Obama Used SAME Top Secret Server To "Hide" Calls With Heads Of State--Where's The Outrage?

originally posted by: Sillyolme
He wasn't using it to hide embarrassing incriminating phone calls though was he?????

Of course he was, he talked to Hillary on a regular basis!

originally posted by: burntheships

originally posted by: Sillyolme
He wasn't using it to hide embarrassing incriminating phone calls though was he?????

Of course he was, he talked to Hillary on a regular basis!

State Department Giving Congress an URGENT briefing tomorrow.

The top watchdog at the State Department will be giving an “urgent” briefing to Congress on Ukraine, ABC News reported Tuesday.

“The State Department’s Inspector General is expected to brief staffers from several House and Senate committees on Wednesday afternoon about documents obtained from the department’s Office of the Legal Adviser concerning documents related to the State Department and Ukraine, sources familiar with the planned briefing told ABC News,” the network reported.

Source: www.rawstory.com...

Hmmm....

BIDEN related?

HILLARY related? (State Dept reopened her e-mail investigation 3 months ago)

P.S. Just reported - A total of 6 committees will be briefed tomorrow. The domestic terrorists on CNN look really scared right now.

originally posted by: hyperlexic
I think Trump should start releasing some of Obamas calls? Like I wonder if the one with Iran right before that payment is still there?

Are schiffs and Pelosis calls recorded? Hope they dive into some of those.

The dems set the precedent. So lets see all the goods.

You're joking, right?
Obama would have anything like that deleted.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
He wasn't using it to hide embarrassing incriminating phone calls though was he?????

Nope, just real stuff that was classified and legitimately so. Yes all presidents have this kind of security.

We know.. we know.

It doesn't help trump in the slightest so what's the point of bringing it up?

Why bring it up? - because it's a standard practice.

Here is s news flash for you - your President has the full authority to decide classification levels. Just like Obama when he was in office. Both used the server.

Now, if it was a private server in his basement, that would be a different issue.

Non story and another Democrat dead end.

www.govinfo.gov...

PART 1—ORIGINAL CLASSIFICATION
Section 1.1. Classification Standards. (a) Information may be originally classified under the terms of this order only if all of the following conditions are met:
(1) an original classification authority is classifying the information; (my note : that would be your President)
(2) the information is owned by, produced by or for, or is under the control of the United States Government;
(3) the information falls within one or more of the categories of information listed in section 1.4 of this order; and
(4) the original classification authority determines that the unauthorized disclosure of the information reasonably could be expected to result in damage to the national security, which includes defense against transnational terrorism, and the original classification authority is able to identify or describe the damage.
(b) If there is significant doubt about the need to classify information, it shall not be classified. This provision does not:
(1) amplify or modify the substantive criteria or procedures for classification; or
(2) create any substantive or procedural rights subject to judicial review.
(c) Classified information shall not be declassified automatically as a result of any unauthorized disclosure of identical or similar information.
(d) The unauthorized disclosure of foreign government information is presumed to cause damage to the national security.

From Section 1.4
(b) foreign government information;
(c) intelligence activities (including covert action), intelligence sources
or methods, or cryptology;
(d) foreign relations or foreign activities of the United States, including
confidential sources;

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: olaru12

Got it... your team does it that's fine... other team does it BURN THE WITCH...

My team? Libertarians? I voted for my friend and former employer Gov. Gary J.

I left the GOP in 2000

Just another Progressive hiding behind a different name.

originally posted by: rnaa
The process is meant for genuine classified content though - for instance, Obama might have talked to the UK Prime Minister about the Bin Laden hit and may have discussed intelligence sources that would be compromised if it were to be made public.

There is no way that Trump's call approaches that criteria - there is no national security risk there - only personal legal risk. The only possible excuse is to hide it, and it is an illegal abuse of the system.

You say that as if it is a fact that Trump is dirty and actually did what he is accused of without any evidence whatsoever to support it.

What if, his calls are dealing with top secret investigations of high-level corruption of the former administration, and needs to be kept secret until the indictments and prosecutions commence?

a reply to: IAMTAT

Your OP headline and OP are false

No where in the OP source does Susan Rice say they used the Top Secret Server to hide call transcripts.

The Top Secret Server she explains was only used for genuinely highly classified material.

That is what it is there for. Not embarrassing or incriminating calls with foreign leaders.

Strange that you are allowed to so blatantly lie on ATS.

originally posted by: Extorris
a reply to: IAMTAT

Your OP headline and OP are false

No where in the OP source does Susan Rice say they used the Top Secret Server to hide call transcripts.

The Top Secret Server she explains was only used for genuinely highly classified material.

That is what it is there for. Not embarrassing or incriminating calls with foreign leaders.

Strange that you are allowed to so blatantly lie on ATS.

excuse me, what qualifications do you have dealing with classified material?

Can you explain Your personal expirence with any classified material??

Do you know any of the laws concerning classifed material?

Do you know the correct procedures for declassifying material?

Do you know how clasified material is handled?

guess what. ALL of those things were my Job in the USMC

You have NO CLUE what you are even speaking about.


To be succinct, You are so wrong it's not even humorus..

truly, you look stupid, please stop.

a reply to: thedigirati

Apparently you did not serve in a capacity that afforded you to learn the difference between SCI and classified?

Hint, SCI is not in itself a classification, but is applied to classified material. It is sometimes commonly referred to as "Above Top Secret"

Special Compartmentalized Information is "Compartmentalized" and thus restricted from access from people that otherwise have legitimate security clearance.

Presidential conversations with foreign leaders are classified, but not super sensitive SCI, so that invested stake-holders, State Department, CIA, NSA etc can understand Presidential Policy with a foreign country.

Trump had this transcript which contained no classified material and apparently others with Saudi Arabia and Russia moved to the unusual SCI server for super sensitive information.

If you look at the document released it has “SECRET//ORCON/NOFORN” at the top. Which clearly shows it had no reason to to place it in the ultrasensitive restricted access system.

If you were USMC Recon as claimed you would know the same.

a reply to: Extorris

recon? what the heck does "recon" have to do with anything? recon means Reconnaissance, that is intel gathering, not storing the intel that has been gathered.

the SCIF was my office, thanks.

You know there is NOTHING above Top Secret, there are just different classification of Top Secret

Noforn means "no foreign release" meaning only for US offcials.

a NOFORN can be the generals wives coffe clutch next thursday

Or it could be personal information about a foreign head of state

Both can hold the same classification, but may be accessed differently.

My job was to present the information contained in the scif

or did you think it just transported there magically?

whom do you think looks up this stuff?

Guess how this stuff is tracked.

through the Julian date time.

A method whenre each of the days of the year are changed to a number (001-365(6) days of the year.
each day is broken down to 01-24 hours, each hour minutes each minute seconds

so for example 2751330:30 would be a message for 1:30:30 PM on todays date.

that doesn't even include classification, that is just "ref X message".

SO yeah, how do YOU keep track of thousands of messages a day?

a reply to: LordAhriman

If the truth was ever allowed to come to light, obumas entire administration would be proven illegitimate and as a coup.

a reply to: ADVISOR

well most everything that obama tried to build, President Trump has taken down.

Some was good but most was bad.

thank goodness for DJT.

funny how when border kids died under Obama no one was screaming in the streets, as if they didn't care............

a reply to: hyperlexic

It's probably all deleted. You know everyone has a piece of that 150 billion dollar pie, so it would be in the best interest of the intelligence agencies to not release them. The only problem is Trump is not breaking them off with the doe so they are trying to take him out so they can start making the big dollar. That's also why a lot of reps are resigning because there are no quid pro quo to be made with Trump in charge. YOu can't make money not selling out the country. Trump is too America First in all his deals.

Obama Used SAME Top Secret Server To "Hide" Calls With Heads Of State-*Snip

That means Obama PERSONALLY could have orchestrated Steele and the Clinton campaign.

Where's that outrage too.

B-bbbut Obama did.... and he did.....Whataboutism at its finest. Ridiculous.

a reply to: YungPo

Exactly! no one is saying crimes done in the Obama administration were ok if in fact true but Trump supporters like to play the childish "I know you are but what am I" card.

#cultofpersonality #stockholmsyndrome

a reply to: conspiracy nut

yes no one is say it was OK for Obama to break the law, it's that no one is looking into it either cause thats "Raysist"

so you wont even look

a reply to: thedigirati

Trump is president right now, why do Trump supporters keep trying to switch the focus? If Trump did the same stuff Obama did that either makes them both guilty or both innocent, well which is it? Too late to impeach Obama but if jail time is possible by all means lock them both up.

originally posted by: conspiracy nut
a reply to: thedigirati

Trump is president right now, why do Trump supporters keep trying to switch the focus? If Trump did the same stuff Obama did that either makes them both guilty or both innocent, well which is it? Too late to impeach Obama but if jail time is possible by all means lock them both up.

Actually, Obama can still be impeached. Jimmy Carter can still be impeached even.

If Obama did this, and no one batted an eye, does that then set the precedent that this is OK for a president to do? Which is why we bring it up. Its either OK, or not OK, in which point the people saying its not OK need to show us this isn't just politically motivated, by only pointing out when someone they don't like has done it. Because, as I said, Obama can still be impeached.

originally posted by: YungPo
B-bbbut Obama did.... and he did.....Whataboutism at its finest. Ridiculous.

That would be crying about Russia for the last three years only to turn around and cry about Ukraine because the Russia LIE fell apart.

That's some epic GD whataboutism( which is Russian propaganda btw).