Climate-Change Science - - Whom to trust ?

a reply to: Nothin

When it comes to science it's best to trust the majority consensus.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: turbonium1

They used to call it 'global warming' all the time, but when we saw it was colder, or the same as before, they changed it to 'climate change', to cover their lying asses.

Actually, both terms have been and are still being used.

It works like this; global warming leads to climate change. They are two different but related things.

Neither one means that no place will never be cold.

Neither one is true, either.

Earth is no warmer or cooler than it always has been, than it always will be in future.

Look at historical data for proof of that fact, it's the same today, as it was centuries ago.

There is no 'normal' climate for Earth, at one time, at one place, forever and ever.

Seasons can be called 'climate change', too!


It's true that emissions pollute the air, which will then dissipate in time, but if more emissions come out, the air is constantly polluted in this area causing it, over and over again.


It doesn't cause global warming or climate change, however often they keep claiming it does.

The historical record proves they are wrong, not anyone saying so, either.

a reply to: turbonium1

There is no 'normal' climate for Earth, at one time, at one place, forever and ever.

That's true. But the rate at which climates change can have drastic effects on people and other living things. The planet is warming very rapidly and rising CO2 concentrations seem to be the main reason. The Sun isn't getting hotter. The Earth isn't moving closer to the Sun. The Earth's tilt isn't changing.

Seasons can be called 'climate change', too!

Only if you want to make up your own definitions for words.

The historical record proves they are wrong

No it doesn't.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: turbonium1

There is no 'normal' climate for Earth, at one time, at one place, forever and ever.

That's true. But the rate at which climates change can have drastic effects on people and other living things. The planet is warming very rapidly and rising CO2 concentrations seem to be the main reason. The Sun isn't getting hotter. The Earth isn't moving closer to the Sun. The Earth's tilt isn't changing.

Seasons can be called 'climate change', too!

Only if you want to make up your own definitions for words.

The historical record proves they are wrong

No it doesn't.

Yes it does. Temperature records don't lie, they are real measurements of Earth temperatures over centuries.

Nothing proves the Earth is getting warmer, the records prove they are unchanged over centuries of measurements.

Saying it's getting warmer is worthless blathering. Proof is all that matters here.

a reply to: turbonium1

Nothing proves the Earth is getting warmer, the records prove they are unchanged over centuries of measurements.

Say what?

Saying it's getting warmer is worthless blathering. Proof is all that matters here.

I'm afraid your standard of proof will never be met. Whether it's global warming, the shape of the Earth, or the existence of gravity.

Actual records of temperatures are proof of this, what about you then? Any real measurements of Earth 'warming up', or just you repeatedly saying it is happening?

Evidence doesn't work like that, so you know.

a reply to: turbonium1

Actual records of temperatures are proof of this, what about you then? Any real measurements of Earth 'warming up', or just you repeatedly saying it is happening?

Yes. Actual records. Records showing the temperature change in the past (both warming and cooling) and records of warming now. But it's changing really fast now, compared to what it did in the past.

But you say it doesn't change. That's fine. I won't ask for "proof."

the records prove they are unchanged over centuries of measurements.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: turbonium1

Actual records of temperatures are proof of this, what about you then? Any real measurements of Earth 'warming up', or just you repeatedly saying it is happening?

Yes. Actual records. Records showing the temperature change in the past (both warming and cooling) and records of warming now. But it's changing really fast now, compared to what it did in the past.

But you say it doesn't change. That's fine. I won't ask for "proof."

the records prove they are unchanged over centuries of measurements.

Climate is always changing, always has, always will, it is normal.

What is your proof it is changing faster than normal? Anything at all besides your belief in it?


Actual temperatures prove you wrong.

The area I live in hasn't changed 'faster', at all, so what are you spewing about here?

a reply to: turbonium1

What is your proof it is changing faster than normal? Anything at all besides your belief in it?

None that would meet your standards, as I said. I can't even prove to you that the world is round. This is more subtle than that.

The area I live in hasn't changed 'faster', at all, so what are you spewing about here?

Right. But we're talking about the average global temperature and pretty small changes in temperature. But because those changes involve the entire atmosphere, they represent a lot of heat.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: turbonium1

What is your proof it is changing faster than normal? Anything at all besides your belief in it?

None that would meet your standards, as I said. I can't even prove to you that the world is round. This is more subtle than that.

The area I live in hasn't changed 'faster', at all, so what are you spewing about here?

Right. But we're talking about the average global temperature and pretty small changes in temperature. But because those changes involve the entire atmosphere, they represent a lot of heat.

There's no proof, as usual.

It's you saying the Earth is getting warmer, but it's really about the 'whole' Earth getting warmer, including the atmosphere, No proof of it, of course.


If we accumulated the temperatures measured on the entire Earth, it would be normal. Same as always. Nothing different. A 'faster' change is nonsense.

What, exactly, are you measuring for this argument? Nothing, right?

What is measured is called proof. Nothing else matters but proof. It's all talk from your side, in fact.

a reply to: Nothin


Always going to happen! Just like we still have experts and people who believe HIV does not cause AIDS, even though the evidence tells us otherwise!

All you can do is look at the evidence presented.

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: Nothin

We certainly do not trust the Republicans representing Big Oil interests with the most at stake to lose!!!

But you trust Democrats and other leftist who see climate hysteria as a way to push globalism and taxes. Have you ever asked yourself why every solution is always higher taxes?

Many of these scientists only parrot climate hysteria because their ability to get grants, publish, etc depends on it. They know their careers would go no where if they challenge the cause du jour even if they think it is bullsh*t.

Its you who's talking about higher taxes, all that member said was you can't trust big oil representatives .

a reply to: turbonium1

So are you saying there is absolutly no evidence that we are causing climate change? No evidence at all?

a reply to: Nothin

@Climate-Change Science - - Whom to trust ?

Follow/trust your instincts.

Personally I feel yes the climate has changed and does change naturally over periods or cycles.

It HAS to be acknowledged however that artificial strip mining and resource removal of natural resources that normally would not be dug up refined then used for energy and the waste or trash produced from said artificial products does have a negative effect on the planet.

These negative effects are associated with the refining processes of natural resources which burn and release sediment or pollution into the air environment.
Also the natural resources waste removal and storage of toxic nuclear waste can and will have effects on under ground streams and oceans where regulations are not upkept and so waste dumped directly into the liquid environment such as Oceans, Lakes-Ponds, Rivers which can begin to effect weather patterns if enough mixes into the oceans altering oceanic temperatures...

Current physical effects that may cause enhanced climate and or land changes in the future.

Internal voids caused from over fracking, mining and petroleum removal.
Warmer polluted air and seas from air and sea pollution and waste/trash incineration and dumping. Think how the plastic islands in the oceans carry varying temperatures.

Toxic waste containment and dump areas.
= Environment altered unnaturally as of now...?
It is logical to consider weather pattern changes in the future if these current ways of managing resources are not better cared for.

originally posted by: Jay-morris
a reply to: turbonium1

So are you saying there is absolutly no evidence that we are causing climate change? No evidence at all?

It is really hard to convince someone of global warming when they think the earth is flat and gravity doesn't exist.

originally posted by: Grimpachi

originally posted by: Jay-morris
a reply to: turbonium1

So are you saying there is absolutly no evidence that we are causing climate change? No evidence at all?

It is really hard to convince someone of global warming when they think the earth is flat and gravity doesn't exist.

Be is a flat earther? Oh, ok.

If ANY computer modelling is involved, it's 99.99% likely flawed if not intentionally designed for a particular result. I can program a spreadsheet like Excel to play "Mary Had a Little Lamb".

originally posted by: Jay-morris
a reply to: turbonium1

So are you saying there is absolutly no evidence that we are causing climate change? No evidence at all?

Actual science has measured that the entire race of Man is responsible for .0038% of the earth's atmosphere with regards to CO2. The world's termite population, about about .04%.

originally posted by: tkwasny

originally posted by: Jay-morris
a reply to: turbonium1

So are you saying there is absolutly no evidence that we are causing climate change? No evidence at all?

Actual science has measured that the entire race of Man is responsible for .0038% of the earth's atmosphere with regards to CO2. The world's termite population, about about .04%.

You have links for that?

originally posted by: manuelram16
a reply to: Nothin

Some people like to read/learn both sides of the story, then use their judgement to make up their mind...

Hi MR-16.
Seems sensible.
Where are you on that process ?
Made-up your mind yet ?