Transcript released - WH - No quid pro quo

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Rudy Guiliani was on Fox last night with communications between him and the State Department, wherein the State Department asked him to assist them with investigations into Ukranian matters. That's pretty compelling evidence.

Of course, that was on Fox, so you are required to dispute it. Also, it came from Guiliani, so you have to dispute it based on that as well. Sorry, but I will not watch CNN... the last time I tried to, I came perilously close to having an aneurysm while gouging my eyes out. Not something I want to repeat.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: burntheships
John Durham is investigating The Ukraine issue,
it was brought up recently.

So yes, actually Rudy was asked by The State Department
to investigate, and the DOJ is investigating.

That's a big problem right there. Rudy Giuliani is the President's personal lawyer. He has no business working with the State Department to garner information aimed help Trump politcally in 2020.

a reply to: Sookiechacha
is it a "big problem"?
how so exactly?

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

That's a big problem right there. Rudy Giuliani is the President's personal lawyer. He has no business working with the State Department to garner information aimed help Trump politcally in 2020.

Sorry, this was concerning a previous election, 2016.

Why would John Durham DOJ be investigating it?

Trump's campaign should have hired a lawyer and paid him with millions disclosed as "legal services" in his FEC disclosures, then funneled that money to another group who would hire foreign intelligence agents to talk to and pay Russian and Ukrainian intelligence assets to get unsubstantiated dirt which he could then leak to a friendly media person and bring this report (let's dress it up and call it a dossier) from the foreign intelligence assets to Congress people and others who would bring it to the DOJ to start an inves and use the intelligence gathering capabilities to spy on his political enemies and paralyze them with faux scandal after faux scandal.


Everyone knows that's the right way to do these things.

a reply to: burntheships

I thought Duram was investigating the origins of the Mueller report and 2016 election interference.

What does Hunter Biden have to do with that? Why would Trump have to ask President Valenski to investigate Joe and Hunter Biden, if Duran was already doing it? Why send in Giuliani, Trump's personal lawyer, since Durham's investigation is state sanctioned and capable, if it wasn't about Trump's 2020 campaign.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Oh, he is. But he is also investigating Ukraine's involvement.

Surprise!

a reply to: burntheships

So, what's up with Trump asking Valenky to work with Rudy?

a reply to: Sookiechacha

I thought Duram was investigating the origins of the Mueller report and 2016 election interference.

He is. Supposedly Ukraine has some information they wish to share on that, but the previous FBI ignored them.

What does Hunter Biden have to do with that? Why would Trump have to ask President Valenski to investigate Joe and Hunter Biden, if Duran was already doing it? Why send in Giuliani, Trump's personal lawyer, since Durham's investigation is state sanctioned and capable, if it wasn't about Trump's 2020 campaign.

Investigation of one thing does not preclude investigation into related activities; Mueller taught us that. What did Michael Flynn lying about about an issue that occurred long before the 2016 election have to do with the 2016 election?

Guiliani was apparently contacted by Ukraine after being ignored by Obama's FBI. As such, he has a relationship with them and is acting as a go-between in the investigation under full watch of the State Department.

One does not give up their ability to perform one task when they take on another one. Guiliani did not ask to be contacted, but he explained he was happy to help in the investigation. This is in addition to his activities as Trump's personal lawyer.

TheRedneck

a reply to: Extorris




Man, he must *really* feel threatened...

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: burntheships

So, what's up with Trump asking Valenky to work with Rudy?

Well, if The State Department who is headed by Mike Pompeo from KANSAS
is directing Rudy to help, Trump would obviously be aware right?

And Durham is already involved, and has talked to several people
from Ukraine in his investigation.

This is all legit, it is only the Democrats who are trying to spin
it around and make it seem wrong.

a reply to: TheRedneck

What did Michael Flynn lying about about an issue that occurred long before the 2016 election have to do with the 2016 election?

Mike Flynn's crimes are not comparable to Hunter Biden sitting on a gas company board and making money you don't think he deserves.

Guiliani was apparently contacted by Ukraine after being ignored by Obama's FBI.

Why would a nation contact the president's personal attorney, if they weren't referred to him in the first place?

One does not give up their ability to perform one task when they take on another one.

One cannot be a government agent and the personally attorney for the President of the United States and the same time.

Guiliani did not ask to be contacted,

LOL...Yeah sure!

a reply to: burntheships

Well, if The State Department who is headed by Mike Pompeo from KANSAS
is directing Rudy to help, Trump would obviously be aware right?

Well, that would be highly unethical, if not illegal. The State Department isn't Trump's extended legal team.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

I think you fail to understand that the DOJ is investigating
the matter, and that is their job.

What about that is unethical, exactly?

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: burntheships

Well, if The State Department who is headed by Mike Pompeo from KANSAS
is directing Rudy to help, Trump would obviously be aware right?

Well, that would be highly unethical, if not illegal. The State Department isn't Trump's extended legal team.

Technically, it is 😎

Especially when International diplomacy is involved 😎

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Mike Flynn's crimes are not comparable to Hunter Biden sitting on a gas company board and making money you don't think he deserves.

You're absolutely right. Using political influence to allow a direct family member to prosper at the disadvantage of a foreign nation is much more serious than lying to the FBI. For once we agree.

Why would a nation contact the president's personal attorney, if they weren't referred to him in the first place?

You'll have to ask Ukraine.

I know that Guiliani was active in the Trump campaign and has been a longtime friend of Donald Trump. Maybe that had something to do with it? One does not simply check the phone book for the President's number so they can give him a shout, you know.

One cannot be a government agent and the personally attorney for the President of the United States and the same time.

Here we go again: title and statute please?

If you cannot provide one, yes he can.

TheRedneck

a reply to: Agit8dChop
this entire play is scripted, and both the Democrats and POTUS as well as Sec. of State (likely the director of this entire charade) are just playing their part.

Usually when this kind of dramatics occupies the print, radio and television media there is much more actual serious foreign policy actions of consequence occurring in parallel in the shadows.

What are we being kept from seeing guys?? Perhaps a secret or exclusive meeting between elite to replace the UN?? Jacob Rothschild has been warning now for at least two years about the danger to the post WW2 world order.

a reply to: TheRedneck

If Trump didn't know what Rudy was up to, like he told Chris Cuomo, then he may be in violation of the Hatch Act and Foreign Corrupt Practices Act.

If the Trump knew and made arrangements for Rudy to obey Trump's orders through the State Department, then election and campaign finance laws were violated, at the very least. And, because of the Mueller report, we already know it's illegal to enlist the help of foreign governments or nationals in US elections and campaigns.

And, if you feel so strongly about Hunter Biden, we should also take a hard look at that $1 billion Jared Kushner got from middle east financiers for his 666 property, and all those trademarks Ivanka got from China, not to mention the $100 million from Saudi Arabia for her "woman's work fund" , while in the meantime, Don Jr and Eric were working on a $500 million resort deal with China in Malaysia and jet setting all around the world, on the tax payer dime, to influence peddle the Trump brand.

The DOJ already determined there was no violation of campaign finance laws. Can you give your crackerjacks box legal degree a rest? Lol

a reply to: RadioRobert

The DOJ already determined there was no violation of campaign finance laws.

When was that? You mean when Bill Barr's DOJ refused to prosecute the whistle blower's complaint? The complaint that names Bill Barr?