Can someone explain the Biden Ukraine scandal?

a reply to: IAMTAT

Dont waste my time. This is all a lie.

And its not even the first time that trump has tried the very same thing almost to the letter.


You just go ahead and believe whatever your little heart desires.

but when someone breaks it dont come crying to me. You could have learned the truth and been fortified to accept it about him.

OP...I hope you can appreciate the tenor of both sides of the argument.
Quite telling when pondering the veracity of each.

Can anyone explain to me why Biden's son got a ridiculously lucrative contract he was nowhere near qualified for immediately after VP daddy visited the country?

originally posted by: toolgal462

originally posted by: StallionDuck
All of this back and forth going on and it's likely people are missing that the Judicial committee voted and passed red flag laws that violate 7 of our first 10 amendments.

might want to start a new thread about that

You can if you want. I'm mentally exhausted trying to wrap my head around just how deep this hole goes and what it means for both sides of the isle. Majic made a really good point and the hole got all that much deeper. I'm sitting here reading this thread and contemplating while attempting to do brain work AT work lol. I don't have the brain to make another witty OP today.

a reply to: StallionDuck

Well, it's a bit off topic which is why I mentioned starting a thread about it. But did you expect that we had any control over or any power to stop them from passing the red flag laws?

They do what they want and certainly don't answer to us lowly tax payers.

a reply to: StallionDuck

If you are here looking for the truth then you have probably already lost the battle for truth.

Look to many sources.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: IAMTAT

Dont waste my time. This is all a lie.

And its not even the first time that trump has tried the very same thing almost to the letter.

You keep saying "LIES...LIES...ALL LIES!"...but you offer nothing factual to refute the truth of the evidence I put before you.

Is that task beyond your abilities?

originally posted by: jjkenobi
Can anyone explain to me why Biden's son got a ridiculously lucrative contract he was nowhere near qualified for immediately after VP daddy visited the country?

No one can explain that. This is how life goes for those who have politicians for fathers.

originally posted by: IAMTAT
OP...I hope you can appreciate the tenor of both sides of the argument.
Quite telling when pondering the veracity of each.

And they say that impeaching Trump won't be a big deal...

originally posted by: toolgal462
a reply to: StallionDuck

Well, it's a bit off topic which is why I mentioned starting a thread about it. But did you expect that we had any control over or any power to stop them from passing the red flag laws?

They do what they want and certainly don't answer to us lowly tax payers.

Honestly it kinda does go hand in hand with this. Misdirection. It seems to happen every time. When something big is going on, especially something as major as this, there is always something sliding under the table out of sight.

I was just mentioning, just as before, as any other time, we're bickering over this while something else underhanded is taking place.

originally posted by: roadgravel
a reply to: StallionDuck

If you are here looking for the truth then you have probably already lost the battle for truth.

Look to many sources.

That in itself is a problem. You'd literally have to do the grunt work investigation yourself by face to face interviews in hopes that you don't get rubbed out before you can even find said truth. Media can't agree on anything so we're pretty much shafted. Many sources only get you more confused with many more opinions. lol

At least here, you get it all hashed out into something you can kind of understand and pick which makes more sense to you.

a reply to: StallionDuck

Sure, lots of reading and cross checking. Just be advised that part of all of this is understanding bias.

a reply to: Middleoftheroad

50k a MONTH?!?!!

that's more than my yearly......sal..ary...

originally posted by: roadgravel
a reply to: StallionDuck

Sure, lots of reading and cross checking. Just be advised that part of all of this is understanding bias.

Understanding bias is the key to understanding just about everything.

a reply to: redmage

I think you should start with a proper definition of nepotism. Nepotism is when you hire a relative to work with you as Trump has. Not exactly illegal and both son and daughter do have business experience of their own. Biden didn't hire his son to work in the administration although he was hired before to work at Amtrak by Bush, his first job ever was with a lobbying firm which contributed heavily to his Fathers various campaigns.

No specific wrong doing we know of, but when you are in charge of appropriations in Congress and your son is working with one of the largest firms lobbying for specific appropriations then it certainly could be squirrely. When you Father is the VP with an administration and Congress just appropriated half a billion dollars in military aid, and there is an investigation of the company your son works at with no experience and receives an enormous salary and as VP you brag that you got the Prosecutor heading the investigation of the company your son works at and threaten to withhold aid then it could be construed as a little shady.

Remember, President Obama was leery of the appearance of Hunter Biden working for a foriegn company embroiled in an international scandal during the time a massive military aid request was to be awarded. Not that any wrong doing occurred but the unseemly appearance of the son of the VP who was in the midst of a substance abuse problem having been discharged from the Navy after receiving a special and unusual officer Commission despite a history of drug abuse which he recieved another unusual waiver for. He then moves to work for a foriegn company in a business he has zero experience in, doesn't speak the language, and is paid an exorbitant salary for.

Again, not that there is evidence of wrong doing. Wrong doing can only be uncovered by an investigation, of which there was one, but was stopped by the VP. Then Trump ask to reopen that investigation because people want to know, but its suddenly illegal. I dont see wrong doing on either side, but should not both situations be fairly investigated ? It's pretty much how DC has always done business, Nancy Pelosi's husband made millions buying federal property, specifically Post Offices which Pelosi as a member of Congress was instrumental in forcing to close. Not that wrong doing occurred but a smell is sometimes actually a really really bad smell.

They have hollered impeachment for Trump since day one without any investigations or even wrong doing. They spend 30 million on a special prosecutor and still nothing concrete. Appearances, yes, but not actual hard evidence of wrong doing. We do have hard evidence on Clinton who illegally used a private server for goverment business, forgivable and a public shaming. But evidence of the mishandling of classified material on a non government server is more than just an appearance and is a crime many are in prison for but it was whitewashed because of her status.

If we want to investigate, impeach, and prosecute then all of them need to be investigated and prosecuted, not just one side. That's an appearance and a smell I dont wish to tolerate any longer.

From POLITICO:

BIDEN INC.

www.politico.com... on=true

originally posted by: Sillyolme

originally posted by: FlyinHeadlock
1. Energy holding company under investigation.
2. Hunter is given a position on company board.
3. Joe gets lead prosecutor fired.
4. No more investigation.

1) Investigation was shelved because the prosecutor just didnt to his job.
2) Biden started working there after that had occurred.
3) The world money fund and several other european leaders wanted this guy gone because it was obvious he was working for Russias best interest not the Ukraines and not investigating corruption that way that he should have.
4) The only one you got right.

Your sources have all been debunked and scraped 😎

a reply to: redmage

Because Biden is on video bragging about the things they're accusing Trump of. Say Trump's kid was on the board of a foreign company being investigated by a prosecutor. Now lets say Trump threatens to take away aid if they dont fire that prosecutor, so they do, and his kid stays on at the company. You'd think people would care, right? Not if it's Biden and only because Trump requested it. He didnt even threaten to withhold aid. Aid had been stopped months prior to the conversation in question. Libs are mad because... seriously... investigating these facts is somehow worse than using campaign funds to solicit false information to discredit an opponent, and then using that information (at least in part) to obtain warrants to spy on the opposing campaign. If that weren't bad enough, Dem senators wrote to the Ukraine using practically the same verbiage aa Trumps phone call transcript (we've been good to you, now do us a favor). If all of that seems insane, it's because you're rational

originally posted by: SammyB0476
a reply to: Sillyolme

How do you know his dad didn't have anything to do with it? How do you know that Shokin was corrupt?

Her favorite propaganda mouthpiece told her.

msnBS has an impeccable track record that Silly parrots religiously.

If you listen to Joe Biden you notice that he never says he didn't do it...that he's being falsely accused, like President Trump said 100 times about the Russian Witch Hunt.

Instead, Biden says that there is no evidence. Big difference. The evidence is being uncovered as we speak mr. Biden.