the facts from the fiction and making the list of who has been naughty and nice.

It does not surprise me to hear some people panicking at the thought of the sky falling. Their world will be crashing down with a long over due reality check. Some of these problems are long term, deep entrenched cultural ways of being. Some have a lot of serious conflicts of interest wrapped up in them.

These big challenges ahead come with a lot of implications. For the most part I do see things getting better once the real issues are acknowledged and steps made to address them.

a reply to: jedi_hamster

I just can't see enough people to join antifa groups or extreme right groups for that to happen. Most people just want to be left alone and live their lives...

originally posted by: kwakakev
Looks like there are a few people that do need to be Fired. A lot of the bad apples have been taken out of the system, still a few more to go. Trump has been very patient in sorting out the facts from the fiction and making the list of who has been naughty and nice.

It does not surprise me to hear some people panicking at the thought of the sky falling. Their world will be crashing down with a long over due reality check. Some of these problems are long term, deep entrenched cultural ways of being. Some have a lot of serious conflicts of interest wrapped up in them.

These big challenges ahead come with a lot of implications. For the most part I do see things getting better once the real issues are acknowledged and steps made to address them.

you look at the big picture, but miss even bigger one. it's true that Trump is doing a good job - he's supposed to. my point is, he's just a puppet like everyone else there. and even if he's not, he cannot revert the damage to the left, he cannot revert the propaganda. in fact, he's fueling it. he's making the left side even more unstable than they already are.

and there are only two possibilities, either he's unaware of the consequences, or he's doing it on purpose. because, honestly, both sides are fueling the divide, no matter how you look at it, claiming anything else is simply dishonest. it doesn't matter how many minorities Trump helps, it's the unhinged left that needs his help the most - but he's not helping, not that they would accept it anyway.

but this isn't about Trump, and draining the swamp is just part of the plan - it's brilliant, really, because it's obviously a good thing to drain it. the thing is, half of the society is unhinged and will go nuts as a result, leading to a conflict - and that's the price you'll have to pay for it all. and you will, and the right side of the society will even cheer it up. your country will change for the worse and many people will celebrate it.

besides, noone's replacing TPTB. it's all a ruse, the swamp isn't being drained, it's just being replaced to gain public support for the upcoming changes.

a reply to: jedi_hamster

when Trump wins

If,,, Trump wins. And ''if'' he doesn't? How do you think his supporters will react. Do you suppose that they will just sit back and go, well, the people have spoken and let it go at that? If, he is defeated or God forbid, impeached, how do you think that they might react when he as free reign to continue to press his agenda over all the conservative media he can find? How do you think they might react when he is indited for all the crimes he is now accused of yet will not have the cover of the presidency to cover him. Do you think that they will just sit back and say, go right ahead?

I'm not saying that any of that will happen just asking a question based on that small change in your points. Changing ''when'' to ''if''.

originally posted by: blueman12
a reply to: jedi_hamster

I just can't see enough people to join antifa groups or extreme right groups for that to happen. Most people just want to be left alone and live their lives...

enough will join when paid enough. that, coupled with a few false flags, and it doesn't even need to be a large scale conflict.

all they need is an excuse that the right side, tired of the left, will accept. when faced with random acts of terrorism, people will give up some of their freedoms for protection - way more than the last time.

A puppet? Trump? That's funny. Can he drain the swamp like he wants to and we want him to? Nope, but it's a start. Once they start falling it should be fun to watch. Decades of corruption and incestual power structures need to be torn down and it won't happen in one term or with even one president like him.

originally posted by: blueman12
a reply to: jedi_hamster

I just can't see enough people to join antifa groups or extreme right groups for that to happen. Most people just want to be left alone and live their lives...

Just curious. . .

I have to wonder how many Nazi Brown Shirts there actually were.

I have to wonder how many actual "workers" revolted in Russia in 1918. How many, what percentage of the population actually revolted?

How many actual revolutionaries fought in 1776? What percentage actually fought?


What was the number that actually fought and what the rest tacitly approved/disapproved of.

The questions aren't directed at you so much as your statement triggered these questions in my fevered, diseased mind.


What is the threshold for revolution?

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: jedi_hamster

when Trump wins

If,,, Trump wins. And ''if'' he doesn't? How do you think his supporters will react. Do you suppose that they will just sit back and go, well, the people have spoken and let it go at that? If, he is defeated or God forbid, impeached, how do you think that they might react when he as free reign to continue to press his agenda over all the conservative media he can find? How do you think they might react when he is indited for all the crimes he is now accused of yet will not have the cover of the presidency to cover him. Do you think that they will just sit back and say, go right ahead?

I'm not saying that any of that will happen just asking a question based on that small change in your points. Changing ''when'' to ''if''.

then hopefully the right is that tiny little bit more sane than the left and won't start a civil war over it.

because if they will, it'll end up exactly the same way as i've described. it doesn't matter who's in charge, when the powers behind the scenes don't change. so if i were you, i wouldn't worry about Trump getting elected or not. i would worry about the consequences of the divide, because those will hit either way.

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

it will be just like when Obama won


Better luck and more work for next time


Or can you show major demonstrations of the right held the day after Obama's Inauguration

I can show them for Trumps.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: blueman12
a reply to: jedi_hamster

I just can't see enough people to join antifa groups or extreme right groups for that to happen. Most people just want to be left alone and live their lives...

Just curious. . .

I have to wonder how many Nazi Brown Shirts there actually were.

I have to wonder how many actual "workers" revolted in Russia in 1918. How many, what percentage of the population actually revolted?

How many actual revolutionaries fought in 1776? What percentage actually fought?


What was the number that actually fought and what the rest tacitly approved/disapproved of.

The questions aren't directed at you so much as your statement triggered these questions in my fevered, diseased mind.


What is the threshold for revolution?

the threshold is probably pretty low, especially now, with densely populated areas and weapons able to kill thousands that a small terrorist group can make in their basement.

they don't have to keep fighting for prolonged period of time, they just have to incite enough fear in general population so it'll accept new rules.

I don't think so, I think the threshold is higher than you think. Too many people are too wrapped up in their own lives these days to care about the big picture. The big cities will likely go into full on chaos mode but the rest of the country will let them eat their own and watch from the sidelines.

Let's not forget that "drain the swamp" is just a marketing term that polled well with Donald Trumps base. Invented by Cambridge Analytica in 2016. If you look at what he's done it's obvious it isn't an actual thing.

He's appointed more lobbyists so far than Obama and Bush did in 8 years. And more Goldman Sachs people than any other administration. Even though he had campaign ads about how they wrecked the economy and how he was going to "drain" them from the swamp.

To get to a point where we can all talk on even, level ground the first thing that has to be acknowledged is the truth. The truth about who he is. What you're being told. What is a lie. And what isn't. You all on the right have to call out or at least acknowledge the lies about him and the lies he tells. I understand that can be difficult because of who we're talking about, but if you want to have an honest conversation it has to be done.

Only from a place of truth can we find common ground.

a reply to: jedi_hamster

he's making the left side even more unstable than they already are.

Trump is doing a good job at wining. The left where already nuts, taking off the rose colored glasses is resulting in a dummy spit. When Hillary was not able to pick up the systems Obama had put in place the writing was on the wall, hence the attacks on Trump to save their turf. It has not work as the swamp draining continues.

A lot of it has to do with the globalist. People not aligned to any one country and able to move around to local jurisdictions that suit the laws they want. The way money works is also under the stop light, lots of fundamental questions that don't always add up. Just how well is the Federal Reserve doing if they are uncomfortable to provide an audit? Sure it is a tough job, but if they cannot be honest about it, does not provide any confidence.