Was Pearl Harbor a False Flag?

a reply to: eManym

Also, there were American troops (volunteers) in China fighting against Japan.

When FDR was running for re-election against Landon, the race was looking close. Landon was firmly against the US entering WW2, and that sentiment was echoed by many Americans who remembered WW1. Roosevelt publicly promised that the US would not enter the war unless it was attacked. With that promise, he easily defeated Landon.

After he won the election, Roosevelt started doing things to get the US attacked. Churchill desperately needed the US to enter the war. Roosevelt sent arms and machinery to Britain, and Germany publicly stated that such shipments would be subject to attack. But Germany never took the bait, wanting to avoid US entry at least until Britain was defeated.

Meanwhile, the US was also concerned about Japanese expansion in the Pacific. In addition to the Flying TIgers in China, the US set about limiting the availability of critical raw materials like oil and rubber to the Japanese. The Japanese Empire saw this as a slow war of attrition. They mobilized their fleet and arranged to have war declared just before they attacked Pearl Harbor. For whatever reason, the attack occurred before the officially recognized declaration of war.

This gave Roosevelt the opportunity to call Pearl Harbor a sneak attack and rally public support to declare war against Japan. According to the Tripartite Pact signed by Germany, Italy, and Japan, the other Axis powers were treaty bound to then declare war on the US. Once the US joined the Allies, it was determined that the US would put the bulk of their war efforts into defending Britain and attacking Germany, while the war in the Pacific would consist of a slower island hopping and containment strategy.

Make of that what you will.

originally posted by: eManym
In 1937 the Japanese empire began the invasion of China. By 1941, the USA under Roosevelt seized all Japanese assets in the US and placed an embargo on their oil supply. Some months later the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor in retaliation. The oil embargo greatly interfered with the Japanese expansion into China.

There was no false flag but I am sure the US administration at that time expected something.

More to the point, if the US had done nothing and not imposed sanctions after the rape of Nanking and resettlement of Korea, these "enlightened" historians would then say we sat on our hands and did nothing to help and profited off oil and steel sales building the war machine with which Japan brutalized it's poor neighbors.

You cannot win with the "they placed sanctions on the Japanese and left them no choice but to attack us" crowd.

originally posted by: kwakakev
a reply to: schuyler

And thus, there goes your credibility.

My credibility went the moment I joined this site.

Link

Bombs, Nalpam, Nukes, lots of stories around.

So , you learn history from questionable websites ?

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: kwakakev
a reply to: schuyler

And thus, there goes your credibility.

My credibility went the moment I joined this site.

Link

Bombs, Nalpam, Nukes, lots of stories around.

So , you learn history from questionable websites ?

Any more questionable than ATS?

a reply to: kwakakev

That's what cities made of paper and wood look like when you fire bomb them.

a reply to: Gothmog

No, it is just getting harder to dig for stuff. I am sure there are more images of Osaka after the event somewhere to make a clearer determination.

originally posted by: kwakakev

My credibility went the moment I joined this site.

Link

Bombs, Nalpam, Nukes, lots of stories around.

Mentioning the A-bombs the other day reminded me that we often forgotten just how much regular bombing was alreadygoing on. By mid-1945, hundreds of American bombers were pummeling Japan on a daily basis and the warlords showed no inclination to surrender.

From your own link, he never says it was a-bombed

We covered this topic in my Modern Warfare college course. General consensus was they simply caught the US off guard. It was a bold move and a suicide mission that ultimately failed. It mainly failed because they missed some of the main ships, one of which was an aircraft carrier. Missing the carrier was a costly mistake and they paid for it in full.

a reply to: Malisa

From your own link, he never says it was a-bombed

I know, neither does anyone else here. I referenced the link to show it was from Osaka in 1945.

a reply to: tulsi

Yes and No . It's Complicated .

a reply to: tulsi

I believe it was, in the sense that they let it happen.
Its a known tactic from the USA, to use false flags to justify their war of terror ...eh i mean the war against terror...

The winner writes the history, and the USA came out of that war on top. There is a lot of lies told about that war, we still teach our kids to this day, and that is kind of sad, when we at the same time tell them we live in a "free" world... But hey, iam just glad i dont have to speak German

It was a surprise suicide mission. There is not much defense for a suicide mission. Even if we were prepared they still would have inflicted a lot of damage. It was also a holiday. So suicide mission, holiday, people off duty. It was the perfect time to attack. It failed though because they missed important ships out at sea like the carrier. All the Japanese did was awake the sleeping giant. It was a stupid attack that had no chance of doing anything but pissing the giant off. They pissed the giant off then got nuked. Game Over.

a reply to: FlyinHeadlock

The bigger mistake was calling off the third wave. They were supposed to hit the fuel and oil supplies, but by then the defenses were manned and ready. Leaving those intact ensured we'd be able to fight back quicker.

originally posted by: FlyinHeadlock
It mainly failed because they missed some of the main ships, one of which was an aircraft carrier. Missing the carrier was a costly mistake and they paid for it in full.

There were two carries stationed at Pearl that were at sea when the attack occurred. Also, as pointed earlier, the United States plan for confronting the Japanese no longer revolved around a single and decisive large scale surface fleet battle where the Japanese felt they had the advantage.

originally posted by: kwakakev
a reply to: schuyler

And thus, there goes your credibility.

My credibility went the moment I joined this site.

Bombs, Nalpam, Nukes, lots of stories around.

But Osaka getting nuked isn't one of them. Presenting fantasy as reality is what destroyed your credibility--not visiting ATS. If you want to see something fiirebombed into oblivion look up Frankfurt, Germany. Civilian casualties were greater than in Hiroshima.

originally posted by: tulsi


Had never til now heard about US sanctioning Japan (like now doing with Iran) then engaging in radio communications, interceptions, and pacific provocation since 1940 to panic Japan into taking preemptive action before invasion, and so to justify interning Japanese-Americans in concentration camps while invading Japan, establishing strategic bases and takeover of some of its territories (to this day, US holds Japan hostage with bases, prohibiting it from having armed forces of its own indefinitely).

Totally agree that Japan was strangled / sanctioned into its downfall by the west, just like they did with the USSR, Iraq, etc etc and as you state today with Iran. It's one devious tactic to achieve domination over another people but it works so well................ If you surround any animal, hold it down and try to suffocate it at some point it will have to strike out to save itself right?

a reply to: NoFearsEqualsFreeMan
The U.S. did need "something" to happen, to get public support in joining the war. I don't think they envisioned the scale of events at Pearl though.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Sure

But it's not like Japan was just minding it's own business, the animal was rabid, and not content in it's own yard. It was roaming the neighbourhood killing everything.

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: NoFearsEqualsFreeMan
The U.S. did need "something" to happen, to get public support in joining the war. I don't think they envisioned the scale of events at Pearl though.

We were already engaged in acts of war in the Atlantic on behalf of Britain six months before Pearl was attacked. It was only a matter of time before an incident there sparked something.

They didn't need Japan to do something, though all indications were that Japan was prepared to go on the offense.

a reply to: tulsi

Well, almost everything is a false flag to justify something,

In this case, maybe they wanted to see how practical nukes are, and what the yield is.