Full Release of Whistle Blower and IG letter.

I am seriously confused.... The House is starting an official Impeachment Inquiry based off of a whistleblower complaint of a phone call? But we have the "transcript" of said phone call and a statement of the Ukrainian leader stating that the whistleblower complaint is incorrect. WTH is happening in the world?! People are dumb

a reply to: underwerks

I didn't know the President of Ukraine was an expert on U.S. law concerning the President. You learn something every day.

Just quoting this as an example to others of how to completely miss a point and look like an utter fool.

TheRedneck

a reply to: neutronflux

Did the “whistle blower” provide any documents?

Actually, he did provide an appendix to his complaint, but it is classified TOP SECRET and thus heavily redacted.

TheRedneck

a reply to: SammyB0476
that is a pretty accurate summary

I do not think the whistleblower or the dems realized the president of the ukraine would be here to answer questions

originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: CriticalStinker

I don't think this was the smartest or most ethical play.

imo this is off the charts
to use this as any kind of justification for impeachment is unforgivable

all those pushing this garbage need to be held accountable
this is the worst kind of trash

I don't think impeachment should be on the table, and I certainly think it's a dumb move on the left's part. They know it won't pass the senate, so they're wasting their time while they should be doing the work of the people. So their justification is likely political, which is still counterproductive because any votes they'd gain from this act they'd lose a comparable amount.

Now to Trump. Should he start a domestic investigation based off of this, IMO, he's playing by similar tactics as were used against him, so his victim card gets taken from him in my book.

If he just uses it to bury Biden's campaign, it was a risky move that paid off, and while I don't morally agree with it... It's not the worse thing to happen as of recent years.

If the allegations against Biden are true, then he has committed extortion, obstruction of justice, and has accepted millions of dollars of bribe money from various foreign nations.

Is it really unethical to expose this? The fact that Biden is (rather, use to be) the front runner does not somehow exempt him from scrutiny.

I have no quarrels with anyone being investigated and found guilty. And I'll go ahead and throw my bias out before I continue. If Biden becomes the dem candidate, he is Hillary 2.0, and I'll vote Trump as protest. If he does not get the ticket, I'll likely be voting independent or third party.

That said, it's not the presidents job to start investigations, that is the AG and DOJ. As I said, if Trump uses this for campaign footing, I don't see a problem. If he starts an investigation, than he is no better than the DNC was in 16'... But I still wouldn't see it as impeachable if the left is OK with out 16' played out.

Fair is fair.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
I might remind all of you folks who think 2nd hand knowledge is so inadequate, the President of the United States is brief everyday by people who have 2nd hand knowledge of the information they're presenting, and POTUS makes his all his policy and strategic decisions based on 2nd, 3rd and 4th hand knowledge.

Sure he does...

But I guarantee you he would not make an affirmative decision to take some substantive action - ie, attack some foreign nation - unless he had a lot of direct, corroborating evidence, and that it all lined up, with nothing contrary.

Still no mention about the actual reason for the call, collusion regarding Hunter Bidens business dealings in Ukraine that was assisted by his VP father... you know, actual collusion and quid pro quo?

OR that the VP then obstructed justice by having the lead prosecutor fired.

This is a witch hunt, not an expedition for the facts.

Be warned, America is watching and WE ARE PISSED.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
"It has already been reported that he is not a member of the IC."

That's not true.

"The whistleblower works in the US intelligence community..."

'Works in the IC' is not the same as being a 'member of the IC'. This could be a secretary, an I.T. person, heck it could be the mailperson who delivers the mail to everyone inside one of their many buildings.

a reply to: XCrycek

I'm tired of this BS about Trump saying he could shoot someone and not lose any of his supporters. Trump was quoting an article saying that. The media keeps repeating that BS. They conveniently take things out of context to push their narrative.

Well the House hearing is a big flop I see 😎

a reply to: tanstaafl
it appears they speak to a lot of "inside" people and have their confidence
you know for the "inside" people to confide this type of information
I wonder how long the whistle blower has been carrying around their holly hobby notebook and taking notes?

Lmao phony hysteria. Impeachment proceedings on I heard thru the grapevine.

Pathetic . I really hope people next year do not vote for a single Democrat. The house is actually getting nothing done. We are wasting our tax money on this bullcrap. Oh ya folks WE are paying for the crap show.. paying these politicians paying the electric bill paying the water bill so they can flush their bullcrap down the toilets in all these government buildings. Dunno about you folks but I am getting tired of paying these idiots to make us look like idiots and not get any damn work done.. 🤦‍♂️ whistle blower saying I heard... enables a impeachment fiasco... Well done..

originally posted by: xuenchen
Well the House hearing is a big flop I see 😎

poor planning and poor execution
what did you expect?
especially when the president of Ukraine peed on their campfire yesterday?

it does appear however that trump had his ducks in a row
that part, to me is interesting

We need to study the possibilities that the ICIG Office may be infiltrated and compromised.

That office was formed in Oct 2010.

There was no ICIG prior to that time !!!!

This WB "Complaint" may be a test run to clean out the darkhats 😎

Hmmm 😎

Now the DNI will be in a closed Senate Committee hearing 😎

originally posted by: xuenchen
Well the House hearing is a big flop I see 😎

The dems get to own Adam Schiffs performance.
Cause now we know they think impeachment is a joke

Just finishing up watching the Intel testimony and Shifty Schiff is grasping at straws.. trying to get Maguire to say things that will help them.. and even when he makes a statement he is trying to twist it.. and failing.. just once I would like to see these peeps giving testimony just go off... and say what they want to..

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: xuenchen
Well the House hearing is a big flop I see 😎

The dems get to own Adam Schiffs performance.
Cause now we know they think impeachment is a joke

The Democrat Party HATES the United States of America and everything it was founded on. The Democrat Party HATES Freedom and Liberty!

They have tossed away our rule of law by demeaning our SCOTUS, they are trying to do away with the Electoral College, they are so religiously zealot that they are even as we speak destroying the very foundation of everything this country was founded on. They tried a few years ago to push how the Constitution, the VERY document our government is SUPPOSED to follow and that they ALL take an Oath to serve is outdated, based on slavery and the list goes on.

Think I am exaggerating? Listen to the Democrat candidates speak of how horrible this country is. Go to any Marxist run college campus and listen to the hate for the country that gives them the freedom and liberty that they take for granted.


These are toddler brained adults who need diciplined soon or everything this country stands for will be destroyed.

a reply to: seeker1963

No. They just hate Trump. So much so that they have abandoned any action that would support their campaigns and platforms (like gun control, etc) in favor of a crackhead approach to impeaching Trump.

originally posted by: Stealu1two
Just finishing up watching the Intel testimony and Shifty Schiff is grasping at straws.. trying to get Maguire to say things that will help them.. and even when he makes a statement he is trying to twist it.. and failing.. just once I would like to see these peeps giving testimony just go off... and say what they want to..

Schiff already at at least 1 dozen lies.

3 dozen assumptions about Trump.

Bashing the DOJ.

Sick-0 😎

Schiff is lying -- all over his face.

This is desperate and sad.